Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Rikae really wants me dead. Why? (Not that I'm complaining, she's not succeeded yet, but she's after me like no other. I wonder....blah, have to talk about that later)Sally posted this yesterday.

Maybe the last wolf thought that she was the Seer.

Mac..I know that - there was an annoying car insurance commercial here where someone gets very agitated about their car being hit and is told "Calm down dear, it's only a commercial"....

Michael Winner creeps into WW? Meh.

It wasn't just Rikae who wanted Sally dead so you could be right there, as why would she pick on Rikae? Though Rikae had flown right under the radar yesterday so she was probably a really easy meal. There will almost certainly be no traces but I'm going to look anyway.

I was hoping to bung more on tonight but I had to go and help clean up baby vomit. And then change all the sheets. And put baby vests to soak and so on. And I found Shelob dead inside the duvet cover. Eyuw.

[Nogrod]

Okay and here we go again... (I see Mac has done about the same thing but well, now we havew two accounts of yesterDay's voting. Interesting to see if they differ...

Rikae -> Sally
(01.39)
For her voting mainly… also her other posting.

Sally1

Shasta -> Nogrod
(06.23)
“I didn't like Nog yesterday, I would have voted him yesterday, and he's done nothing to assuage my suspicions today.”

Sally1, Nogrod1

Boro -> Lalwendë
(15.32)
After an intensive and consistent campaign against her.

Sally1, Nogrod1, Lalwendë1

Fëa -> Mith
(15.59)
“Sorry, darling. You know I love you, but...” Only her second post of the Day. Very early on the Day she said: “I could see a Mithwolf in this game...” but that’s all.

Nogrod1, Lalwendë1, Mith1

Lal -> Mith
(16.28)
After a whole Day of a row with her.

Sally1, Nogrod1, Lalwendë1, Mith2

Izzy -> Nogrod
(16.34)
“Crap gotta go. Just when things took a turn, oh dear.” Was consistent though.

Sally1, Nogrod1, Lalwendë1, Mith2

McCaber -> Sally
(16.38)
Had been consistently suspecting Sally for her Day1 voting trying to save CoD (which we now know was a correct idea).

Sally2, Nogrod1, Lalwendë1, Mith2

Mith -> Lalwendë
(16.40)
“Anyway wish I could get a woluf but surviving and a cobbler would do for today.” And we know how they were fighting yesterday anyway.

Sally2, Nogrod1, Lalwendë2, Mith2

Nerwen -> Boro
(16.40)
“I was having a serious think about voting for the de facto cobbler– that's what Lalwendë is, whatever her official role– just to get her out of the way”. Has suspected Boro from his Day1 vote onwards, consistently votes him even if discussed him yesterday not too much (one comment that is).

Sally2, Nogrod2, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1

Sally -> Nogrod
(16.52)
“Again, of my suspects he's top of the list. I wouldn't mind a Lal lynch either, but at the moment I've got bigger Finns, erm fish, to fry.” Is being consistent though.

Sally2, Nogrod3, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1

Nilp -> Sally
(16.55)
Said he didn’t have any serious suspicions but that of Lal the Cobbler.

Sally3, Nogrod3, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1

Nogrod -> Sally
(17.00)
She was one of my top candidates but there were obvious reasons why I chose her from the other possibilities…

Sally4, Nogrod3, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1

Mac -> Sally
(17.00)
“I'm tempted to vote both Mith and Lal for going off-topic that way right before the deadline.” Wished to get Boro lynched. Sally was her suspicion number two (shared place with Nilp).

Sally5, Nogrod3, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1

[Nogrod]

News for you: Boro is not a wolf.

I was just looking back a few things when I realised the following.

On Day1 the voting situation before Sally's vote was:

Sally 1 [wolf]
Boromir 2
Mac 1
Rikae 1 [ordo]
CoD 3 [wolf]
Brinn 2 [ordo]
Gwath 1 [ordo]

And Sally decided to vote for Boro! If Boro is a wolf it would mean that Sally would have raised her other mate to the pole-position alongside the other one just a few minutes before the deadline...


Another thing:

This one raised my eyebrows already yesterDay and helped me feel a bit better about voting for Sally. It's a reply to my half-joking posting about Fëa becoming the third cobbler-candidate with her "revelation".

Originally Posted by Sallywolf

Yeah. Let's leave cobblers for another day (or night, if the wolves decide to be silly like my last game) and work on wolves for now. Savvy?

