Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Although, I'm still wondering whether I like the fact that a majority of the elected are loud, experienced players. (Yes it's me who's saying this...) I don't doubt their wit, but I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones.

And isn't that what was the purpose of this system? Let the experienced, the wise rule, to order all things for that good which only they can see. Now, those in power may work for the best of the village, not distracted by the random votes of the idle or irresponsible.[/end of Saruman's - crossed with Senator Palpatine's - elitarian speech]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village... I generally dislike that kind of talk, but I can't help thinking about that right. Well, whatever, I trust my own ability to stay critical...

POWEEEEER!!! UN-LIMITED POWEEEEEER!!!!!!!!

Okay, now on more serious note, though (no, not fis-moll). After this short while, I could offer a list of people, repeatedly, with some updated information - that's probably the easiest and most productive thing to do rightaway, as I will be around for a while now, but from then on not until late in the Day.

Before it, though, one more thing: when it comes to the current representatives, I am pretty fine with the people and also with their numbers, and most of all, with the power of votes - nobody here has stronger vote, so that's good, I say. And among us, we may - hopefully - pick the choice which is best for the whole village. Gah, a pity I can't be around in the following hours to discuss. But in the evening (10 or so hours from now) I will.

Anyway, for now, the list I promised... coming in a next post (to check if I didn't x-post with any people).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Why do you ask? It should be obvious that different wolves probably employ different tactics. Also, it should be obvious I may come up with possible wolf tactics but I can't just name one they're most probably all going to use.

Why not? Although I am worried about one possible thing the wolves might do, but not sure if I should talk about it here, nevertheless, I believe the wolves could well think of that themselves. (I'll see yet if I am going to talk about it, but possibly later.)

[satansaloser2005]

Greeeeat. Legate's gone completely mad now.


Crap. Sorry, Lommie dear. I must have accidentally deleted your name from my list of stuff. I don't find you suspicious, if it matters. I actually considered you for a rep too, but forgot to add you to that list as well.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Greeeeat. Legate's gone completely mad now.

Bah! Nonsense. I am perfectly sane, as you can see from my posts.

Okay, well - I am going to be around here for a short while yet, but then I will leave - very soon - and will be back in some, like I said, ten or so hours. So, until then... well, I presume to find loads of pages (but hopefully not too many), and hope there will be good basis to stem from for the voting. I said probably all I could have for right now.

You may also prepare questions for your Representative, voters If you have any.

P.S. Good, Aaanakin, gooooooood... Kill him. (Bah, I should have left that for the lynch )

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey, I thought we all agreed to have these meetings in my cottage. . . I have been waiting for ages!

Anyways is there a summary I can look over?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No. *comforting and pitying smile*

And I am here just now by chance and am leaving. See you in some ten hours, folks.

And good luck, Rune...

EDIT: Or, maybe from the last page or so you can at least gather who the Representatives are for today, and by reading some list get some... well, of course from personal points of view... but some idea of how things are.

[Nerwen]

Okay, I've read through the posts. The problem is that the unusual set-up is making lots of people act rather strangely... no-one's really standing out as wolfish. Here are a few things that struck me, however:

Nogrod's vote for Ilya. The reasoning is fine, but I feel it's a bit out of character from someone who generally favours known "elite" players.

Aganzir for Brinniel. I'd agree with her that Brinn seems sensible, but what does she mean by saying she's "usually trustworthy"?

Diamond18 trying to get in on a "lynch the phantom" ticket, on the grounds that Fea must have picked him. Yes, it's the sort of thing she might do... but then she might do lots of things... it just seems rather opportunistic.

The business with the phantom, Legate, and Boro: "I suspect you... no, wait, you're fine, I'll vote for you instead" ...seems a little choreographed, rather like what I thought I saw with Shasta, tp and Brin earlier... Hmmn. They can't all be wolves.

And now that the appropriately-named Legate is in power, what is he up to?:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

POWEEEEER!!! UN-LIMITED POWEEEEEER!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Legate - is the Sith Lord! Are you sure, Anakin? Stay here. - You are under arrest, Chancellor. Are you threatening me, Master Jedi? Bzzzz!

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Good, Aaanakin, gooooooood... Kill him.

