Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Rikae]

Two deaths, and no mention of a ranger save. Can we hope that we only have two lover pairs among us? Two pairs against each other, as well as the rest of the village, would make for an unbalanced game, though.

As for Legate and Lalaith, the first thought that comes to my mind is that both look like classic wolf-kills - players who weren't much suspected, thus unlikely to be lynched, and who leave little trail... maybe there's more to it I'm missing, though.

Now, Sally - I'll have you know, dearie, I don't much appreciate what I see as attempts to intimidate and pressure me into conformity! I vote as I please, thank you very much, and I find the artificial narrowing of the field to the first few people with multiple votes a suspicious, or at least dangerous, move.
In this game, time zones are obviously a major factor. Americans (although not so much those of us on the east coast) are going to find it far easier to be around at the deadline. I don't think that means that we can suppose there is an evil conspiracy among Americans to vote without the rest of the village's input.
(If there is, you're in on it! )
I don't find you suspicious just yet, love - only a bit misguided. Shasta may well be buttering me up - he seems to be following my suspicions a bit.
Well, I suppose we won't see much activity here until after I've gone to bed (even though I'm staying up far too late already for #$@# midterms...) - good night, USA, good morning, Europe, play nice and all that.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Two deaths, and no mention of a ranger save. Can we hope that we only have two lover pairs among us? Two pairs against each other, as well as the rest of the village, would make for an unbalanced game, though.

As for Legate and Lalaith, the first thought that comes to my mind is that both look like classic wolf-kills - players who weren't much suspected, thus unlikely to be lynched, and who leave little trail... maybe there's more to it I'm missing, though.

Now, Sally - I'll have you know, dearie, I don't much appreciate what I see as attempts to intimidate and pressure me into conformity! I vote as I please, thank you very much, and I find the artificial narrowing of the field to the first few people with multiple votes a suspicious, or at least dangerous, move.
In this game, time zones are obviously a major factor. Americans (although not so much those of us on the east coast) are going to find it far easier to be around at the deadline. I don't think that means that we can suppose there is an evil conspiracy among Americans to vote without the rest of the village's input.
(If there is, you're in on it! )
I don't find you suspicious just yet, love - only a bit misguided. Shasta may well be buttering me up - he seems to be following my suspicions a bit.
Well, I suppose we won't see much activity here until after I've gone to bed (even though I'm staying up far too late already for #$@# midterms...) - good night, USA, good morning, Europe, play nice and all that.

Can't stay and chat but I had to tell you. Your post just made my day. (Granted it's 1:30 in the morning so I haven't done much yet, but it amused me. How are you so perky at this time of night?)


Sorry. Off to write a paper, gorrammit. Back when I'm awake.


P.S. Lallie and Legate, especially the former. Bwah?


Discuss amongst yourselves!


EDIT: X'd with Cabbie. Mehbe. I'm not sure; I should have been paying more attention.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

How are you so perky at this time of night?)

Coffee.
*yawn*

Originally Posted by Brinn

Legate I'm more curious about. He had the second most amount of posts and was getting plenty of attention...so why kill him?

An awful lot of the attention he was getting seemed to run along the lines of "Legate is smart and wise and all-good and all-knowing and we should bow down and worship him in grovelling admiration." as far as I could see.
Or, for another possibility, perhaps the lovers are hopeless romantics who thought he couldn't stand to live without Lommy?

Originally Posted by Mac

I think Rikae is too quick to discard the possibility that anything useful can be learned from Lalaith's and Legate's deaths. I will have a look at them later today.

Probably true, studmuffin,, but that's all I was able to come up with - not to mention I generally don't believe a lot can be learned from kills.

I suppose it is possible we have three sets of lovers, and two picked the same person. A wacky idea suggested to me by the Venus scenario in the narration also was that the number of lover pairs might be increasing, somehow, and we could expect greater carnage in the nights to come. Now, that would be devilish - if that's not what Di's doing, perhaps I'll try it someday myself...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum

I am slightly wary (but not suspicious) of Rikae (her reasons for mistrusting Mac didn't have much by way of a foundation), Aganzir (too excited), Lommy (she always bears watching, but I have little say beyond that).

