Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Wow, Nerwen, I'm seriosly not LOLing here, how can you just, like, say stuff, about ppl on the internet like that, it's really not cool and quite offensive, so seriosly, get off my case, y'know?!?

And it totally doesnt take a rocket scientist to see inside you're soul, because your posts are quite stupid so, like, get what I'm saying?!?!

UR ST00PID111!!! ROXCET SCEINTSTS DONT SEE INSIDE PPLS SOLES THEY MAKE ROKCETS!!!111 PWNED11111!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Nerwen, Mandos has told me, looks rather innocent.

u said i was listening to melko & now u say mandos says im inocent. who r they??? is melko a band? y did u change ur mind so qu1ckly???

Y doesnt any1 here talk abuot teh lord of teh rings??? i thought this was a fanclub ware we cud talk about our favrit chars!!!1~!1 mines legalos he is soooo hawt!111!!!

but evry1 just goes on & on abuot wierd stuff that isnt ev3n in teh movies!!!!1 i thnk sum of those ppl cud be sneaky warewolfs

[The Sixth Wizard]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Yes, yes, got carried away.

The correct grammar is I got carried away. If you use a fragment in the place of a sentence again I may have to hurt you.



Wow, Nerwen is making my brain hurt. I say we vote her because:

a) Reading that kind of text will be really annoying later in the game for everyone.

b) Nerwen knows this and if she really is a wolf and she survives, she will go under the radar later in the game. (I personally am NOT going to read that in a longer post than three lines, it hurts my head)

and

c) I've got nothing on anyone else.

[Mithalwen]

Good afternoon, Dr Mithalwen, here. Not so many..err .. case notes as there might be given the size of the therapy group but it is still early and I expect there will be a lot more going on later when I return after this afternoon's case load. Does mean at least I have been able to read through. My conclusions? Excellent humour but as I am sure we all know humour is often used as a facade to cover childhood trauma, insecurity, low self esteem maybe even hacker/lycanthropy?

Maybe we need a group therapy session - perhaps some people have things they would like to share? No?

I think one or two of us could benefit from one on one sessions.

Eomer is clearly an HSP which could result in anger management issues.

Nerwen is clearly profoundly dyslexic (I am too old to cope easily with chat speak - Shasta, I may need your help).

Then we have the battle of the egos - Formy, Noggin Boro and probably others.

Nilp and Durelin are well .... to use a layman's term, away with the fairies.

Enough material for an entire conference from half a village!!!.

But not a lot to go on for the task in hand - well I will be back in a few hours a will try to make a more significant contribution.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Then we have the battle of the egos - Formy, Noggin Boro and probably others.

While there is clearly ego in play, I wish it to stand for the record that my vigorous defence is solely motivated by a desire to see Tolkien's works as Tolkien's work--not as some fanfictionated, Hollywoodised, Dungeons-and-Dragons, Dwarf-belching crap.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

It has been foresung that I should do what I have done. Dare you take arms against fate, Master Canonist? Know you then what befell Túrin, who in his ignorance called himself Turambar, but was caught in the fate he thought he had mastered?

.....

Why have we been called here together? Are we not all here to take the selfsame journey to Orodruin, using to the utmost all the strength of our wits and intuition, and trusting Eru that he will step into the resounding theme of evil and repay our estel?

Surely you, of all people, Master Felagund, have forgotten the Doom of Men? Just because the Ainulindalë says only that the Third Theme (the Children of Ilúvatar) were conceived in the mind of Eru alone does not mean you could not step outside of your most favoured book and realise that the Doom of Men means both that:

Men are not bound to fate.

And, I'm afraid, escaping the circles of Arda is looking entirely too easy at the moment.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now please Form and Nilp, even if the situation is grave we shouldn't forget the basic principles the B-W has established. So no flaming or personal vendetta's here. They are not only against good manners but also tend to confuse our preliminary task of finding out the villains.

