Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Mithalwen]

Well I have work to do ... should be back ina couple of hours until the end... I hope things may be clearer then.

[Boromir88]

however if you were a wolf exploiting privileged knowledge of my mindset you would know how I feel about certainty as a wolvish trait.... ~Mith

And you know that I had to keep reminding myself not to be so certain.

I kind of like this game of I know what you know, and you know that I know what you know.

[Lalwendë]

Post-Dinner time take:

Rikae - No
Nerwen - No
Feanor of the Peredhil - Possibly
Boromir88 - No
Nilpaurion Felagund - Possibly
Nogrod - No
Gwathagor - Possibly
satansaloser2005 - Possibly
McCaber - No idea
Shastanis Althreduin - No
Brinniel - Possibly
Mithalwen - No idea
Isabellkya - Possibly
Lalwendë - No
Kath - No idea
CaptainofDespair - No idea
Macalaure - No

I'll wait and see before casting me vote

[Brinniel]

Oh yes, I almost forgot...I have a tendency to get lynched on the rare Days I'm not there to defend myself.

Seriously, I wish I had more time to think things out but I overslept so I have even less time than I expected. I can't be late to my first class, so I need to vote now. I promise if I'm still around, I'll actually be able to analyse and participate come toMorrow.

So, my vote:

*writes down her vote and shows it to the crowd Survivor-style*

++Mac

Call it a backlash vote or whatever, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable about someone when they make a case against me based on a few short statements I made...especially when he knows I won't be around later to defend myself. I don't know if there'll be any accuracy in my vote, but I'm out of time and he's the first name that came up.

Sorry mate. And again, apologies that I can't be around for deadline. I hate when that happens.

[Macalaure]

Mildly suspicious:

Brinn - I still think her comments were strange, but apparently I'm the only one. So, yeah...
Fea - Her tone following Boro's comments is a bit too defensive for my liking. Not much, but enough to make her mildly suspicious.
Gwath - tense

No idea:

Boro - Stirs the pot, which is good. Usually a wolf wouldn't want to step on too many toes right from the beginning on, but since I'm on the receiving side of his suspicion, I'm a little wary.
CoD - *shrug*
Isabell - more *shrug*
Lal - Not sure, could be anything
Nerwen - Throws mild suspicion into each direction. I need to read more of her before I can form any opinion.
Nilp - even more *shrug*
Sally - no hunch whatsoever

Mildly innocent:

Mith - I usually can't get a read on Mith, so I'm careful. So far, however, she seems innocentish.
Nogrod - quite sensible, although he hasn't said much yet.
Rikae - no alarms
Shasta - no red flags

Originally Posted by Brinn

Call it a backlash vote or whatever, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable about someone when they make a case against me based on a few short statements I made...especially when he knows I won't be around later to defend myself.

A case? I just pointed out a few lines that I thought looked fishy, especially since they were the only lines of everybody that seemed fishy to me at the time. Knowing you wouldn't be around at the deadline is certainly no reason not to.

[Boromir88]

Would somebody explain to me what's so suspicious about Boro? I don't see it.~Mac

Thank you sir for bringing that to my attention. What's funny is I'm kind of in this zone and I really didn't notice this until I took a look for myself. Doesn't mean you aren't a wolf, but I applaud you for bringing this to my attention. Let's see...

Boro's sudden and quick change of mind with Fea is interesting. There seems to be no reason for it. If he was trying something (as an innocent) he would have let time pass and get some feedback but now he turned his tail after one banterish reply. I mean people do have fun and they should. But there are always things behind your rants and turn-arounds.~Nogrod

Boro: His manner of careless and easy accusation stands out. He could be a wolf trying to appear casual and flippant, like an ordo confident of his own innocence. Or, it could be genuine; maybe he's just taking advantage of the relative inactivity of the first few hours of the game to have some fun? I can't decide yet.~Gwath

and Boro is a flatterer. Everyone knows one should never trust a flatterer.~Rikae

Those who attack others? Anger, fear, aggression. The Dark Side of the Force are they. (Standouts: Boro, Rikae again.)~Nerwen

++Boromir88~Shasta

I've had a bad feeling about Boro, and Shasta seems to as well (unless this is just a traditional sort of thing) - I'll keep watching him. He's too clever to obviously slip up, though, so hunches may be what it takes to catch a Boro-wolf.~Rikae again

(For some info, last time I did a awfully (yet wickedly evil) bluff and got Shasta, the real Ranger lynched. Shasta vowed revenge, but I'm wondering if he's hiding behind that cover now.)

