Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

the kind of behavior that attracts suspicion by conspicious noncontribution (is that a word?) - is not a behavioral pattern that a sane wolf would continue indefinately, especially as it's so easy to remedy.

I'll leave that to our resident grammar nazi... oh wait, he was lynched Day 1 after making one post.

"wolves do this, I'm not doing this, therefore I'm not a wolf" is a prime example of flawed logic.

3 things from this post. Let us continue the Shasta/Eomer show:

1. Because staying very quiet and unhelpful for a mere 2 days is unthinkable? It's easy with hindsight, Shasta, but EW looked like bad news! Loads of people thought so!

2. Different with Sixth Wizard. He made one post and obviously couldn't return. I agree that his lynching was not warranted. Elf-Warrior made 5 posts, all completely lacking in insight. That's way more suspicious.

3. I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

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3 things from this post. Let us continue the Shasta/Eomer show:

1. Because staying very quiet and unhelpful for a mere 2 days is unthinkable? It's easy with hindsight, Shasta, but EW looked like bad news! Loads of people thought so!

2. Different with Sixth Wizard. He made one post and obviously couldn't return. I agree that his lynching was not warranted. Elf-Warrior made 5 posts, all completely lacking in insight. That's way more suspicious.

3. I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

The Shasta/Eomer show. I like it.

1. In regards to the EW bandwagon, I somehow doubt "loads" of people thought he was bad. I think a few misguided innocents started it, then maybe a wolf or two jumped on, and the rest was a mix of maybe another wolf and a couple of "oh well" votes.

2. Five posts over the course of 96 hours is lying low, I agree with you there, but in his last two posts EW clearly stated he didn't have time to elaborate on his votes. And no one is ever especially active on Day 1 in most cases.

3. How you would act as a wolf, if you were one, makes no never mind in this case because you do not, can not have proof. How can we know you are what you say you are and how you would act if you aren't what you say you aren't? (I'm sorry, I know this particular point is muddled, but it's quite early for me.) And putting such emphasis on your past performances as a wolf leads me to the obvious conclusion that you're relying on that because you've drastically changed your wolf-style and are trying to make people think you haven't.

I think I shall go to bed now, it's five in the morning for me.

Stay tuned for another episode of the "Shasta/Eomer show", folks!

Edit: X'd with Boro, who doesn't like our regularly scheduled programming.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The Shasta/Eomer show. I like it.

1. In regards to the EW bandwagon, I somehow doubt "loads" of people thought he was bad. I think a few misguided innocents started it, then maybe a wolf or two jumped on, and the rest was a mix of maybe another wolf and a couple of "oh well" votes.

2. Five posts over the course of 96 hours is lying low, I agree with you there, but in his last two posts EW clearly stated he didn't have time to elaborate on his votes. And no one is ever especially active on Day 1 in most cases.

3. How you would act as a wolf, if you were one, makes no never mind in this case because you do not, can not have proof. How can we know you are what you say you are and how you would act if you aren't what you say you aren't? (I'm sorry, I know this particular point is muddled, but it's quite early for me.) And putting such emphasis on your past performances as a wolf leads me to the obvious conclusion that you're relying on that because you've drastically changed your wolf-style and are trying to make people think you haven't.

I think I shall go to bed now, it's five in the morning for me.

Stay tuned for another episode of the "Shasta/Eomer show", folks!

Edit: X'd with Boro, who doesn't like our regularly scheduled programming.

Actually, Shasta, that may be the end of the show, because there's nothing really interesting I need to respond with here. Your case against me is too weak. But looky looky at what I found about Nerwen!

You liked her. Yes, you did. All childish taunting aside, you were defending her when a couple of villagers were strongly on her trail. She also gave you a tiny bit of interaction, rolling you one of these -- -- when you said you disagreed with her Agan/Nilp/Form idea. ''Look everyone, we're not allies, honest!''

Immediate thoughts from list:

Innocent

Aganzir
Boromir
Rikae
Eonwe
Kitanna

Dodgy

Shasta
Nogrod
Nilp

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

Shasta seems utterly against Eomer on his assurance of EW's guilt based upon what to me looks like the above theory. I know yesterday at least Rikae was following the same sort thing, calling EW "dead weight" at one point. So, why attack Eomer about it, Shasta?