The situation, as everyone remembers, was that many people were thinking about Lal as a cobbler and quite a few thought similarily on Boro. And I think there was something like that in the air as "let's lynch a cobbler if we have no idea about the wolves" - well at least I was getting into that mood. So is it that one of those "cobbler-candidates" is indeed her last packmate or was she just trying to save a presumed cobbler? Or was it just to assure others it being a good idea to lynch me?

At the time she wrote that post the voting was: Sally2, Nogrod3, Lalwendë2, Mith2, Boro1. So Lal had two votes and looking like one plausible candidate to be lynched (Boro 1 vote eg. it was possible he might go for the gallows as well) and Sally had just voted for me herself.

[Nogrod]

Looking at the voting against wolves kind of assured me about a few things. I'm not saying there couldn't have been WoW -votes but looking at the tightness of the race on Day1 I find it quite improbable there (and at least Sally actually tried to save her mate). On Day3 it would be quite suicidal from a wolf to help her/his last mate to go down however good it might look as playing alone against 9 innocents would be the least s/he would wish for (I have tried it once so I know what I'm talking about - I had no chance even if I think I played pretty well).

And looking at the votes on Day3 it seems also that every vote in a way put Sally into the lead which would be dangerous indeed (well, not Mac's vote but he had put CoD to a late lead on Day1 - and mine could be seen as just trying to save myself which is in a way also true).

So.

Voted CoD Day1

McCaber (first vote for CoD when voting was spreading wide)
Isabell (put him to the shared lead)
Macalaure (put CoD to the lead)
Mith (chose CoD over Boro – nailed it)

Voted Sally on Day3

Rikae (known innocent started it)
McCaber (brought Sally into a shared lead)
Nilp (brought Sally into a shared lead)
Nogrod (put Sally in the lead, ahead of himself)
Macalaure (confirmed Sally’s death)



So I'm tempted to say that now as we have only one wolf left I will leave

McCaber
Isabell
Macalaure
Mith
Nilp

in peace unless they do something that really raises my eyebrows.

Adding to the list

Boro

for reasons explained in my last post will leave me with four candidates for wolvery:

Shasta
Fëa
Lalwendë
Nerwen

I'm not promising to eat my hat or anything like that but I will be really surprised if the wolf is not one among the four listed there.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Looking at the voting against wolves kind of assured me about a few things. I'm not saying there couldn't have been WoW -votes but looking at the tightness of the race on Day1 I find it quite improbable there (and at least Sally actually tried to save her mate). On Day3 it would be quite suicidal from a wolf to help her/his last mate to go down however good it might look

I can't rule out page 4 because the evidence is that strong there. No need to look for any kind of mad theories, it's there. All you have to see is that two were going down and one had to be chosen - it's just working out which player thought which other player was in which role.

However I cannot see any reason why, apart from desperation, a wolf would vote WoW, so for me, this rules out Mac and McCaber completely. Anyone else still needs looking at.

[Boromir88]

Lal, since you are without question the cobbler, I'm going to treat you like others treat me when I'm a known wolf. Have fun talking to yourself dear, keep yapping, if it so pleases you. I refuse to go another day bantering with you.

I suggest everyone else do the same.

[Boromir88]

Nerwen, you're going to have some answering to do...

I was having a serious think about voting for the de facto cobbler– that's what Lalwendë is, whatever her official role– just to get her out of the way– but I think I'll go with

++Boromir88

Not only is it another throw away vote from you (like Day 2's vote), but if you believed Lal was the cobbler, why would you think I'm a wolf? I've been after her for over 3 days. Sure the wolves and cobbler don't know eachother, but if you believed so strongly Lal is the cobbler than what's your justification for me being a wolf?

I'm going to have a good long look at Nogrod, sorry, while I agree with your list, and it looks right to me, you can't expect me to exactly find you the most trustworthy person in this situation.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Me Uchiha Madara, me have Mangekyou Sharingan (Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye), me see Rikae, Nogrod, Brinniel, and Shasta and see them Ordos.

Any suggestions where you would like me to cast my eyes next?

I would like to ask the Ranger not to protect me this NIGHT. They won't dare kill me.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Me Uchiha Madara, me have Mangekyou Sharingan (Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye), me see Rikae, Nogrod, Brinniel, and Shasta and see them Ordos.