However right now, Brinniel, Boro and Fea seem fishy.~Lalwende

That's 6 different people (either jokingly, or not) mentioning some sort of (mostly minor) uneasiness about me. There are 17 people (including me) in this village. That is now a mathematical probablility that one of those people above is a wolf.

Now watch carefully Fea, because you said there is no empirical system, well I'm about to figure one out, so hold on...

Edit: crossed with Brin

[CaptainofDespair]

Hmm...hmmm....

Day One, as was expected, has provided nothing.

I am disappointed in you, Day One. Shame on you for performing only up to expectations. I cannot have lazy good-fer-nothin's lazing about at the Grand Opening of Cluny's Con!

You are almost as bad as Cheesethief, except he died to keep me alive...

/end IC Talk...for now

Anywho, other than that nefarious Day One, I've got no real suspicions. I guess I could make an attempt at imagined ones.

Rikae and...umm...Mac...yess...they are suspicious to me. Or maybe...Boromir.

Bah...I do hope Day Two goes better. I've really got nothin'.

I really don't want to go out on a limb and vote to kill someone who, in all likelihood, will be innocent. I've toyed with the idea of voting for Day One, as it is pure evil and will keep a likely innocent in the game at least a night longer. But then again...we could get lucky.

I shall wait a little longer to vote...maybe I'll figure something out.

Edit: Well, I'm sticking to my guns. No random lynchings. I need something of substance.

++Day One

[Macalaure]

Oh, come on. Yes, half-random Day 1 votes aren't great, but not voting at all doesn't get us anywhere.

Also, those half-random votes often bring some insights with them on Day 2, and you have just elegantly dodged that for yourself...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Captain

I really don't want to go out on a limb and vote to kill someone who, in all likelihood, will be innocent. I've toyed with the idea of voting for Day One, as it is pure evil and will keep a likely innocent in the game at least a night longer. But then again...we could get lucky.

I shall wait a little longer to vote...maybe I'll figure something out.

Edit: Well, I'm sticking to my guns. No random lynchings. I need something of substance.

++Day One

Seriously? No, really, you're bluffing right? This is one of those 'I'm going to let the Daleks think they can kill me but really my companion is bringing the TARDIS back in five minutes to save my behind' kind of things, right?


I just find this extremely....not good. (Late night, apologies. Off for a nap then I'll come back. And if I don't, as fair warning, it's because my computer's been acting up like none other.)

[McCaber]

Checking in here. Sorry I'm late, I had to finish laying the smackdown on a pack of dragons.

Here's my take on all this so far:
Boro seems innocent to me. Like someone said, I don't think a wolf would cause this much controversy early in the match.

Brin seems a little off to me, as does the Captain. Gwath and Mac both look fine by me.

So that's about all I got right now. I'll be back with my vote.

EDIT: crossed with Boro

[Boromir88]

Brinn - I still think her comments were strange, but apparently I'm the only one. So, yeah...~Mac

I'll give you the wording of "lynch candidate," sounds like she's Rikae's executioner or something. But Brin has this "I really don't care what I say, and I don't care how people interpret what I say, so I'm just going to say what I want..." That is more consistent with an innocent, as someone with something to hide typically is a little more cautious.

A case? I just pointed out a few lines that I thought looked fishy, especially since they were the only lines of everybody that seemed fishy to me at the time. Knowing you wouldn't be around at the deadline is certainly no reason not to.

True, if you're innocent and got something to say, then say it, whether the person will be around for the deadline or not. However, whether you want to admit it or not, it was a case against Brin. A flimsy one, with some comments about a few lines (what does anyone expect from Day 1?), but it was a case nevertheless; just like the "cases" I will establish...right now.

Nogrod, get's .5 of a point for assuming I'd do something as an innocent, and that assumption is, well, wrong. And 1 point for his reaction to Mith saying his posting was a "worrying sign."

but making it conveniently just after Boro had called my name, looks interesting as well. Not impossibly ordo-Mith-like but not too reassuring either.

I looked Mith and my posts are 4 minutes apart. Now Mith's post is short, but I wouldn't throw out the possibility of a cross posting. (I don't always go back and edit to say who I crossed with). So, Mith, perhaps you would be kind to share...and be honest?