Originally Posted by Eomer

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

Could it be Eomer's vehement defense of himself?

I see what Eomer is saying about his belief that EW was up to mischief, hacker or spammer-wise, but this Shasta and Eomer back and forth is interesting to say the least. They both make good points against one another, but neither is really smelling like roses at this moment. And now I find Eomer slightly stranger looking because of all this. Simply because of my, as he called it, colorful WW past with him.

Originally Posted by Eomer

All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today.

I lack experience with an innocent Eomer, so maybe he speaks the truth. But even the best wolf will occasionally want to change up his game to throw off the village. A wolf in sheep's clothing so to speak. But there are plenty of hours left in the day and I'm interested to see what both Shasta and Eomer have to say, though maybe not about each other.

In any case obviously Nerwen needs to have her posts looked at. I plan to look at Eonwe voters still and if I'm feeling especially Nancy Drewish I'll take a gander at EW voters. For today I actually don't have work so I am free to actually make more in depth posts.

[Kitanna]

Nerwen
Post # 6:
Nothing much IC.
Post # 12:
A joking accusation of EW. Some fangurl gibberish about the movies. Again nothing much to go on.
Post # 14:
More rubbish, this time about cannons as opposed to canon.
Post # 19:
Responds to my joking accusation of Boro as a hacker. Calls Boro a hacker. States Harry Potter sucks or sux as she put it.
Post # 24:

ppl who do lots of loNg posts sayng nUthing & then maek liSts taht dont maek sence r up 2 sumthing IMHO.

This is what set me off about Nerwen because she said long lists don't make sense and those who make them are up to something. Yet she was making frequent short posts that meant almost nothing. A habit she kept up until she had to drop out.
Post # 30:

if ppl th1nk oth3r ppl R evul they should say Y.

1f they dont it looks liek their hiding beh1nd th3ir r0les.

And again that's what she was doing, hiding behind her role as rabid fangurl.
Post # 31:
IC making fun of Eomer. Commenting on his ability to looking into her soul.
Post # 34:
Responding to Nilp's IC remarks about her listening to Melkor and Mandos saying she was innocent.
Post # 37:
A little bit of something, finally. Mostly believes Eonwe, Sally, myself, and to a degree Durelin are just IC with our first votes. Though she is wary of Durelin, not sure what set her apart. Probably IC rubbish on Nerwen's part. Does cast some suspicion on Nogrod. Also says Nilp and Form argued a lot without saying anything.
Post # 38:
IC rubbish.
Post # 43:
Switching to normal speak. Asks Nilp to elaborate his list.
Post # 49:
Casts suspicion onto Sixth for his remark about lynching her. Also brings about the first about the "Agan/Nilp/Form brawl".
Post # 99:
Just letting everyone know she's back. Half IC chatspeak.
Post # 107:
Answers a question from Agan about the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl statement. Looks at Eomer and Eonwe for casting a vote for Mith who cast a vote for sally who cast a vote for Sixth. Didn't find Mith suspicious, but didn't say whether or not she found Eonwe or Eomer suspicious either.
Post # 113:
Defends self and Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory.
Post # 118:
Votes Eonwe. Stating he's the most suspicious. Partly self-preservation, but hadn't really cast much his way before this vote. Just a brief mention alongside Eomer.
Post # 129:
Asked if she could still talk after deadline.
Post # 136:
Makes a "ranger is unappreciated" statement.
Post # 147:
Again clarifying Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. Gives her reasons as to why. Clarifies cobbler role.
Post # 152:
Return to IC rubbish because she's bored.
Post # 160:

Maybe I'm prejudiced here, Aganzir, but your activity yesterDay gives me a nasty impression of shopping around for someone to lynch.

On the other hand, at least you didn't vote "at random" or giving IC reasons, unlike some people I could mention.