You have to understand the way I am, mein Herr
A tiger is a tiger, not a lamb, mein Herr

Gollum, do elaborate to me how I am too excited.
Someone said on day 1 that I seemed jumpy and then you just came and repeated it. When I asked for reasons, you listed everything I had done by then; speaks much, accuses people &c...
And now, no real suspects, but you're slightly wary of people for poor reasons. Although I find Rikae suspicious myself, I think her reasons for mistrusting Mac were good enough. Besides just a moment earlier you had said you didn't understand why she was voted.
I myself can't see me as too excited. You, of course, have never played with me and don't know how I am, and therefore you should have no way of knowing if I'm excited or not. Was that the best you could come up with? Even if the person you were referring to as too excited was my top suspect, it wouldn't add anything to my suspicions of her. Sorry if I sound aggressive but that's the most stupid reason I have ever been suspected with.
Also you're wary of Lommy because she always bears watching?
It looks like you were just trying to go with the flow and pick up people you thought could be suspected later on. With weak grounds.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Agan's threat to go along, without an actual vote, looks perhaps worse. (It seems she's trying to keep things moving in that direction while avoiding any commitment herself).

It was not a threat, I was thinking aloud. I thought I said I'd prefer voting Mac but I could vote for you, too, since you already had votes so there would even be a chance I could contribute to the lynching of one of my main suspects although I had to vote so early. I changed my mind several times while time passed, but for the life in me I just can't see what's so suspicious in telling who I could possibly vote.

Originally Posted by Rikae

And, Agan, what "points"?

Hmm, I see that in the process of writing my thoughts down, they were reduced only to the following. In my opinion they were still a valid enough reason for suspicion, though.

However, Rikae's certainty that Mac has a role because she hasn't is strange. The point that Di wouldn't make them both ordos is just bad. There's a certain likelihood that two good players get a special role, but there are many others than Mac and Rikae as well - and who knows if the roles were selected randomly? In any case, it definitely isn't a point I would use against somebody, and to me it seems Rikae should know better, too. I don't find it that surprising that Lommy thought her accusations of Mac were a joke.

Originally Posted by Shasta

This kind of screams baddie to me, to be honest. :/

Then get earplugs.

Originally Posted by Rikae

About the point #2 - half serious. It is something that I thought about (not because of our strength as players, but because mods seems to love setting us against each other), but I didn't expect anyone else to take it seriously - except possibly Mac himself: I was interested in his reaction.

I am definitely not the best person to complain about half serious suspicions. Still, it would be so easy for a wolf to throw around random suspicion, get a great many different reactions from people and then say she was just testing the ice. "I didn't except anyone else to take it seriously" is in itself a veiled accusation against people who actually did.

Originally Posted by sally

A couple votes that bother me.

Gwath-->Fea. His reason is listed "because I disagree with her about Mac". Seriously? You don't agree with her so she's a wolf? Seems like fuzzy (aka furry) logic to me.

Rikae-->Agan. Just because it's spreading out the votes even more, and especially this close to the deadline. Trying to complicate things even more right before Sunset is just not cool, my dear.

It somewhat bothers me that those votes bother you. Of course I don't like being voted, especially if I'm not around to defend myself (not that Rikae or Shasta had any accusations against which I should have defended myself at that point, though), but (and I might be in the minority in this one, also) I think everybody should vote the person they suspect the most, no matter if it's close to the deadline or spreads out the votes. From Gwath I want to see more before judging him.

As for the kills, there's one thing I found worth noticing - they both were killed the same way (stabbed through the heart). I don't know if there's a team or if both/all pairs just decided to kill their victims like that, and I'm not going to speculate on it today, either. I just felt the need to point it out.

I wouldn't find it surprising if Legate was killed because of being suspected to be a lover. However, since we don't know how the killers work, I think we should be traditional and concentrate more on what the dead said than what they were possibly thought to be.