You'll clearly never be made moderator if you can't distinguish between flaming and a serious discussion. Nilp and I may differ on several key points, but at least we can dialogue, which is more than can be said for certain members.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Surely you, of all people, Master Felagund, have forgotten the Doom of Men? Just because the Ainulindalë says only that the Third Theme (the Children of Ilúvatar) were conceived in the mind of Eru alone does not mean you could not step outside of your most favoured book and realise that the Doom of Men means both that:

Men are not bound to fate. (FormenDAGA)

How then, Milord of the North, do you explain the woe that Túrin betided? Surely it was not by Morgoth wrought, most puissant though he may be of all creation. Was it not the weavings of fate enmeshed in the lives of him and of those that he loved?

Nilp, I still have no idea what that list of yours was all about, so can you please explain? (Nerwen)

It was a jest involving our locations in the real world, where I present myself as the only one from 'evil lands' (i.e., Rhûn)--unless you count the desolate wastes of Araman as evil. (FormenDAGA and Boromir88, at the least, would beg to differ.)

[Kitanna]

I was hoping someone would post before I have to go to work. But since no one has I will just present my list of what I think thus far. The list is based on those who have posted and the impression their post(s) made on me.

Moderately Suspicious-
Agan, Nilp, & Form- Their back and forth posts together suggests a hacker among them. Maybe even two, but I am more inclined to believe there is just one. Though I am not so sure as to which one yet. Form is the only one to have voted thus far, but I feel no malice with his vote or reasoning toward early voting.
Nerwen- Her short, IC posts obviously say little, but her more serious posts give little to go on as well. I'd like to see what she has to say about the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl she mentioned in her last post.
The Elf-warrior- A few yes or no questions, but hasn't said anything since. I put moderately suspicious because even though the two posts were in character Elf-warrior was quick to jump to his own defense.

Originally Posted by Elf-Warrior

For the record, I am not a party to the murder of the Barrow-Wight.

I find it suspicious because no one had put out any lists or anything yet. It always unsettles me for early defenses/ for the record statements so early.
The Sixth Wizard- Quick to advocate a vote for Nerwen. It seems in character, but I'll label this as a gut feeling because I don't get much from his post.
Unsure-
Kath- She said she wouldn't be around much today, so for right now I have no concern for her. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Boromir 88- I really just want to see more from him before forming more than a joke suspicion from my first post.
satansaloser2005- Nothing much can be gathered from her first post.
Eonwe- Same as many of the others here in my unsure bin.
Durelin, Eomer, Mith & Shasta- ^ Same

I have no suspicions that absolutely scream out to me as "Hacker!" which is why I have two categories here. Right now there's no one person I feel too strongly about in regards to guilt or innocence. So my vote (whcih will be in the next twenty minutes) will be selected from my moderately suspicious list. I can hope and dream there's an influx of posts between then and now, but I doubt that. So we shall see, eh?

[Eönwë]

There's not much to work with, but...

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Agan, Nilp, & Form- Their back and forth posts together suggests a hacker among them. Maybe even two, but I am more inclined to believe there is just one. Though I am not so sure as to which one yet. Form is the only one to have voted thus far, but I feel no malice with his vote or reasoning toward early voting.?

This is true. One of them might very well be a hacker. But we haven't seen enough of anyone to really be certain.

Nerwen is doing anything useful. She's just randomly posting stuff. Spamming the thread, methinks. In fact, maybe she's our spammer. Or is that Nilp. He's not making much sense or anything of his posts. I'd better ponder this further...

edit: to bolden names.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Agan

But we're not exactly in Middle-earth now. We're in the Barrow-Downs meeting.

From the RPG proposal on the discussion thread:

Starting Location: Rivendell, Middle-earth (for the council)
Likely Destination: Mt. Doom, Mordor, Middle-earth

-------------

The game takes place in the Seventh Age around the year 2008.

Anyway.