On Day 1 she had made a remark regarding people not saying why they suspected others and yet she does something like that here. Deliberately not pointing out those she disapproved of because of random/IC voting. Also puts some suspicions on Agan.
Post # 165:
Responds to Boro. Lists those random/IC voters. They consist of Eonwe, Form, Kath, and EW. Says Eonwe was just picking up on what someone else said (most probably Eomer). Calls Form pre-defensive because of his early vote and his defense of self. Says Kath didn't even try to explain her vote, which is true. Says the same of EW.
Post # 166:
Claims Agan was trying to get Sixth and herself lynched. It's pretty much a post responding to Agan or Aganwolf as she refers to her in one post.
Post # 174:
Responds to my vote, asks some questions I didn't have a chance to answer. Responds to something Rikae asked in regards to Eonwe.
Post # 175:
Brought up this is EW's third game. Though that doesn't necessarily have any bearing. Says he could be a newbie wolf, but suggests he may be the cobbler.
Post # 206:
Announces presence and that she's reading through the thread.
Post # 219:
Doesn't following my vote reasoning. But is willing to let Agan slide though she had suspected her quite heavily earlier in the Day. Believes EW is guilty.
Post # 277:
Asks about the deadline.
Post # 234:
Votes EW.
Post # 236:
Reminds us there are those who haven't voted.
Post # 243:

I prefer "loquacious" myself.

Final post.

So what can we gather from Nerwen's posts? She spoke often, saying little. Though she did cast suspicion on both lynching victims, she only voted for one (EW), but that was when it didn't look like that's where she was headed. She makes connection to many, but not strong enough to prove anything. Boro and Agan are the two she comes right out and calls wolves. Boro in jest, Agan in defense of herself.
Theories
1) Agan is a fellow wolf. Nerwen suspected her just enough so that if one was lynched the other may look good by comparison. If that makes sense. There's a connection on Nerwen's part, but not a strong one. It'd be a very bold move for both of them to suspect each so much and then vote elsewhere.
2) Agan is not a fellow wolf. Up to mischief maybe, but not a wolf. Nerwen calls her a wolf and seems to be inclined to vote for Agan. Yet when I put in my reasons and vote she backs off and votes for EW.
3) She had a wolf connection with Nilp or Form the remaining two in her Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. It would be a nice little connection to a fellow wolf to cast some theory on them on Day 1, but not really act on it.
4) Eonwe is a fellow wolf. She voted him Day 1 and found him suspicious Day 2. Like Agan she seemed more inclined to vote for Eonwe again than EW, but still she voted EW in the end.

Those were just some theories I thought up while reading Nerwen's posts. I think theories 2 and 3 are probably the most plausible. For the most part I think in her voting and actions Nerwen was trying to make certain people look bad to leave a trail toward an innocent in the case of her death. If that is the case, than I am inclined to believe Agan is innocent of wolvery. Cobbler, maybe, but based on Nerwen's posts and connection with Agan I'd say they were sloppy wolves indeed to play so boldly so early.

[Nogrod]

Back again!

Just a few comments to begin with.

Now some people have asked the question why Kath was killed and it seems there is an agreement that the kill left no trails. I'd like to add one more perspective to the question. The wolves missed their kill on the first Night of the game so whoever it was they were trying to kill that Night would have been 100% proof kill last Night. So did they go for Kath already on that first Night or did they have "a better idea"? The ranger knows it but should of course remain silent about it for the time being. But s/he should think about the meaning of that.

Secondly. I'm most unhappy about yesterDay's voting. Even if I consider Eomer to be more innocent than hairy I do share Shasta's attitude towards the lynching. They (Eönwë and EW) were too "suspicious" to be wolves, really. I said it already yesterDay and I say it now once again. So now we have two large bandwagons searching the real culprits from is just painful. But I'll try to do something to that end the next.

Also it would be helpful if someone had time to see who remained silent about Nerwen when she was the talk of the town. That might shed some light indeed.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmph. Wish I had some more time to post but I need to be heading out in like....erm, now-ish. *is not a morning person* Anyway, I'll try to pop back in at lunch and check up on things, so you probably won't here from me for a bit just so you all know.


In the meantime....well, I've got nothing. Sorry I don't really have time for a proper post, but I've got to hurry off to work. Play nice while I'm gone.