By the way, I always suspect Mac and Rikae. Always.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*yawns*
...need coffee...

I wanted to stick my head in and say the following about In Game:

"While we don't know anything for certain, last night was highly beneficial in that some things are at least partially revealed to us which weren't before. For the number-of-Lover-pairs question, I'm willing to assume two pairs due simply to the low odds of multiple baddies picking the same kill on a Night One out of an almost full village."

and
more importantly, Out of Game:

"My Wednesdays have turned into a joke so you're unlikely to see me for the next twelve hours since I barely have time to eat much less play online. Do yourselves a favor and don't kill me while I'm gone."

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

*yawns*
...need coffee...

I wanted to stick my head in and say the following about In Game:

"While we don't know anything for certain, last night was highly beneficial in that some things are at least partially revealed to us which weren't before. For the number-of-Lover-pairs question, I'm willing to assume two pairs due simply to the low odds of multiple baddies picking the same kill on a Night One out of an almost full village."

and
more importantly, Out of Game:

"My Wednesdays have turned into a joke so you're unlikely to see me for the next twelve hours since I barely have time to eat much less play online. Do yourselves a favor and don't kill me while I'm gone."

*seconds the yawning* You know, I love college, I really do. It's just the classes and assignments that I hate.



From Agan's last post, because it caught my eye. (How sad is it that I just scanned through for now and caught bits where people were talking to me. Heh I'll go back and look at everything again later.) I'm glad you don't mind getting voted, dearie -I'll remember it closer to deadline - but it just struck me as odd not that the votes came that close to deadline, but that they introduced new candidates so close to deadline. Mostly it's the fact that it could have easily turned into a last-minute bandwagon and I hate those (for the most part). I'm sorry, I should have made that a bit more clear.


Anyway, final touches on paper. Not a morning person, me. Blah.


P.S. Oh, the theory that maybe Legate was killed because someone thought he was a lover? Very possible. The gifted theory's plausible too. I would think, though, that lovers (if there are more than one team) would want to get rid of their competition first (because then they'd be safe during the Nights) but at the same time I know that -hypothetically, o'course- if I was a wolf I would almost rather get rid of a seer than a fellow baddie. I don't know. I'm going to stop babbling. Sorry.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm glad you don't mind getting voted, dearie -I'll remember it closer to deadline - but it just struck me as odd not that the votes came that close to deadline, but that they introduced new candidates so close to deadline. Mostly it's the fact that it could have easily turned into a last-minute bandwagon and I hate those (for the most part). I'm sorry, I should have made that a bit more clear.

Hey, I said I don't like being voted (but bringing in a new candidate close to deadline is not something I find particularly suspicious)! If it had turned into a last-minute bandwagon, I'd be dead and proven innocent now and you'd at least have something to analyse. Annoying as they might be, I refuse to believe nothing can be found out of them. Besides, what's really the difference between a bandwagon and a last-minute bandwagon? That the votee is not necessarily around.

Originally Posted by sally

I know that -hypothetically, o'course- if I was a wolf I would almost rather get rid of a seer than a fellow baddie. I don't know. I'm going to stop babbling. Sorry.

Well I don't know. If the seer dreams of you, you might still have a plenty of time to kill her since she probably doesn't come out after finding just one baddie. However, if another team chooses to kill you, you're dead that very night. If I was a baddie, I'd much rather get rid of the other baddies before throwing wild guesses about who the seer could be.

I'm getting a bad feeling of sally. The way she reacted to Gwath & Rikae's votes looks somehow so opportunistic. They were after all quite petty things, and somehow she seems to try to make them look bigger than they really are.

[Aganzir]

Lalaith plays so seldom that it would be quite evil to pick her as a random kill (which doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, though. It just seems more likely that there's some actual reason).

Her opinions on people from yesterday:
Innocentish: Nog, Mac, Brinn, and Eomer.
Didn't know what to think of: Gollum, Kitanna, and Greenie.
Didn't know what to think of, but bear watching: Lommy, Fea (the most suspicious of them, got even more slightly suspicious of her later on), and Rikae.
Weird: Legate.
Feels uncomfortable about: Groin (semi-analysis of a handful of players), sally (not sincere-looking), Eönwë (not sincere-looking).
Also wonders if I want to get lynched or dreamed of for some purpose of my own (no, I don't).

