Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Every cell in me urges me not to follow phantom's directions. I'm not always bad at taking orders, but I'm bad at taking orders from haughty people who behave all too self-consciously and annoy me and whom I'm not sure if I can trust. *le sigh* I mean, I think I can trust tp but I'm not sure, this game is looking more and more complicated...

On the other hand, I was planning to do such a summary toDay anyway, just to force myself to think about some people I have so stupidly let fly under my radar. And I can't think of any harm that doing it would bring. So, phantom, know this: when (if?) I do the summary, I'm doing it because I planned to do so, not because you requested it. Period.

I also recommed others not to be as rebellious-spirited as I am. I think it's a very good idea to make everybody make a summary... we must just swallow our pride and let tp boss us around... (I can see how he enjoys the situation...)

Ha! That feeling sounds familiar Anyway, I am probably going to do some list too, but not now. Later. When I am fresh.

I can't say that Lommy's posts early toDay carry on with the generally rather unpleasant view on her, but whatever. Although I know others were not for example as definitely convinced about Rikae or such as I was (because I knew she was lying), I chose to trust phantom once and I still keep with it - at least for now. Then, if he were to be something sinister, I am sure it would show sooner or later.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

If you have directions from the GW, hand 'em over. Stop playing games with us. I notice that that's exactly what Rikae did yesterday. We know that Diamond trusted you, but we don't know that she knew your role. You could very well be the EW and Rikae is your wolf. I wouldn't put that kind of move past either of you. You can say that Di was trying to help you because she knew you, but all we have is your word on that. She may have simply been duped.

Hmm, I think it's too complicated a view. While it is "safe", I think still, too complicated. Even I don't come up with theories like that.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You said WE want to have fun with your daughter. Legate, you got some splaining to do.... *could have been a typo, I'd just like to know one way or another*

I said we are trying to have nice time with your daughter. By "we" I meant you and me. You+me=we. Clear, eh?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, as I said, I am leaving now (this time really). Good night and see you in some time after several hours.

[Rikae]

Why don't you just lynch me? I've been all but proven to be a wolf!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why don't you just lynch me? I've been all but proven to be a wolf!

Because you're just so gosh darn cute! *ruffles your fur*

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

A few quick things.

1) Don't vote yet. I have special lynching instructions that will be given to you later on today.

2) Completely ignore anything Rikae says.

3) Make a list of every villager and give your thoughts on them. The GW wishes to see everyone express opinions on everyone else.

That's all for now. I have to leave for a while but I'll be back with some more later tonight.

First off like some others here, I will not be so quick to put all my trust in phantom. Roa's right- just because Di sided with him doesn't necessarily mean he is what he says he is. I mentioned yesterDay I was afraid of falling into a trap, and I only feel stronger about this now. At this point in the game, I will not put my full trust into anyone until their role has been proven...which means, I can only really trust the dead.

That said, I don't plan to follow every word of tp's. Like these "special lynching instructions" he plans to give us...I'll leave who I want to lynch to my own judgement.

But two of his instructions do make perfect sense. Firstly, we shouldn't listen to anything Rikae says. She has now spoken and her attempts towards chaos obviously point towards evilness. I think it's more likely she is a wolf, but I still can't be sure about that. Secondly, I do agree all of us should post thoughts on everyone. Not just for the GW, but for ourselves. YesterDay we focused too much on the situation around us (and it really was insane), but if we don't look at everyone, people will slide under the radar...and then we'll be in danger.

EDIT: Haha, I see Rikae has changed her avatar to a wolf. Apparently, she loves to flaunt the fact that she's evil.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

EDIT: Haha, I see Rikae has changed her avatar to a wolf. Apparently, she loves to flaunt the fact that she's evil.

You've got that right! I'm quite pleased with myself - I rid the village of two nasty gifteds in one night, you know (and all I got was this lousy t-shirt).