EDIT: x'd with Noggie

[Kitanna]

So I've been poking around at those who voted for Eonwe and for Eonwe himself. Someone (Form I believe) took a look at EW voters and since Eonwe was next in line with the highest vote count I figure it may be prudent to examine them as well.

The following is based on Day 2 posts. It would be ideal if I could looked at Day 1 as well, but I may not have the time or attention span to dedicate to that.
Nilp:
His first post of the day pretty much recapped Day 1's events. He voiced mild suspicions on Eonwe, Eomer, Rikae, and to some degree Nogrod.
His second post defends Kath's random vote as not being wolf-on-wolf.
The next posts highlights what he thinks of some villagers.
He voted for Eonwe saying he was the most suspicious and he had done nothing to assuage his suspicions.

Ka:
Her first post was little more than an "I'm here" statement.
Her next post she talks about trying to avoid a Agan/Form/Nilp bandwagon and that was behind on the posts when she had voted. States she felt Agan had forced herself to look indecisivel with her vote. Mostly talked about wanting to avoid certain bandwagons from Day 1.
The next post she half defends Eonwe's voting placement as a simple cross post. She states being unsure about Mith as well Sally. She half suspects Agan, looks most probably on past experiences than anything else. Doesn't really hold any suspicions of Nilp unsure about Boro and Form. Voted for Eonwe out of indecision.

Elf-Warrior:
First post clarified gender.
Next voted for Eonwe with no time to explain.

Shasta:
First post of the day was mostly stating he was there.
Next post rates the village as such:

Suspicious: Eomer, Eonwe

Sort-Of Suspicious: Kath, Sally, Elf-warrior

Mediocre: Everyone not mentioned above or below this line -----------------------

Not-So Suspicious: Nogrod

Not Suspicious: Mith, Nerwen

Does some Nerwen translation next. Responds to a Nilp query and answers a question I had posed about wolf-on-wolf voting.
Makes a voting list and points out "this the second day in a row that Elf-Warrior's cast a vote for the person with the most votes with no explanation..."
Next is a deadline question.
Says Eonwe and Eomer look the most suspicions and says he wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone.
The next posts are answering rule questions and translation.
Finally a vote for Eonwe.

Eonwe

What? She started a bandwagon against an innocent!

In reference to Kath starting a bandwagon against Eonwe and Nilp's response to Kath doing wolf-on-wolf.
Next post is a defense of his cross posting with Eomer on voting for Mith.

You're right.In fact, it may have been Nilp that started that, then Nerwen joined in, making it the 3rd vote, which I think could (And maybe should) be classified as a bandwaggon.

Backtracks there about Kath starting a bandwagon. He had stated maybe Kath hadn't started it on purpose, but once called out by Eomer that it doesn't necessarily equal a bandwagon on the first vote he backs off.
The next two posts are fairly unhelpful. He responds to one of Nerwen's queries about conspiracy theories, stating it was a thrown away theory he made IC. Though I'm a bit confused as to what theory the were talking about.
Next he recaps the votes, somewhat saddened Nilp has voted for him.

To correct my last, post, I will say that maybe a bandwaggon is forming, and against me!

Most suspicious person on my list:
The Elf-Warrior

Votes for me after two others have, and with no reason either. Then again, THE Ka seemed like she didn't think I was guilty, but then voted me.



Elf-Warrior, if you don't sayy someting to convinve me otherwise in the next 30 minutes, I think I might have to vote you.

A vote for EW would certainly have been a self-preservation vote. But what made EW the most suspicious? Eonwe could have picked Agan to vote for who, like EW, had one vote.
Next he votes EW. At this point Eonwe led the votes as the lynch candidate by one vote. His vote for EW was most probably self-preservation.
Recaps the votes again a bit later.
The next is nothing more than verifying this was EW's second game.

What does this teach us? That I need to not be lazy and go back to Day 1 to dig deeper. I, however, probably won't. I admit to my own laziness and if I do that I may actually miss the vote as I dig deeper for answers that may not even be there anymore (given the addition of a new hacker and all).