Eomer amuses me. He feels frighteningly familiar... Boro amuses me. A lot. There's something about Formendacil's attitude I like. Kitanna is boring, and her vote is even more boring. The Sixth Wizard amuses me. Nogrod's role is just too Nogrod. I want to see how long Nilp keeps his role up. Elf-warrior's first post amuses me.

I guffaw at this:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Wow, I can't believe the Barrow-Wight is dead. How will we survive without him? How will this forum survive without him? What are we going to do?

I say we get these hackers!

Everyone I have not mentioned yet...don't feel too bad.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Eomer

This pshycology class basicaly says that, like, people, will show themselves if ur clever enough to see inside their souls. So because I've been taking these classes I think I could really help us find the hackers.

Souls and psychology? You mean a freudian method?

I need Mith to translate this, if you please.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

WARE R U GUYS??!!!111!!!!!

'ware' the whether the weather of what? I think I was sleeping, because that is what normal people do in my timezone at 5 am.

Nerwen seems thoroughly drenched in the art of chatspeak, maybe she knows how to translate hacker. Or Boro's dictionary does.
Either way, I find her amusing. We should keep her around and see what happens. That or, some of the hackers are taking full advantage of our complete attention to try and translate her posts. Hmmm, conflict.

Form reminds me of an eagle scout. Which, if he is conspiring with the hackers, that could be a bit dangerous.

Sorry that I don't have much to say, but it's a bit of a busy day. More than likely I am going to have to vote randomly toDay, unfortunately. So much for sleeping in.

~ Ka

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Men are not bound to fate.
.

Well at the Tolkien society seminar I attended last Saturday that was with Free Will one of the major themes and without preempting the reports I shall write over the weekend both for the Downs and possibly Amon Hen, I can say that it isn't that simple. Oops that will no doubt to incur the wrath of the canonicist & the one upper and doesn't really get us any further on.

Kitanna speaks wisely. Though noone has yet (that I have noticed)expressed a hatred of Day Ones - though that was quite a common condition, it tended to be followed by a failure to see Night one so I believe it has a latent form! This is a big group and it may make it easier for people to keep a low profile so I would rather people spoke (even in eyeplitting chatspeak) than not. It is possible to make useful points in an amusing way and those games where noone says anything or merely repeats others' words without adding any insight or useful comment are tedious. Only danger is that the amusement can become a distraction....

OK I am going to read through and see if there is any substance in some of the more complex posts I only skimmed before, then I need to get something to eat and will be back for a long spell but not to the end... hopefully I will have a better idea of who to vote for by then rather than just choosing the most annoying!!!

[Kitanna]

++ Nerwen

She jumps forth because though she has been mostly in character, I had seen something that raises my eyebrow.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

ppl who do lots of loNg posts sayng nUthing & then maek liSts taht dont maek sence r up 2 sumthing IMHO.

Nerwen jumps out because she posts often and says little. Granted most of her posts were in character jargon and her most recent ones are serious and moving away from IC, but she makes a note to say those who make long lists, but say nothing are suspicious. I find people who make frequent short posts that say nothing equally suspicious. Which is why I now vote for Nerwen. Though she is only moderately suspicious in my eyes she stands out from the others on my list.

[Nogrod]

Early votes may be a bit harder to justify in general - I mean to give credible grounds for them - but I do not like the way either Form or Kit give their votes.

Form backs it twice: saying it's a random one and using IC reasons (I know he used to be the most staunch Day1-hater there was but still that is pretty much downgrading the whole Day 1). Kitanna feels like she tries and tries to find anything even remotely called a reason for her vote... just read her votepost and you may see what I mean. There is something forced in there to my eye.

That's not much I must say. If I'd need to guess I'd say Form is the hacker from the two, but the thing that I disagree with him so heavily over the usefulness of Day1's may cloud my vision here - and the fact that "just randomly" he voted for me...

I will be around later toDay a bit more and try to do something more constructive then. Gah. This has been pathetic from me (but sorry no time now).