X'd with Rune, Legate.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

There seem to be only one question that needs to be asked: Why would anyone vote for Brinniel?

Latter on I might ask the same about Aganzir, but surely that is just a case of "early-stage madness"

OK I have not read through everything that has happened and I am basing this on my previous experience with these two individuals, but surely you would want a representative with a bit of an edge and not a compromise of a person. . .neither do you want a raving lunatic. (exept if it is a raving Lhunatic)

Naturally I would have been the obvious choise and people should have done more to get hold of me or atleast have voted for visionaries like Mormegil in my absense. . . . Mormegil is my enemy and wrong in many ways, but atleast he has visions!

I will expect to get at least 50% of the votes either from Representatives, the wolves or the next time we elect representatives.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

There seem to be only one question that needs to be asked: Why would anyone vote for Brinniel?

Latter on I might ask the same about Aganzir, but surely that is just a case of "early-stage madness"

OK I have not read through everything that has happened and I am basing this on my previous experience with these two individuals, but surely you would want a representative with a bit of an edge and not a compromise of a person. . .neither do you want a raving lunatic.

What a way to talk about members of our elected government!

I agree, nonetheless (forgot to include this in my last post) that it's rather peculiar that Aganzir got in this time, when I believe she's only made one post.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I will expect to get at least 50% of the votes either from Representatives, the wolves or the next time we elect representatives.

So you want to die? Do you just feel too guilty inside?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I agree, nonetheless (forgot to include this in my last post) that it's rather peculiar that Aganzir got in this time, when I believe she's only made one post.

Hmm... (It was actually 2, but still). I am going to have to make a list of the quick (in part 1) reps that got voted for seemingly out of nowhere. At least, after I finally finish catching up.

[Thinlómien]

First off, I'm glad to see Nerwen and Rune around.

Originally Posted by sally

Crap. Sorry, Lommie dear. I must have accidentally deleted your name from my list of stuff. I don't find you suspicious, if it matters. I actually considered you for a rep too, but forgot to add you to that list as well.

Never mind. I was just wondering...

Originally Posted by Legate

I am more interested in those who voted her, for she A) said pretty plainly that she won't have probably much time (in fact, at least on me it made the impression as if she were almost like rejecting the Rep position for toDay), B) really said just very little to get any much reading from her. And I think that goes for everyone, not just me. So I am most curious about those who voted her (Shasta and Brinn). The more about Brinniel, since it was voting back.

That's a fair point. But, on the other hand, you and Nogrod also mentioned having RL hurries yet both of you were still elected too...

Originally Posted by Legate

Observer, that's the word, and it is like, chime in, chime out, I am around, and I said something do you recall? Yes, you said something, but if we stopped for longer, we don't recall what, because it was almost nothing.

Well, everybody has a different style so I don't think we can condemn observers but we can condemn using it as a sort of pre-warning excuse for possible future actions...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Nogrod's vote for Ilya. The reasoning is fine, but I feel it's a bit out of character from someone who generally favours known "elite" players.

Why so? Nogrod always tries to make quiet people talk more...

Originally Posted by sally

Greeeeat. Legate's gone completely mad now.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And now that the appropriately-named Legate is in power, what is he up to?

I think we can make the obvious conclusion that we should not vote him as a representative in future - just to ensure his own sanity, health and safety, right?

Originally Posted by Legate

You may also prepare questions for your Representative, voters If you have any.

Now this reminds me of something I thought of doing and I could recommend it to everybody else too. Read through the representatives' posts (and don't grumble to me, I did not vote tp, or Boro, or Legate, or Nogrod ) posts and question and challenge their points. They need that.

And besides, all the normal case-making and talking/argumenting with fellow players should obviously go on all the time. Not being a representative is no excuse to laze around for the latter half of the Day.


edit: xed with Nerwen

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, seems like nothing much, only Lommy's list, and that is not going to now change my opinions much. So, here goes mine:

Aganzir - It will be most interesting to see her as a rep; she did not give any special suspicious vibes this far. I am more interested in those who voted her, for she A) said pretty plainly that she won't have probably much time (in fact, at least on me it made the impression as if she were almost like rejecting the Rep position for toDay), B) really said just very little to get any much reading from her. And I think that goes for everyone, not just me. So I am most curious about those who voted her (Shasta and Brinn). The more about Brinniel, since it was voting back. But as for Agan herself, I have nothing much about her in person.