But as far as yesterday is concerned Ka and EW seemed to vote fairly randomly. Nilp suspected Eonwe from the first post of the day. Shasta is much the same stating Eonwe as one of his most suspicious early on. Ka may be up to mischief voting on indecision for someone who had already garnered one vote. I'm unsure what to think about Shasta and Nilp.

And as for Eonwe. He was somewhat opposed with his own bandwagon from Day 1. And he voted most likely to save his skin on Day 2. Though why he picked EW is a bit of a mystery to me. I might have missed something important... He's quick to jump to his own defense over even the most minor of attacks.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Why Eomer and not Rikae? Because due to something someone else (I think it was actually you, Kitanna!) said, Rikae seems innocent to me based on her first-day Nerwen vote. Part of it, though, is that I've been suspicious of Eomer since Day 1 and this just adds fuel to the fire.

Fair enough. I was curious as to why Eomer jumped out at you over the others who voted for EW.

I'm a bit baffled as what to do.
I think Eonwe is up to no good.
I haven't completely dropped my suspicions of Agan, but I'm leaning more on cobbler rather than hacker due to what we've learned about Nerwen.
As far as Shasta and Eomer are concerned, did they stage it? Maybe. If not Eomer looks a bit worse to me. I base that on our colorful WW history, as he put it. I have seen many wolfish faces to Eomer and his behavior today raises my eyebrow, though I don't know how inclined to vote for him I am.
Ka and Nilp remains a mystery to me.
Those are the five who I've looked at the closest today. I'll probably dig around some more and try to uncover any outstanding clues to go off of. But chances are good I will vote for Eonwe. He has jumped out the most to me thus far.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nog

A wolf kill... you mean? Yes I'm totally terrified by Kath to be sure...

Oh bother. I keep thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. I know he wasn't but I just keep seeing his name and thinking that. Blah.

What I was thinking was that you'd be one to take down the quiet ones.

[Rikae]

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil

GASP. WE MUST VOTE HER FOR BEING UNHELPFUL!

plusplusRikae

.....

[Boromir88]

However I have skimmed again and it strikes me that not only is Nogrod being quietly amnipulative but he is being quiet.... normally you can't look away for a moment without there being more analysis.~Mith

But Nogrod is a loud wolf too. This seems like it's kind of shaky, Mith. Also, something Nogrod makes a good point about is to look at those who had very little interaction with Nerwen. I'd also say to look at the one's who had a neutral/more defensive view of Nerwen.

Nerwen came under heat in Day 1, but by Day 2 everyone thought she was just a victim of the wolves. And to relieve some of that pressure I can definitely imagine at least one of her packmates trying to push the "victim of the wolves" defense; or not even having contact with her at all, to try and not have so much interaction.

...you can say all you want about someone, but it all comes down to voting, whether you really want the person you suspect lynched or not. Boromir and Aganzir, as I've said before, did not follow through their suspicion by voting.~Nilp

True, I won't speak for Agan, but all I'll say is at least today she is one of the most innocent looking people. As for me, if I vote for Nerwen it's a wasted vote and I know I'd get suspected for not wanting "innocent" blood on my hands. I already said I don't want to see Eonwe lynched, EW's fate was already sealed, and so my vote turns out to be a waste no matter what. Hence why I said (inaccurately quoted by Durelin) "I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." I'll bring down all hell to make sure someone I think is very suspicious gets lynched, and I won't be happy until that person is lynched. Ask Form.

Nilp's non-vote is worrying and Mith's vote for Nogrod is too. I'll be back again once I read a little more thorougly this time. (When I said look at Nerwen's posts I didn't expect you to take it so seriously! )

[Nogrod]

The votes this far...

Aganzir -> Nilp (following a long hunt...)
Mith -> Nogrod ("I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him")
Rikae -> Formendacil (on a hunch)
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë (he stands out the most)
Eomer -> Nilp 2 ("Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself." But there were rows already before that)
Shasta -> Eomer (to end the Day's row between the two)

Huh...

[Eönwë]

My internet is dying, so I had better vote quickly.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I will explain when I can...

[Nogrod]

I'd be ready to vote Mith toDay. She acts not in her normal way and with her I'd say that is a sign of something that is not for the good.

