Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

Alas, so true.

There was one thing I forgot to mention in my last post. About Lommy's list, then. I'm too lazy to look for it again, but I noticed that at almost every single point there was some kind of "seems a bit suspicious because of xxxxx, but then feels quite OK and it's silly to draw conclusions at this phase". I know we can't be sure of anything at this phase, but the way she has to emphasise it so often in order to sort of soften her points seems a bit exaggerated.

I'll vote soon because I want to go to sleep. No idea who to vote, though. I will definitely not vote Rikae - I don't find her particularly suspicious and besides I don't like it when there is but one person who is being voted. It's nothing to encourage discussion other than "Oh my, a bandwaggon!" and is the perfect spot for baddies to slip away unnoticed.


EDIT: x-ed withNoggins and Eönwë

[A Little Green]

Bah, I'll just vote now.

++ Groin

No proper suspicion as I have that on no one - this is based almost entirely on gut-feeling. He has been one of the least innocentish toDay and I don't quite like the tone of some things he has said.

ToMorrow I'll have an eye on at least Lommy and, well, just about everyone.

Good night darlings.


EDIT: x-ed with Fea and Legate

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

About Lommy's list, then. I'm too lazy to look for it again, but I noticed that at almost every single point there was some kind of "seems a bit suspicious because of xxxxx, but then feels quite OK and it's silly to draw conclusions at this phase". I know we can't be sure of anything at this phase, but the way she has to emphasise it so often in order to sort of soften her points seems a bit exaggerated.

I noticed it too but didn't pay it any more attention back then - at least consciously.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I assure you with all seriousness and all understanding of the implications of the statement: if I was going to slip something, I'd do it on purpose.

I can believe that. However, let's say you were a lover who wasn't sure her counterpart could avoid slipping. It works also that way.

Originally Posted by Fea

What in the world makes you think I want to be honest?

It was a nice way to say you were suspicious.

Originally Posted by Fea

Sorry, stupid question: Lovers know each others' identities, right? They're not fumbling in the dark hoping they don't accidentally kill their counterpart?

I would assume they do. I can't see the sense in it being any other way.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Unnecessarily getting yourself provoked, I'd think... though of course nothing against your intentions to vote Mac.

I'm not. His comment really was wolfish. Now that the first bandwagon has started to form and I say I could vote for her since I've been suspecting her anyway, he suddenly finds it wolfish. I don't like how Mac's hesitating whether or not to suspect people who suspect him - or so it seems to me.

edit: xed with Mac and Fea

[Eönwë]

Is it just me, or has everyone just said- "Vote me and you're evil"?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

However, let's say you were a lover who wasn't sure her counterpart could avoid slipping. It works also that way.

If I'm a lover then our dear Moddess thought it would be hilarious not to tell me who my counterpart was.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

If I'm a lover then our dear Moddess thought it would be hilarious not to tell me who my counterpart was.

What in the world makes me think you want to be honest?

edit: xed with Lal

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What in the world makes me think you want to be honest?

Touchè.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This comment of Mac's doesn't sit right with me and makes me more inclined to vote for him instead. It's wolfish.

No, it's not. Yes, you stated your suspicion of Rikae before, but #103 looks a lot like a wolf (or lover thereof) trying to get a bandwaggon rolling without getting her fingers too dirty.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't like how Mac's hesitating whether or not to suspect people who suspect him - or so it seems to me.

It is beyond me how it seems to you that way. I never seriously suspected Rikae. I suspected you in a bantering way in the beginning, thought you innocent-ish thereafter, and only increased my suspicion now that you started posting wolvish things. No hesitation whatsoever.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

It is beyond me how it seems to you that way. I never seriously suspected Rikae. I suspected you in a bantering way in the beginning, thought you innocent-ish thereafter, and only increased my suspicion now that you started posting wolvish things. No hesitation whatsoever.

Hmph the thought of you suspecting me just stuck in my head. But what are these wolfish things you are referring to?

edit: xed with Lommy

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hmph the thought of you suspecting me just stuck in my head. But what are these wolfish things you are referring to?

Your reaction to the two votes for Rikae and in particular your reaction to my criticism of it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Your reaction to the two votes for Rikae and in particular your reaction to my criticism of it.

I reacted to Rikae votes the way I did because I suspect her and rather vote for someone who has already a few votes than a suspect of mine who doesn't have at all.
I can see why you think my reaction to your criticism looks wolfish, but then on the other hand so does your criticism itself. You know I'm an intuitive player more than a rational one, and something in that post is bugging me.

Are you sure you didn't criticize me just because I said I'd actually prefer voting you?

edit: xed with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I just skimmed the entire thread again to find the post in which Legate gives his reasons to suspect me as strongly as he does. I did not find it. Would you help me out, Legate? Either I completely overlooked it (I really hope I didn't - that'd be embarrassing), or I finally have a valid reason to suspect you.

Now looking through my posts, to my embarassment I see I really have not been voicing that much, but I have been thinking about it from very early in the game, since this post:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Mac - joins the general joking around, but does not forget to put a quite lengthy helpful summarisation of our situation (with putting the emphasis on "our" as innocents). That might be a preventive behavior by which he is trying to prove that he is "normal", even though he is a Werelover actually.