Then there are her last two posts which I rather quote here (only the important parts, though) than try to sum up.

Originally Posted by Lal

I want to know what Legate's up to, his posts feel so odd, they aren't making sense to me at all. I also want to know what Agan is up to and I am getting more worried about Fea.
Then there are Groin and Sally, who worried me earlier. (Eonwe too, although he is now worrying me less.)

Originally Posted by Lal

All right, to be clearer: my suspicions are often directed at those who I feel are being confusing, possibly deliberately so, and for a purpose. Is that better?

Now I don't know what to make of her attitude towards Legate. Was he attempted to frame (which failed when he got killed, too), is it a coincidence that they both were killed, do the baddies have a team? Dunno. It's also possible that whoever killed her wanted it to make look bad on me, but I find it less likely since to me it looks more like she was just curious of me rather than actually suspicious. It could also point at either Fea being a baddie and/or someone trying to frame her. Or Groin and sally, maybe even Eönwë. At least to me it isn't that difficult to think so since I suspect them all (with the exception of Eönwë) more or less. But still, you can never know if someone's death points at someone's guilt or a framing attempt.

I skimmed through Lal's posts but couldn't see anything that might have been interpreted as giftedness or evil intents. However, if she got something right, she might have been killed preventively - just in case she was the seer.

I wonder why I do this so often although it never helps me to find reasons why somebody could have been killed. However, I'm going to keep my eye on Fea, Groin and sally anyway.

By the way, just a thought - in a village of 19, how likely is it that there are four baddies, especially as it's possible to kill two for the price of one?

I can say it straight that although I have the energy to post much, I don't have the energy to go through Legate's posts and analyse the causes of his death. That's what one gets for being a flood-poster.

Okay I'm probably off for a while now.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Or, for another possibility, perhaps the lovers are hopeless romantics who thought he couldn't stand to live without Lommy?

Rikae I love you! Let's get married!

I'll be around still for a while because Lommy came online on MSN and apparently wants to talk to me in the lack of some better company.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Agan, how do you keep a wave upon the sand?

Popping in as I'm home sick and didn't go to class today. A thought occurred to me last night; what if we're facing two trios of lovers? That makes more sense - numbers-wise, anyway - than two pairs (four baddies? Really?).

[Macalaure]

I just looked at Legate and Lalaith and found... nothing. Lalaith focussed on Legate and Legate focussed mostly on me, Groin, and Kitanna, but he didn't go after either of them in a way that would have really put them into danger. The people who suspected Legate most are either dead or identical to me. The list of people who mentioned being unsure of him is too long to be helpful.

Eh, I thought I'd come up with more, but I can't think today...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

A thought occurred to me last night; what if we're facing two trios of lovers? That makes more sense - numbers-wise, anyway - than two pairs (four baddies? Really?).

Two trios? I can't help but think that's the most crackpot scheme I've ever heard and this coming from me, who specializes in scheming of the crackpot variety.

Where'd the idea of three come from, and what in the world makes you think it makes sense?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Two trios? I can't help but think that's the most crackpot scheme I've ever heard and this coming from me, who specializes in scheming of the crackpot variety.

Where'd the idea of three come from, and what in the world makes you think it makes sense?

Drink your coffee and calm down, love. *pats shoulder*



That is pretty cracked though. Where did you come up with it? I'm not putting it past Di to be that evil, but I highly doubt it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Agan, how do you keep a wave upon the sand?

Do you mean I'm confusing? A riddle? I don't listen to all you say?

As for Kitanna, I don't think her defense of Mac is that suspicious. I suspect Mac, but I found also those not-entirely-joking suspicions of Rikae's odd and can understand someone else did, too. Is it not possible to defend anyone in this game without being branded a lover?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Sally

it just struck me as odd not that the votes came that close to deadline, but that they introduced new candidates so close to deadline. Mostly it's the fact that it could have easily turned into a last-minute bandwagon and I hate those (for the most part). I'm sorry, I should have made that a bit more clear.