Kitanna seems to be an obsession to me in this game. Somehow she manages to look quite innocent post by post but still I just can't rid myself from the idea she's a wolf. All good and nice with her posting but then again toDay her vote on Eönwë looks like the easy way a wolf might go for... It doesn't help my position to realise I myself am a bit worried about Eönwë as well (have been from Day1) but Kit's vote bothers me as a safe one.

Rikae seems to have her hands full and she has been unprecedently low key on this - but so have I myself and thence I can't blame her for that. But I'm a bit worried.

Shasta's sudden burst of activity raises an eyebrow (as someone already mentioned) but the same goes for Eönwë as well throughout the game.

Nilp and the Ka are ones I need to look closer as I seem to suspect them with points others have made. I'll try to see if I can get a hold of them myself now.

I tend to trust the judgements of Aganzir and Boro due to their record this far and the sense they have spoken.

[Formendacil]

Well, catching up on this thread took all of twenty-odd minutes--much longer than I expected on the basis of posting from the start of the Day. Good to see though.

To Boromir's highly relevant remark that people aren't paying enough attention to Nerwen and her relationships, pre-death, I must admit this is a very valid criticism, but in my own defence I was quite tired and more than a little forgetful last night, by the time I got back online after my power failures. That being said, I've still got no thoughts on who Nerwen might have been wolfing with, in the basis of the Nerwen posts. It is my general assumption that most players of this game (most, not all) are adept enough to play somewhere in that vague zone between mentioning a fellow wolf and drawing attention to a fellow wolf, and Nerwen certainly struck me as one of the line-walking capable.

Not that there's nothing out there to indicate her comrades, just that I'm not confident enough in my ability to spot it bother digging with a single half-hour left in the Day, and nothing leaping out at me.

What is leaping out at me is the randomness of Rikae's vote for me--natural, given that it's got my name in bold letters and there's a certain rush that comes from being voted for, but I really must say that her complete lack of reasoning, even if grounded in real life reasons, is almost insulting. I'd like to hear what reasons people have for killing me, even if they are ludicrous.

Much like Eomer, I'm finding myself vastly more confident today about Mith's innocence, though for different reasons. As for Eomer himself, however, I'm in a quandary of doubt based on this quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

Now, unlike Nilp, I'm inclined to agree with this statement of Eomer's inclinations, but like Nilp, it gives me great cause for concern. While I'm willing to concede that Eomer has become a vastly more stable wolf than he originally was, I'm also entirely willing to credit him with presence of mind and strength of character to play the part of the bouncy, random ordo when he's actually the wolf. If he has indeed become a more cool, dismissive wolf, then this would bespeak a cunning and ability to plan that could easily translate into an act--as the loud, fight-seeker.

That being said, however, until he posted the above, I was feeling more sure about Eomer's innocence than I have all game. Clearly, other people are getting suspicious today, based on the votes, and I'm inclined to wonder if maybe Eomer is our freshly-bitten wolf.

More to come... must refresh, as there are sure to be more posts by now, and to recollect my thoughts.

[Boromir88]

By the spread of the voting it seems like everyone is dazed and confused. None of those who have received votes seem all that suspicious to me. I take back what I said about Nilp's vote (yes I've managed to change my mind in the last 20 minutes about that). I disagree with the decision to not vote, because I don't know why anyone would not vote (wolf included). Kath had a good reason to withhold her vote, Nilp's been around and participating today...

I guess the most suspicious one (who has received a vote) is Eomer. I've been pretty silent about him, and that's mostly because I didn't know what to think about him. He looks innocent, but he's a very scary player. There was very little interactiong between Eomer and Nerwen, also his behaviour here late is very strange. I mean really he's just sounding kind of crazy (I'm referring to his post where he voted for Nilp), that's always a bad sign. As someone else said (maybe Durelin? - I've read way too much in the last 30 or so minutes, I think I've had an overload), I'm starting to see a phantom-ness boldness in Eomer.