This was the first mentioning, and since that time, I had you marked as suspicious, and I kind of counted with the fact that you are No.1 on my list, and everything I saw just made me affirm that. Then I said this:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am not feeling anything especially strange about Rikae, and I have not been paying much attention to their exchanges (rather because I am really not the one for deep analysis of these exchanges), but Mac at least seemed weird to me from the beginning, and I have him marked as one to eventually vote for.

Which was quite plain, if nothing else. And since then you may have counted on that. You were just behaving all the time along the lines "I am your friend, people of Congo", the way you spoke to and about Rikae... okay, although now after reading all that again, you don't seem as suspicious to me as you did before. However there is my problem - I often reevaulate, and either for good or for bad of the concerned person, after re-reading. But now the question is whether I should take heed to this reevaluation and not rather stay behind my former opinion, for which I had some grounds.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Is it just me, or has everyone just said- "Vote me and you're evil"?

Not everybody, but I wonder if it is me who is stupid or the others around here.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay, maybe I'm paranoidly self-centered, but I don't like Mac's suspicion of me because it seems so... easy. He often suspects me, and he's generally been quite good at reading me. This time, he jumps on me all too easily. It looks like an evil Mac who has found a good culprit - someone he often suspects (won't raise eyebrows) and someone he is reputedly rather good at reading (might persuade people to agree with him).

There have been interesting points against Groin and Kitanna. I'm inclined to agree but I'd rather reread and see for myself. The only problem is that it's rather late here...

The problem, darling, is that you raise your eyebrows at many things and go on with many things that the crowd does, yet otherwise behaving un-conflictingly (no suspicions of your own production, so to say). I cannot say I really like that... starting to suspect Mac coming from defending yourself makes me raise eyebrows a bit.

EDIT: x-ed since Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

The problem, darling, is that you raise your eyebrows at many things and go on with many things that the crowd does, yet otherwise behaving un-conflictingly (no suspicions of your own production, so to say). I cannot say I really like that... starting to suspect Mac coming from defending yourself makes me raise eyebrows a bit.

I assure you, if I was a wolf I would have fabricated some nice little suspicion of my own in order to look better. And I know I'm just raising my eyebrows at stuff, but really, what else could I do if a lot of things look a little suspicious to me but nothing really looks mightily suspicious?

And as for all this "Hoy Bresil" stuff, wasn't the game actually called "Hy Brazil"?


edit: xed with Agan, Fea, Legate and Eönwë

[Thinlómien]

I reread the whole thread with no apparent results.

This caught my eye though:

Originally Posted by Mac

Eonwe ~ another one who's being too nice

Too nice? I think he's rather been suspecting everyone. One more point against Mac?

And now I'm toying with the idea of lover pairs of Mac&Fea (he could really pull it off declaring her innocence like that) and Legate&Agan (they're a bit too careful in their interaction).

I'm a little tempted to vote Eomer for submarineishness in case he won't reappear.

Greenie strikes me as pretty innocent even though I really don't understand why does she always suspect me on Day1.


edit: xed with Legate's #138 and onwards...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

If not, then we might get lots of votes for different people (the lovers probably trying not vote the same as their other half) on the later days.

Why? I see no problem with them doing that.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And now I'm toying with the idea of lover pairs of Mac&Fea (he could really pull it off declaring her innocence like that) and Legate&Agan (they're a bit too careful in their interaction).

Yeah, we both are so loyal to you, aren't we Legate my love?
Mac & Fea pair occurred to me as well.

edit: xed with Lal

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why? I see no problem with them doing that.

I edited *gasp* my post to make it understadable. Well, not really edited. Just added a bit.

Basically, my point is that because the posts are so spread out, a groou of misguided villagers or one dtermined couple could change the fate of the village.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah, we both are so loyal to you, aren't we Legate my love?

Of course

Mac & Fea pair occurred to me as well.

Not to me, unless I had to reevaluate Dr. Huhlenstein's fifty-three laws on how things look and what they are.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I assure you, if I was a wolf I would have fabricated some nice little suspicion of my own in order to look better. And I know I'm just raising my eyebrows at stuff, but really, what else could I do if a lot of things look a little suspicious to me but nothing really looks mightily suspicious?

Yes, well. But sure you don't mind if I raise my eyebrows and find you a little suspicious

And as for all this "Hoy Bresil" stuff, wasn't the game actually called "Hy Brazil"?

And I always thought it was Huy Braseal...

[Aganzir]

Well to be honest I only thought they could be a couple because Fea looked like she could possibly be someone's lover and Mac labelled her innocent to straightforwardly. Apart from that I haven't really had a look at their communication with each other, and won't do it now since I don't have time.

I'm planning to vote soon and think I could go for Mac.

edit: xed with Nog & Lal

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

Yes, well. But sure you don't mind if I raise my eyebrows and find you a little suspicious

I'm only offended by people suspecting me when I'm a wolf.

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm planning to vote soon and think I could go for Mac.

I should vote soon too. *sigh* I'm thinking about Mac or Eomer, or maybe even Rikae after all... but somehow, none of those choices feels right.


edit: xed with Mac, Nogrod and Eonwex2