Honey, I still don't get the logic - I can't see how exactly introducing new voting candidates close to the deadline results in an increased possibility of a last-minute bandwagon. I think it gets pretty awful if people vote only for ones someone else has voted as well. That is what causes bandwagons, not bringing new candidates in.

About the Night's kills - it seems obvious that Lal was killed because her death gives practically no traces and because she wasn't being suspected at all. Did anyone even suspect her at any point? As for Legate, I consider it possible that the lovers thought he was a rival lover. I don't believe he was assumed to be a gifted; or at least to my eyes he did not give any gifted vibes whatsoever.

I don't know what to think about the fact that only two people died. As has been said, it's probably either only two lover teams (which would be kind of unfair) or more than two couples who accidentally picked the same victim. There is yet another possibility, which is that we have a ranger and s/he managed to protect last Night but we just weren't informed about it... which would be a bit too cruel of Di. I don't think that's the case, but I felt the need to point out the possibility.

I'll be back with more stuff.


EDIT: x-ed with Groin

[Aganzir]

Guilty

Groin. It's possible he will leave this list after posting more, but for now he's guilty. He treated Legate and me much more differently than was necessary which looked like he didn't really care what he said - what was important was to flatter someone so as to get an ally, suspect someone else.

Gollum. This guy really bothers me. On day 1 Lommy said I was jumpy (because she had misinterpreted my comment). Then Gollum comes, says he finds it hard to trust Lommy and Legate after last game, flatters Legate a bit and says I look jumpy. I asked him for reasons, but I had to ask twice before I got any response. Instead of replying to me right away, he took one sentence of mine out of context (when I complained about how Groin had treated me) and just noted my posts hadn't helped him. Of course my posts wouldn't be very helpful if people just kept ignoring them and the things I ask in them!
Reasons he found me jumpy:

You post often, make long posts, were swift to accuse and are quick to defend yourself. You're also out for lots blood and seem very excited about the game (not that blame you). That is my idea of jumpy.

Everything I had done. I still have no idea where that excited came from, and I'm still waiting for a response.
In his next post, he says:

Originally Posted by Gollum

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention.

I don't know about others, but me that "perhaps I was not paying attention" reminds of a (newbie) wolf who wants to defend someone a bit but while writing the post realises that he has a chance to start suspecting this someone who isn't on his team, so the message kind of changes on the way. For already in his next post he's suddenly slightly wary of Rikae because of her reasons not to trust Mac. And me because I'm too excited. And Lommy because she always bears watching. He thought about voting for me, but didn't have any reasons, and then changed his mind and put Lommy in the lead because "he couldn't bring himself to trust her." Funny that he had agreed on me with Lommy, and his actual reason for voting her was that he couldn't trust her because she had been a wolf in the last game. So yeah, so much for Gollum.

sally. I'll be watching her. Although Rikae or someone said rhetorical questions are a part of her style, I still find them suspicious and I can't help it. I think she overdid her suspicions on Gwath & Rikae's votes a bit. Something in the style makes it look like she intentionally tried to make them look more serious things than they really were. Because of that she planned to vote either of them, more likely Rikae, but thought Lommy was acting strangely, too. Later decided not to create a tie and voted for Lommy.
It's always hard to read sally this early in the game, but right now she doesn't sit right with me.

Fea. I just don't like it how keen she was on discussing the roles. To me it seems a waste of time, and personally I can't understand why anybody with good intents would want to do it since in lack of any certain information it's only guessing and therefore rather useless. I don't see what sense there is in having to repeat that we don't know anything. I fail to see how post #40 works as a metaphor for this game. I find it worrying that she would (even hypothetically) suggest forcing discussion about a specific, and in my opinion unnecessary, topic.
She admitted that we would not get facts from role discussion, but we might have ended up with a better idea of possibilities. But what does it matter if we have possibilities or not? Although Fea said it might have been possible to get someone to slip something, to me it looks more like trying to keep the discussion in the safe area.