Alright, but Mith is the one who is raising the alarms here. Her vote for Nogrod seems just really out of the blue. (I guess you could say that about my suspicions on Eomer and Mith as well though). Nogrod's very dangerous, and he's completely fooled me before, but so far I feel he's pretty trusty. What's really odd about the vote is the reasoning too. I guess to borrow a word for it...it's "forced." It seems like she just chose Nogrod out of the blue and tried to say "well he's quiet and I always regret it when I don't vote for him."

Now, maybe Nogrod is being more quiet than usual, but Nogrod is an extremely loud wolf and he's not afraid to talk whether he's a wolf or not. Also, I just got done reading a few of his pretty long posts, so he's probably not as active as usual, but to me he's still looking pretty loud! (No offense Nogrod).

Edit: x'ed with every post up to 326

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nilp’s post 111. Says Nerwen is ‘’genuine in her eagerness to help this fair village’’. Yeah.

Nilp 134. Use of elipses seems to grudgingly accept that Kitanna was warranted voting for Nerwen. Rikae is not so warranted, though.

Shasta 144. Nerwen is ‘’not suspicious’’.

Nilp 156. Thinks Shasta is helpful and wants to keep him around. The only villager who gets this respect.

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There are a couple of other, piecemeal reasons why they are suspicious to me, but these relate to Nerwen, our known wolf, and are worth quantifying. The pair o' them look bad to me.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I have to go now, it's 5:30am here already and I still have to endure two or so hours of commute to school, where my first class shall commence at 8:30.

I really don't know who to vote, so instead of stabbing in the dark, I shall pull a Kath and abstain from voting toDAY.

Rest assured, if you still want me, I'd be more helpful, cerebral, analytical, whatever you want, tomorrow.

Or maybe I'll help you get me lynched? Nah, you're perfectly capable of doing that on your own.

++[null vote]

PS. Yes, Eomer, I'd be that obvious talking to a fellow Hacker. *coughcoughprevioustwogames*

[Kitanna]

++Eonwe
I haven't really uncovered anything else and Eonwe stands out the most to me.

[satansaloser2005]

You would think so, wouldn't you wolf boy?


Well isn't that just wizard. We lost our seer. I'll go through her posts and stuff later, but for now I need a nap. Be back later. (Oh, and I'll put up a vote tally then for anyone who's interested.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cute, Sally dear.

I just ran back and looked through all twelve of Durelin's posts...

#25 - Purely IC first post.

#60 - Amused by Eomer. Amused by Boro. Likes Form. Thinks Kitanna is boring. Amused by Sixth. "Nogrod's role is just too Nogrod." Wants to see how long Nilp keeps his role up. Amused by EW. Laughs at Eonwe's first post.

#106 - Loves how people create conspiracy theories through the banter. Mentions that Nerwen coined the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl. Thinks Nerwen to be an easy lynch. Bothered by Kitanna. Votes Kitanna.

#114 - Adds Nerwen to the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl.

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#252 - Apologizes for missing a day. Wonders how EW was lynched. Wants to look at Kitanna, Eonwe, Mith, and Ka with regards to Nerwen. Thinks Nogrod and Boro haven't been paid enough attention. Likes Nogrod's vote, and likes Boro's day 1 attitude. Thinks Eonwe is a possible spammer.

#290 - Save.

#295 - Professes to be clueless. Thinks that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, (bit of a turnaround on Kitanna here) because they were consistently against Nerwen. Thinks Rikae is the most innocent and Boro the least out of this group. However, thinks Boro and Agan seemed a bit "neat", and remarks that both their three top suspects were the same (EW, Sixth, Nerwen) and that two were lynched and the third a wolf, and that neither Boro nor Agan ever voted for Nerwen. Mentions Boro's remark, "Nerwen, I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." as conveniently placed.

Thoughts on others:

Eonwe probably innocent because of his interaction with Nerwen.

Nogrod and Eomer "sorta defended Nerwen but not really". Thinks Nogrod the more obvious of the two.

Nilp was pretty neutral about Nerwen.

Sally also held a middle ground policy regarding Nerwen.

Shasta (hey, that's me!) kept what he said about Nerwen as neutral observation and put Nerwen on an innocent list with Mith.

Mith, Kat, and Form all avoided talking about Nerwen for the most part.

Thinks that based on the wolf kills, we probably have a Nogwolf.