[Mithalwen]

Well Nogrod you have participated more than many already.

As for the votes - I found Nerwen annoying but I don't know if that is just the first day banter or something more sinister. It is such a change from her usual calm, almost calculating style that I find it hard to judge. Maybe she is just having fun.

Formys vote was ... interesting .. I know day one can produce random votes but this seemed to have more to it ... is there some vendetta that I haven't noticed? I do remember Formy used to hate Day ones - I was thinking of him in my previous post.

And there are still a lot of people who I haven't even looked at really..... and it is a bit quieter than I expected - even from those who aren't mourning their separation from my fair homeland . I hope there might be a bit more to look at before I too have to vote and go....

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Kitanna feels like she tries and tries to find anything even remotely called a reason for her vote... just read her votepost and you may see what I mean. There is something forced in there to my eye.

Forced? If you believe so. But I would rather vote for one who raised my suspicions for even a remote reason on Day 1, then randomly pick a name from a hat.

[Nerwen]

this IC stuff maeks it hard 2 get a grip. most ppl havent posted enuf anyWAy.

sum thuoghts:

teh n00b eönwë casts random suspic10ns on ppl. probaly just his r0le. he mite be usng it as cover tho.

sally & kitanna do this a bit 2 but looks like first post joking.

durelin has made 1 long long post all about her char. cud be snaeky but its only her first post.

nogrod looks vary smooth. cud be role??? cud be using role??? has only maed 1 post.

formendacil and nilp hav argued a lot withuot rly saying anything, paticlrly nilp. he says things about ppl & doesnt xplain & he makes lists withuot any r3soning behind th3m. i dont lyke that. but cud stil be role. or using role???

hed huRts!!!!1111!!!

not enuf 2 go on yet. 6 ppl (Aganzir, THE Ka, The Sixth Wizard, Mithalwen, McCaber) havnt even posted.

WARE R U GUYS??!!!111!!!!!

EDIT: fixed bolding

EDIT 2: x'd with Sixth Wizard & Mithalwen.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Nerwen is clearly profoundly dyslexic

UR MEAN!!!111! I AM NOT DISLektic!!!! SPELLING SI BOR1NG!!! IF LEGGY WAS HEAR HED SHOOT U FULL OF AROWES!!!!1111!!1

Originally Posted by The Sixth Wizard

Wow, Nerwen is making my brain hurt. I say we vote her because:

a) Reading that kind of text will be really annoying later in the game for everyone.

ur mean too. my sp3ll1ng & grammer will get lots better soon. its hard 2 keep th1s up u no.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

formendacil and nilp hav argued a lot withuot rly saying anything, paticlrly nilp. he says things about ppl & doesnt xplain & he makes lists withuot any r3soning behind th3m. i dont lyke that. but cud stil be role. or using role??? (N3rw3m)

Need I explain my thoughts?It wouldn't hurt anyone for me to tell, so . . .

Despite the headache you give to most of this gathering (fashioned as I am by Eru's hands to discern the thoughts of Elves and Men, it hurts me not), you seem geniune in your endeavour to aid this community.

I should warn you though that the shape your thoughts take form on our screens makes you vulnerable to those confused by Melkor's discord, or perchance you know it already. Votes for you for 'IC reasons' may well disguise the perversion of their thoughts.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think Nerwen's a blasted little hacker.

What do you think of satansaloser2005's post?
( ) I approve
(x) I disapprove
I think she's rather the spammer. -Agan

I am too lazy to come up with reasons to neg-rep you all right now so maybe I just try to talk something and neg-rep only when I really feel like it.

Originally Posted by EW

Anyone want to confess?

Me! Me! Me!

Originally Posted by Formie

Still, Melkor can't win. Or Sauron. Or Herumor. Or any of the other successive waves of evil that Gandalf predicted.

Oh why do you think so?

Originally Posted by Boro

3. I have the best virus protection programs available and have been trained by hackers to know how they operate and thus am a far better hacker than these amatuers running around causing some tiny glitches.