Mac. Mostly for the same reasons as yesterday. His first post today (like sally's) has the air of trying to make things look bigger than they really are, though. I don't think Eomer was that bad.

Rikae. Mostly for the same reasons as yesterday. She has felt much more innocent today, though. I will try to view Mac and Rikae a bit more objectively from now on and not to get stuck in the thought that they're baddies since I realised that I suspect them almost always, regardless of my role, or theirs.

Innocent
Kitanna. Nothing alarming.
Brinn. Looks like normal innocent Brinn, at least thus far.
Shasta. Despite voting for me, I think he looks innocent and sincere.

Neither
Nogrod
Gwath
McCaber
Greenie
Eönwë
Eomer

edit: xed with two Greenies, Rikae & Brinn

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

An awful lot of the attention he was getting seemed to run along the lines of "Legate is smart and wise and all-good and all-knowing and we should bow down and worship him in grovelling admiration." as far as I could see.

Yet he managed to gather enough suspicion to receive two votes...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yet he managed to gather enough suspicion to receive two votes...

That's right... silly me. I suppose that's good enough reason to assume he may have been suspected as a rival baddie (for some reason, he didn't seem especially suspected to me).

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

That's right... silly me. I suppose that's good enough reason to assume he may have been suspected as a rival baddie (for some reason, he didn't seem especially suspected to me).

Actually, I don't think he was suspected that much. Eönwë said his vote was random whereas Lalaith thought he was weird and wanted to know what he was up to. He was generally considered quite innocent.

As for Eönwë, I'd really like to hear more from him, not just random comments and vote counts. Of us alive, he has the second most posts and I haven't been able to form an opinion of him at all.

[Macalaure]

I don't understand what Groin's point was with analysing Rikae's first post. It was his only post today so far, and he didn't find anything more worthwhile to contribute?

Originally Posted by Groin

Over all this looks like very wolvish behaviour, and this is just Rikae's first post.

This either means we're going to see analysis of Rikae's other posts, too, or it's an extremely wolvish comment since it maliciously exaggerates his actual points.

Maybe Groin just hasn't yet entirely caught up with what's happening.


I don't like the way Nogrod labeled the kills "good". They were only good for the wolves, not the innocents, and the fact that "good" is the first thing Nogrod was able to think in regards to the kills appears like a Freudian wolf-slip. I mean, sure, that is done not unfrequently by others, but the way Nogrod emphasised it is strange. Then again, wouldn't a wolf be extra-careful not to formulate it this way?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The two kills kind of strengthens my belief in there being at least two competing teams here because the mentality of the team picking Legate looks pretty different from the mentality of the team picking Lalaith.

I'm terribly sorry, but this does sound like a wolf whose mind is a bit too much taken by the implications of an apparently different strategy of the opposing team on the thread.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

A wacky idea suggested to me by the Venus scenario in the narration also was that the number of lover pairs might be increasing, somehow, and we could expect greater carnage in the nights to come.

Now that would be scary.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If the seer dreams of you, you might still have a plenty of time to kill her since she probably doesn't come out after finding just one baddie. However, if another team chooses to kill you, you're dead that very night. If I was a baddie, I'd much rather get rid of the other baddies before throwing wild guesses about who the seer could be.

As well as this, the seer also has a larger chance of finding the other baddies, and getting them lynched, so this also helps the lovers (as well as the rest of the village, obviously). It just makes it easier fir them.

Still reading this page...

[Kitanna]

Moving on to Eomer...
Appears suddenly and votes Rikae after stating:

Well, I'm all for a bit more substance.

Alright. I'll taker this as a time issue.

Most of his first post today was about possible teams of werelovers given two dead in the night, nothing evil there. And then at the end of his post:

As for my vote yesterday, Rikae got it spot on. Pot and stirring. That's all.

Indicating his vote was nothing more than stirring things up. In which case it would be useless to ask why Rikae because it could have been anyone. His other posts really didn't stand to accuse anyone though he commented on my first post of the day being little more than a conformity post. Which leads me to believe I shouldn't speak when under time constraints.