Nogrod: 1.5 points

Gwath, calm, reasonable, his thoughts are sound analysis. Certainly possible for a wolf, but that provides no reason to find him suspicious on Day 1. 0 Points.

Rikae, .5 point for joining the suspicions against me. .5 a point for telling Mac she noticed the same thing about Brin's remarks. -.5 for the sincerity here:

He's too clever to obviously slip up, though, so hunches may be what it takes to catch a Boro-wolf.

Now who's the flatterer? But seriously, you admit it's a hunch, I again commend you for that.

Rikae: .5 points

Nerwen, 1 point for hiding behind the character while saying who's suspicious.

Shasta, 1 point for hiding behind the vow of revenge. .5 point for what I see as a throw away vote. 1.5 points.

Lalwende, 1 point for posting and being present, yet not giving us any sort of depth as far as her thoughts. Seems like she's got an evil secret to hide. 1 point for being careful and staying out of any sort of confrontation. .5 for referring to me as fishy, then claiming:

Boromir88 - No

Lalwende: 2.5 points

Based on this study, which holds absolutely no biases -

Lalwende
Nogrod
Shasta

and based on no study, but a gut reaction -

Macalaure

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nogrod, get's .5 of a point for assuming I'd do something as an innocent, and that assumption is, well, wrong. And 1 point for his reaction to Mith saying his posting was a "worrying sign."

I looked Mith and my posts are 4 minutes apart. Now Mith's post is short, but I wouldn't throw out the possibility of a cross posting. (I don't always go back and edit to say who I crossed with). So, Mith, perhaps you would be kind to share...and be honest?

Nogrod: 1.5 points

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Yes. That was a cross post - I didn't flag it because I didn't think it was relevant. I appreciate that Nogrod is likely to be paranoid about me but that post was more about my opposition to GMO in my youth than the game. I know next to nothing about SciFi / Fantasy other than Tolkien but I do have a layman's interest in genetics.

[Boromir88]

Because I have enough faith in his ability to figure out why, and because there's always a really great chance that I'm right.~Fea

Because you're not satisfied until I'm dead, and even when the narrator reveals I'm innocent, you still think it was a conspiracy and I was evil all along?

[Mithalwen]

For what it's worth I think Boro may be having too much fun to be a wolf - I think he might be a bit more restrained. Be a shame to lose someone who is talking though.

He could be the cobbler though or simply being an agent provacateur. Fea is playing the Phantom. Need to have another through and see if there are no IC posts from Lal et alia

[Brinniel]

Just checking in to say I'm back...I know I made a big deal about how I wouldn't be here for deadline and I honestly thought I wouldn't. But my teacher let us out of class a whole whopping hour and a half early (it's a 4 hour class).

I figured being the first day I'd get out of class a little early, but was definitely not expecting that early. Maybe I should've taken the risk and not voted at all...but knowing how my luck goes, if I had done that I wouldn't have been back before deadline.

Okay, I still need to go back and catch up on what I missed. Then I'll see if I can contribute anything before deadline.

[Nogrod]

Mith: it is already clear that I read your post back there the wrong way as you suspecting me. So why are you coming back to it the second time?

And anyway. That was early in the Day with about twenty posts made in total (almost everyone of them being only joking & banter). I think both you Mith (explaining your post many times) and Boro (making that "empirical device" where you consider I'm one who suspects you) are making a mountain out of a molehill here. (Yes Mith, I didn't consider your posts as cross-posts and that was my carelessness not to look at the timestamps and think about the possibility. Yes.)

But your posts were the only ones there was anything even remotely looking like saying something that gets the game forwards at that point of the game. Now after people have contributed more there clearly are better points to be made - and it was obvious back then in the beginning of the Day. But your insistence on coming back to those early hour "suspicions" doesn't make me too happy about you two.

But I'm even more unhappy with those who just fly straight through the banter-radar or under any radar just not appearing or not contributing.

And I have a battle with myself about Gwath. He looks wolvish to me and I think I have plausible reasons and so I should trust my own judgement. But I've been wrong with him so many times... Unless there is a "submarine" we can agree on or any better cases to come forwards, or if I have to try and save someone I think is clearly less guilty than someone else, I'm considering of voting Gwath.

EDIT: X'd from Sally
EDIT2: ... oops... from Boro...