[mormegil]

There is a remote possibility that nobody has really considered. I admit, it's a bit far fetched but at least we should open the possibility. Is there a chance that the phantom claimed himself as the hunter hoping to get the GW or a gifted out in the open. The plausibility is increased that he said he was the hunter, as he knew there would be one living. The downside is that the hunter is a relatively weak gifted that usually doesn't hit that mark. Now, I believe that this is not the case. However, there is the chance that the EW did convert that phantom to be an ordo yesterday...if this is the case I don't believe Rikae to be the EW as she picked this up and ran with it shortly after the idea was presented. I'm not convinced the ranger made a save either though as they are difficult to come by.

At least we should all wait for the phantom and see what he has to say. In my experience it is in our best interest to do so. He may have something very useful to say to us. I will get my list up hopefully soon.

[McCaber]

I would like to apologize for my stupendous lack of content yesterday. I wasn't able to get online, which is a pity, as posting from underneath a tornado would have been awesome.

But I see yesterday was interesting enough.

So: as I see it, tp is either telling the truth and got unheroed for his troubles, or one of the wizards.

Rikae: evil, probably. I do enjoy the wolf avvie, though. Takes me back a few games.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Rikae: evil, probably.

Probably? Do you have a reason to doubt she's evil?

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Probably? Do you have a reason to doubt she's evil?

Alright then, Rikae = evil. Is that bold enough for you?

[Rikae]

This is your friendly neighborhood evil wizard signing off. Good night, sleep tight, and don't let the hunters bite.

I will be back later with lynching instructions. Don't listen to me. Don't discuss my identity.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, here comes my summary...

A Little Green - A little shady case. I must admit she has quite totally slipped under my radar, but I'm not very alarmed. I'd like her to post more, but from what she posts, she looks quite innocent. The problem is that she'd make a nice scry for the EW - a smart girl keeping out of sight and suspicion...

Shastanis Althreduin - I love it how he posts so much and takes so actively part in the discussion. I feel pretty good about him. The problem is pretty much the same as with Greenie: he slightly slips under my radar and he too would make a nice non-original scry for the EW. I don't think his style has changed at any phase of the game, though, so I'm not worried. I'm not sure if I should be this much at ease with him, though.

Isabellkaya - She tends to talk sense, although she also tends to parrot other people's points. I have no clue about her role. Except that I'd not be surprised to find out that she is the wolf who was scried on Night2. I mean, on Day1 she pretty much convinced everybody she's making sense and seemed pretty innocent. Since then at least I have been getting less innocent vibes from her but as she too has quite slipped under my radar I have not paid it much attention. So, yes, I'd not be surprised if she is a wolf, but I would like to have a look at her posts before getting too vocal about my suspicion of her.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Mostly makes sense and is reasonable in an innocent way. I do not suspect him. I know I maybe should, though, as last time I played with him and he was a wolf he fooled me (and everybody else) completely.

Eönwë - He has talked very little and even less of substance, but I hesitate to judge him harshly because of that. He's been incredibly brave to take this as his first game. I don't really have much of an opinion about him, except that some EWs couldn't just resist cursing the poor innocent little ww noob.

Kath - What a sneak. She is always quite quiet (yet contributive) but she seldom slips under my radar like this. Also, she usually talks a bit more and reveals more of her personal opinions. I get the feeling that she's intentionally laying low and I'm wary of her. I would not be surprised if she was the EW. I would not be surprised either if she was a wolf. There's something wrong with her, I think, or then she's just really busy with RL...

Satansaloser2005 - I think she looks quite innocent. Yes, that's it.

Rikae - I'd be inclined to think that she's a wolf, but she could be the EW too. A very naughty person anyway. (Obviously.)

the phantom - The ultimate enigma. Could be anything. I'm inclined to trust him, but I dislike his attitude and don't want to follow his orders. I can't trust him although it would make little sense for him to act as he does if he was evil. If you can bith trust in someone and suspect him, that's the way I feel about tp.

Lhunardawen - A terribly sneaky gal. Has practically slipped under my radar like so many others. She seems innocentish to me, though. I doubt she was an original wolf (she has left such a strong impression of harmlesness), but she could have been cursed later and I could have ignored her suspiciousness because she had been so innocent before. Hmmm... maybe I should look at her posts more closely. Anyway, I'm not really worried about her, whether that's wise or not.

Durelin - I could very well see her as an original wolf but nothing this far has actually made me suspect her. Maybe she's innocent.