His next post attacks my post once more, showing me I'm better off not speaking.

Kitanna always gets the last laugh. At least some of you should know that by now. Maybe it's because of that dodgy post earlier today; maybe it's just because she's a survivor; maybe it's because she has a history of slaying an entire village with her lover (who would that have been... ). All these are exceptionally valid reasons with little to no need of supportive evidence.

Does my one post really have that big of an effect. And surprise, surprise Eomer voted for me. I'm actually confused as to why Eomer has attacked me in such a way. It's not even that he brings me to the village's attentions, I'm just confused he mentioned no one else. That doesn't seem like Eomer to me. But what do I know?

Originally Posted by Eomer

So... Forgive me for stating the obvious, but I'm confused. Are you and Kitanna lovers? And if so, why would you betray her? Doesn't seem very sportsmanlike.

You can't be bitter about our victory as lovers in the wizards game can you Eomer?

[Kitanna]

To my last suspect, Rikae. I'd like to follow up how I felt yesterday. As I said I felt uncomfortable with her Mac accusation. I could tell it was a joke, but the way she shamelessly put out herself as an innocent. So I'd like to look long and hard at Rikae to see if my uneasiness about her lessens or grows.

First post is the one that made my uncomfortable to begin with. No need to restate myself. Next post is a response to some things Mac had said.
Defends Mac with:

Hmm...
just wanted to add, "jumpiness" is a very easy accusation to use against Mac, since he tends to respond that way regardless of his role. Not saying he's not suspicious, but since we almost certainly have baddies going after each other in this game...

Not highly suspicious given he original accusations were mostly made in jest.

Next she comments on Sally's questions. Says they are employed despite guilt or innocence, sort of in the same way Mac's jumpiness is used I guess. Doesn't really accuse sally.

Second - Sally's rhetorical questions aren't very helpful (I mean, seriously, who's going to suspect Legate for having a "nice little list"?), but seem to be something she uses fairly often, baddie or innocent.

Bolds something she found interesting with one of Agan's posts. Doesn't accuse here either.

Methinks Aganzir, Macalaure, and Lommy are all baddies of some sort.

Doesn't elaborate, but given the rest of her post she didn't to leave at that time.

Returns and comments that Eomer's vote was to stir the pot, but mine was nasty because it followed his immediately. Also comments about Agan's threat to vote for her as well. She doesn't mention Eonwe, though. He said he was going to vote for her for sure before Agan even mentioned possibly voting for Rikae. She also still finds Mac suspicious, but admits to not wanting to for him that day.

She votes for Agan. Don't see anything too suspicious with that vote.

First post of today doesn't strike me as much. Responds to Groin and alerts us to her presence.

Her most recent post brings up the idea perhaps Eomer thought her gifted. But also finds Eomer's behavior strange.

Eomer's behavior is very strange, in that it looks like the old wolf-trap technique of casting a random vote and then turning on the person who follows it, except that the person in question, cross-voted.

Has mild suspicions towards Brinn, I expect something will follow later.

Rikae's first post still has me wondering.

Di wouldn't make both Mac and I ordos. Ergo, he has a role, and, judging by point #1, that role is an evil one.
I realize this point doesn't do anyone any good until I'm dead, but that shouldn't take long when Mac is evil.

However, nothing else she has said really worries me about her and one little jest post (no matter how sinister I feel it may be) is not enough for me to condemn someone as a baddy. For right now I feel better about Rikae, she seems sound and responsible.

Edit: I see Rikae went a looked back on Brinn and found whatever she was worried about was wrong. Also refers to Groin as too lazy to be a bad guy.

[Rikae]

Quick correction:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Her most recent post brings up the idea perhaps Eomer thought her gifted. But also finds Eomer's behavior strange.

Perhaps Eonwe thought I was gifted; Eomer is strange.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Quick correction:

Perhaps Eonwe thought I was gifted; Eomer is strange.

Oh sorry, the Eo names threw me off.