I would like to ask the Ranger not to protect me this NIGHT. They won't dare kill me.

I knew!!!! That was the thought I referred to in my first post today but since I didn't do a Shasta style acrostic I can't prove it Was very glad to see you still alive .

So now Nerwen is pretty well my top suspect.

[Lalwendë]

I must vote early today because I have to go out and I don't know if I'll get a chance later.

Now, I'm being tempted to vote to lynch someone from one of these vomit-worthy love-ins. Go and get a room! Bleurgh. I prefer Boro's style, he's always the Simon Cowell of the game (though I hope he doesn't wear those nasty kex) and I can respect nastiness, because that's what it's all about! Plus it doesn't make me feel sick

Still, nowt will dissuade me from the solid evidence of Page 4. No point voting for Mith today simply because it will be a wasted vote as I can see the way things are going in the love-in. Luckily I have two candidates with overpowering evidence against them so I've still got someone worthwhile to vote for rather than feeling obliged to jump onto some poor soul's bandwagon that's been formed from a shadow and a thought. So I might go for my cobbler candidate.

Nogrod's case for his innocence is well thought out, but there is more convincing evidence on Page 4.

Sorry mate, but you knew it was coming.

++Boro

Hopefully I'll get to check in around deadline.

[Boromir88]

Agreed... but did you miss the post where Nilp says he's the Seer, and has dreamed Nogrod innocent?~Nerwen

Whoops...in that case I will take a look at our wolf-slaying efficianados McCaber and Mac. Perhaps they knew too much.

P.S. SEER, I'm serious, don't waste a dream on another ordo.

P.P.S.

I still so desperately want to know Boro's role.~Fea

It's odd how anytime our paths cross, it doesn't matter whether you believe I'm innocent, you just want to lynch me so you know for sure. To which I will say the feeling is mutual.

[Boromir88]

Lal, I prefer Simon Cowell's mini-me, Piers Morgan. Would it be an all-time WW record if I voted for Lal again?

[Nogrod]

Okay then... interesting indeed.

Boro's sudden insistence to go after me even if Nilp had kind of shadily revealed himself and given the information. So he wanted to try - until Nilp became more articulate.

And then this:

Originally Posted by Boro

P.S. SEER, I'm serious, don't waste a dream on another ordo.

So the seer should indeed do that? And waste the dream on you because you try to look suspicious by doing that?

Boro = the Cobbler.

He's no wolf. And here I'm going to argue against Lalwendë that Sally's vote which raised a fellow-wolf (Boro) alongside to the lead with her other fellow-wolf (CoD) just a few minutes before the deadline on Day1 is just too far-fetched - whatever "evidence" one manages to read from page 4.


Nilp: if - and when - you're the seer I'd suggest Nerwen for your dream. She could be the last wolf and if not she would be of great help to us as a known innocent.

[Boromir88]

Boro = the Cobbler.

Nogrod, I repeat...I am not the cobbler. Wasn't it I who pointed you specifically to Brinniel mentioning you and sally as her two possible wolves. Thus, the wolves killed Brin because they were afraid she was the seer? Wasn't it I who pointed out on Day 2, Sally's strange reactions to CoD's vote? How did I know? Because I've used that exact strategy successful as a wolf, and it was to sally's misfortune that I was in this village.

See Nogrod, instead of looking at the actual "evidence" you just assume that since I said "don't waste a dream on me" I must be the cobbler. Yet, you completely ignore Lalwende who is still harping about the "page 4" evidence, and that's all she's been going on about for over 2 days now. Nogrod, use your noggin.

[Mithalwen]

Gah 'puter has just eaten my post. Still think Lal is best cobbler bet but given that I don't understand what is going on with Fea. Nerwen , Izzy and Shasta are creeping me out. Nerwn probably most. Izzy's vote for CoD could have been wolf on wolf gone bad.... played safe with Nogrod since .. and you can usually make a case for voting Nogrod I find. Though he is looking fairly innocent now by his voting.

Hmm thing that is Goodnight from me now.

[Lalwendë]

So you accept there could have been WoW voting going on?

[Mithalwen]

It happens I never said it doesn't. I contested only that my voting was not wolf on wolf which I knew to be a fact

But Izzy was swift to point out that she had voted CoD the next day which could have been making the best of a bad job. Or not.... really got to go, tired eyes.. drive..early start...