#298 - Puts up a suspicious list.

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Likes Shasta with his arguments of principles; thinks he might be a wolf.

Says Mith and Sally feel slippery.

Is bothered by Eomer.

"It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now."

Still thinks Eonwe is cheesy.

#309 - Replies to Mith, correcting an impression about which post she paraphrased. Wishes Shasta and Eomer would just duel already.

#316 - Keeps thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. Thinks Nogrod would be the one to take down the quiet ones.

#337 - Waiting to vote Shasta or Mith, never says why.

#342 - Thinks Eomer was probably important from the way he was acting. Votes Mith.

Thoughts -

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf. And the turnaround on Kitanna (suspicion Day 1, followed by nothing, then thinks her innocent Day 3), makes her seem another likely Seer dream.

Edit: Removed an open bold tag.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with your interpretation of the turn-around with Kitanna, Shasta. And I might be dropping my case against her at the moment as Dury voted for Kit on Day 1 and then on Day3 thought her innocent because she voted for Nerwen on Day1. That could be enough and we might think she probably dreamt of Kitanna on her first Night of dreaming. But why did she say then in the beginning of Day3 that she wished to look more closely at Kitanna, Eönwë, Mith & The Ka? And why was her only defence of her innocence the fact she voted for Nerwen on Day1?

I'm not too sure we can wash Kitanna free with this evidence... but why does Shasta wish to make us think like that, overdoing Dury's "release" of Kitanna which is doubtful in the first place when one watches the evidence. She thought her innocent along with Rikae, Aganzir and Boro because of their votes. She didn't say she was especially innocent - on the contrary she said Rikae looked the most innocent of the four...

The next thing I'd like to bring forwards is this (nothing to do with Dury's status as the seer I guess but we might think this a good advice as we now know she was innocent and thence wasn't pulling our legs)

Originally Posted by Dury

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really.

Exactly. I'm still thinking Mith is a wolf and The Ka might be one as well - or then Form but somehow I'm feeling he's not a wolf.

Dury's post #298 is really a baffling experience. Here it is in it's entirety:

Originally Posted by Dury

Alright, some conclusions from my ramblings:

Vaguely in order of suspicion (vaguely because I am incredibly indecisive):

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.

I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Mith and Sally feel slippery. It seems like they're trying to be...nice.

Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.

It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.

Sally - Eonwe seems cheesy...he seems to me like he's trying too hard to be surprised at things, to be interested in things, to look like he's doing something...you know, bad acting.

Now Shasta is her top suspect but still she thinks she likes him "right now" and thence he must be a wolf! Is this the seer notice? Making a kind of contradictory statement to make us realise she points to him? Anyway there seems to be no easy hints in her posting... So maybe this is a more cryptic way of doing it?

In the end she was ready to vote for either Shasta or Mith. Now that paraphrasing leads one to wonder whether she had dreamt of neither even if she voted for Mith (whom I believe is a wolf) in the end.

It is just too cryptic as adding my latest deductions she should have voted for Shasta.... (so there goeas my theory)

Or then she was more careful we think she was but got bad luck being killed even if there was no point in her suspicions... Somehow I just can't believe it fully...

Edit: Corrected a host of typos & added the last sentence

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf.

I'd like to look at Durelin's posts myself to see what I can draw from this theory. Durelin was never out right with her suspicions. Probably to avoid detection from the hackers and to avoid suspicion from the village. If she did dream of Nogrod as a hacker it would make sense why she never voted or cast "damning" evidence onto him. That would have ended her life sooner or drawn her out so she had to reveal her role before she was ready.

But Durelin may have had bigger suspicions she didn't vocalize, but did dream of and Nogrod was nothing more than a suspicion and she didn't dream of him. Since Durelin is now dead it's all guess work as to who she dreamed of and when.

But what about Shasta and Mith as her voting candidates for yesterday's vote? Could she have voted for one of them and found one of them a wolf? If that's the case she might have dreamt of Mith. Or those were two she wanted to dream of and never got the chance. If that's the case maybe it put the hackers on edge that someone was on to them.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself.

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself.

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

++Eomer

Love you too, .

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If I go down...