Roa_Aoife - The voice of reason and intelligent questioning. She's an incredibly charismatic personality, I find myself siding with her almost always in ww games. That's partly because I tend to think the same way with her if we're both innocent, though. I think I tend to trust her a little less when she's evil and now I've been quite strongly inclined to trust her, so maybe she's innocent? Horrible logic, I know. I should definitely pay her more attention and not be fooled by her reasonability and calm.

Brinniel - For all the game, she has been thinking very similarily as I have. Bizarrely, it makes me a little suspicious of her, although I'm in principle inclined to trust her. But I think I've been very like-minded with an innocent Brinn before and suspected her for no reason just because of that, so maybe I should just leave it be and believe that she's innocent because she seems like she is...

Legate of Amon Lanc - I'm inclined to think him innocent, although I'd like to repeat that Rikae's (or phantom's or Diamond's) behaviour doesn't prove it. The only thing I really have against him is that he keeps having silly reasons to suspect me.

Lalaith - Her actions yesterDay make me feel better about her, but I'm still not convinced. She thinks too much - and too naturally - like the EW and there's something wolfy in her as well.

Mormegil - Is playing in a rather disappointing way. I really hope he'd be more involved and reason his votes more, but I read his behaviour as a sign of ordoness. *sigh*

Celuien - Is a smart lady but distrubingly quiet. A real submarine and one of the few people I have absolutely no idea about. Please talk more, dear Celery.

Gwathagor - That vote of his was rather eyebrow-raising. He has, like so many other people, slipped under my radar and I find it hard to judge him. There's really no lack of evidence, it's more like that during the game he has said both very suspicious and very innocent-sounding things. One more person I should have a closer look at. Oh, and I didn't like the analysis he did yesterday, whatever it was about, I remember it contained all too few personal opinions.

McCaber - The ultimate submarine guy. I can understand that he may be busy, but I must admit his manner annoys me. He should talk more and reason both his votes and overall opinions more. He's almost participating so little that it would be unethical of the EW to curse him...


edit: xed with mormx2 & Rikae

[Rikae]

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

Crack. Head.








Let me get a complete player list, and I'll give you an opinion on everybody.

P.S. Can y'all call me Sally? I really don't mind, but I skip right over it when I see it and end up doing a double take. They call me Silly Sally for a reason. Really up to all y'all. Off to post!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAAAAAAAAAAIN!!

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Gwathagor - That vote of his was rather eyebrow-raising [...] Oh, and I didn't like the analysis he did yesterday, whatever it was about, I remember it contained all too few personal opinions.

The reason I voted for Rikae right off the bat was that yesterDay, as far as I was concerned, Rikae and Cailin were bad and we should lynch them both, one after the other. The GW would hardly scry over Rikae after she behaved like she did, and Rikae wouldn't be likely to pull a crazy stunt like pretending to be the GW if she was actually the EW. Rather, it's probable that she had orders from the EW to do what she did in order to try to flush out the GW. You will recall Cailin's reaction to Diamond18's "reveal" as the GW (which fooled me entirely): "We got the good wizard! We got the good wizard!" Evidently, that's what they were going for.

And regarding my analysis, Finnlomien, it was my first ever, and I'm sorry it wasn't up to your exacting standards.


I'm pretty sure Rikae is trying to make us think she's the EW, so that we won't vote for her because you can't kill a wizard.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I'm pretty sure Rikae is trying to make us think she's the EW, so that we won't vote for her because you can't kill a wizard.

I may be thinking in circles, but she could be counting on everyone assuming that.

Werewolf is a game where assumptions can kill you. Best avoid them and stick to what you can see. (ie. posts and voting)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Mormegil

Shastanis Althreduin--A bit too opinionated and not willing to listen to reason or at least give what the phantom says a shot. He seems to inclinced to distrust everybody

Would like to point out, Morm is putting words in my mouth - I never said I wasn't willing to "give what the phantom says a shot", I said I didn't like being ordered to. In fact I plan to do just that, for the reason Lommy already said; not because Phantom said to, but because I was going to today anyway.

But it'll be later, as I'm getting on a Greyhound in precisely 15 minutes and will be on said Greyhound for 12 hours. Yay roadtrips.