*sits back and eagerly waits for Boro to demonstrate his skills by outing the hackers in a minute*

Guilty:
Elf-Warrior. Two posts, requiring yes or no answers to the question "Did You Kill The Barrow-Wight?". Somehow secretive attitude and claims to have no part in BW's murder.
Kitanna. One post, jokingly accusing Boro about his hacker post. Ends her post by inquiring about Nerwen's typos, for it would have felt suspicious if she had only talked about one thing before disappearing again.
sally. Feels too comfortable.
Sixth. One post and speaks only of Nerwen, telling why we should vote for her.

In general I don't like half-accusing one person and barely mentioning anyone else in the first post.

I hate to be a spoilsport, but funny as posting IC is, I think it could be done to a lesser extent. For if the day keeps going on like this, I might have to *shudders* vote randomly. And I just noticed I can't take Nerwen's posts seriously when she's talking like that.

edit: xed with Nerwen and Nilp

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I hate to be a spoilsport, but funny as posting IC is, I think it could be done to a lesser extent. For if the day keeps going on like this, I might have to *shudders* vote randomly. And I just noticed I can't take Nerwen's posts seriously when she's talking like that. (Aganzir)

I think FormenDAGA, villainous though he may be, will agree with me when I say that DAY 1s are .

Need we continue these modes of conversation the next DAY? It would present an air of versimilitude in the game but aid in our hunting of evil it does not.

The problem is that you have taken on personae, not mere occupations.

Well, it is making me laugh.

[Nerwen]

Okay, okay, I get the message. Besides, I'm giving myself a headache. Tough luck, Shasta, you weren't around when I needed you, so you're out of a job now. (Perhaps you could translate my earlier posts, for the benefit of those who aren't bilingual?)

I still won't take anyone dissing the movies in general or Legolas in particular though (Mmmn! Leggy! So hawt!)

Nilp, I still have no idea what that list of yours was all about, so can you please explain? I'm automatically suspicious of people who make lists of names with no explanations. On the other hand, I don't think a hacker/wolf would have said this:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I should warn you though that the shape your thoughts take form on our screens makes you vulnerable to those confused by Melkor's discord, or perchance you know it already. Votes for you for 'IC reasons' may well disguise the perversion of their thoughts.

EDIT: X'd with Formendacil, Nilpaurion.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh why do you think so?

I feel I should probably leave this for Nilpaurion to explain... he practically has a Ph.D in "and everything shall redound to Eru's glory"ism.

That and it's the recurring motif of Middle-earth: Evil may triumph for a time, but Good is ultimately always triumphant--even if you have to wait an Age for it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I hate to be a spoilsport, but funny as posting IC is, I think it could be done to a lesser extent. For if the day keeps going on like this, I might have to *shudders* vote randomly. And I just noticed I can't take Nerwen's posts seriously when she's talking like that.

Umm... that is the whole point of IC posting, is it not? On Day 1 there are no patterns and merely random accusations and voting. If the IC persists into Day 2, then it is well and good to complain, but on Day 1 there is nought else to go by, in any game, for the seeming randomness of the Wolves will only be brought to clarity in hindsight.


And... speaking of random voting, I won't be back before NIGHTfall (work all day, then an ordination), so suspect me all you like, but you'll not be able to accuse me of sneaking onto any bandwaggons.

++Nogrod

Because what would make a better cover for a hacker looking to overthrow the existing Mods than a pathetic wannabe-Mod? No one would suspect it.

Except I just did.

Well, so much for that theory... but votes are irretractable, and there really is no way to analyse one's way to a decent conclusion on Day 1.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

That and it's the recurring motif of Middle-earth: Evil may triumph for a time, but Good is ultimately always triumphant--even if you have to wait an Age for it.

But we're not exactly in Middle-earth now. We're in the Barrow-Downs meeting.