Boromir88 - this far seems reasonable, active, in fact (I forgot to say it yesterday), I am happy to see him around. I believe that if he is actively around, his questioning of people may be helpful and eventually thwart some Wolvish plots, let's say, to misguide people. Even if he were a Wolf himself, I am not that sure if he'd be capable of making too much harm with this.

Brinniel - Well, what I said. Her nomination does not worry me per se, but I need to get more reading about her and, what worries me slightly, is her Agan-vote (cf. above). Otherwise, however, her recent posts seem to have an innocent-ish tone to me.

Diamond18 - no change since the last time. Hard to say.

Eönwë - makes me worried because of the little he says, complains, and for his a bit "by-the-way" vote for Greenie (but since all his appearance around here was more like "by-the-way", it is in fact just natural). Anyway, really would like to see more for him, but rather don't like him that much: a careful WW, perhaps?

Gil-Galad - no change since the last time. Nothing to say.

Greenie - I am now wondering whether it wouldn't have been interesting to see her as a Rep after all, but well, whatever. This far, I still stand with looking at her more like on an innocent.

Gwathagor - I wish I could get a better reading on him now, for I am somewhat worried - not sure why, right now it's more of a gut feeling, and I think that behind his vote for Nog there may be some sinister intentions (get a fellow Nogwolf among the Reps based on the simple premise that we all think Nog is a reasonable player, therefore the vote won't strike anybody as awkward? An attempt to win innocent Nog's goodwill by voting him? Etc.) It is just a gut feeling, though: on a more general platform, I have nothing special to say on Gwathagor, and I should probably, for the future, look more carefully at his posts.

Ilya - seems very good this far, nothing to complain; let's see how she proves herself.

Legate - is the Sith Lord! Are you sure, Anakin? Stay here. - You are under arrest, Chancellor. Are you threatening me, Master Jedi? Bzzzz!

Lommy - Innocent-seeming, I would say, like an innocent Lommy would be.

Kath - Slipping. Under. The. Radar.

McCaber - looks like a classic Cabbie to me this far, and no reasons to suspect for now.

mormegil - I could just copy what I said in my earlier list: his behavior is just morm-ish, which means a bit scary to me, but he looks like having good points and such.

Nerwen - good now to see that she is back, that makes me wonder less what's wrong with her. So, a slate clean and now let's see what she does once she is here.

Nogrod - well, what I said before: reasonable, quite helpful, all that stuff, and let's see what he does as a Representative; the only thing I am a bit wondering about is his idea of giving a Rep post to somebody quiet. I can see the logic he presents (get them to speak), but I could also see it (if it was so) as a way to get a fellow quiet Wolf among the Reps. Of course, though, with the vote for Ilya (whom I think innocent) I won't think this that probable.

Rune - probably summoning Holger Danske from the bottom of the mug instead of voting around here.

Sally - Of course, especially because of the great support of myself, a very good person, for certain. Really, though, nothing wrong with her, and seems innocentish, very genuinely Sally-ish.

Shasta - I really, did not like some of his posts recently (around the time I voted) and I really, really, really don't like the vote for Aganzir - a kind of throwaway (in the sense: for somebody who was not around almost at all, a vote likely to disappear, while still not bringing Shasta into attention by that he wouldn't vote at all - a vote of a Wolf who is afraid to vote for a comrade, but afraid to vote for a "strong" player)? Wolf-on-wolf? Out of nowhere? vote.

The Ka - Now I wondered how to express that, but I see Lommy phrased it in her last post pretty well, so using her words: "She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much")". Observer, that's the word, and it is like, chime in, chime out, I am around, and I said something do you recall? Yes, you said something, but if we stopped for longer, we don't recall what, because it was almost nothing. Unsettling.

the phantom - Well, as for the vote for me, if I could see it as a last-minute choice, I can see the logic behind it - it won't strike me as suspicious as Brinn's vote for Aganzir, at least. Otherwise, what I said - he seems like reasonable and hopefully having the best intentions of the village in mind. So, "I hope you won't fail the trust you put in me" could be my motto in regards to him now (that's not a typo. That's intentional ).