Originally Posted by Form

Umm... that is the whole point of IC posting, is it not? On Day 1 there are no patterns and merely random accusations and voting. If the IC persists into Day 2, then it is well and good to complain, but on Day 1 there is nought else to go by, in any game, for the seeming randomness of the Wolves will only be brought to clarity in hindsight.

Yes, but in my opinion there has been enough completely IC posting for day 1. At some point posts must begin to have some serious things as well.

Originally Posted by Form

++Nogrod

Because what would make a better cover for a hacker looking to overthrow the existing Mods than a pathetic wannabe-Mod? No one would suspect it.

Ooh a hacker trying to kill someone who BW might well have chosen for a mod before his death! Nog's a sneaky guy, I wouldn't put it past him not to reveal he's been chosen and keep going on with that I-wish-I-were-a-mod thing.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ooh a hacker trying to kill someone who BW might well have chosen for a mod before his death! Nog's a sneaky guy, I wouldn't put it past him not to reveal he's been chosen and keep going on with that I-wish-I-were-a-mod thing. (Aganzir)

Eager for his blood, are we now, dear?

Eager for anyone's innocent blood, perchance?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Eager for his blood, are we now, dear?

Eager for anyone's innocent blood, perchance?

Oh no that is not possible at all! I am always sweet and innocent. *neg-reps Nilp*

I'll be off for some hours now.

[Nerwen]

There's something very funny going on here. It's like I'm in the wrong fan club. I thought we'd talk about interesting stuff like who's hotter, Leggy or Aragon? Instead people go about some other movie or something with people who are, like, totally not in the real movie!!! It's weird!!!

–Okay, things have started heating up a bit.

Maybe I'm taking things too personally, but I'm not keen on the The Sixth Wizard's first and so far only post. He should have known perfectly well that nobody is going to keep up this IC stuff the whole game. Looks like very forced reasoning.

–It's starting to look to me like there's a wolf somewhere in this Agan/Nilp/Form brawl that's just started up. Not sure who it is.

I'm not prepared to vote anyone yet; besides, I have to go. Back in a few hours. Hopefully, there will be more to go on by then.

I'm off to dream of Leggy!!! ZMOG HE IS TEH AWESOME!!!111!!!

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, sorry, change of plans. My mother invited me (okay, I begged....heh) over for dinner, which never happens, so I need to head out. I might be back before deadline, but I'll vote now just in case.

Sarcastically, I'm the only one allowed to be a grammar Nazi on here, but we all know that's not the case. In reality, Sixth's post seems just....wrong. It's the first day and, as much as I hate to say it, at the moment there's not much we can get from toDay. Sixth is trying too hard to reason. Does that make sense? Blah. Anyway....

++Sixth



By the way, where are Rikae and McCobbler, erm, Cabbie?


Anyway, I need to head out. I'm bloody starving. Hopefully I'll see you all either before the end of the Day or toMorrow. Til then, Bye! Au revoir! Adios! Ciao! Ting tao tay! *waves dumbly*



EDIT: x'd with everything since Ka's 71....heh, including Rikae.

[satansaloser2005]

By the by, Nerwen, enjoy my avvie. I made it for the end of the Doctor Who season and decided you might enjoy it for the purposes of the game.




Also, I'm helping at camp out west tomorrow and probably won't be back right at the beginning of the Day. Just so you all know.


*scurries in search of foodstuffs*

[Mithalwen]

I really don't see why Sixth is that suspicious and it slightly worries me that Sally has jumped into vote for him after Agan and Boro have voiced suspicion - it looks a bit opportunistic and safe.

[Mithalwen]

Really nearly asleep now - early morning in the pool and late nights in a cyber cafe are not a good combo! Anyway can't decide about Kitanna & Nerwen and Form .. but Sally's vote just seems a bit too parasitic... at least Kitanna and Form stuck their heads above the parapet.

++Satansaloser2005

[Durelin]

Durelin makes some clever observations.