Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rune

In post 801 and 805 Boromir reveals to us all that the wolves are trying to frame him and 821 he admits that it was indeed him who masterminded Aganzir’s death. What can one make of this, other than Boromir is confident that his actions are controlling the wolves actions.

I think there is a slight contradiction between the two statements, because if it was Boromir (and Phantom) who masterminded the kill of Aganzir. . . .then basically Boromir framed him self!

Nope. We were trying to make the kill look attractive to the Wolves. Part of that attraction is the way that the kill might be used to set people up to be lynched. So there is nothing at all contradictory about it. Boro set up Agan, most likely aware at the time that part of what would make her attractive is the fact that her kill might be used to point back at him.

His error was this- he trusted most of the villagers to be able to resist the WW counter-attack.

As far as his "trap" which caught you, I'm not sure what to say. I can't recall if he fully explained the workings of it, and that would help me know what to think. But I'm sure he's aware of the possibility that traps misfire. I wonder if his surety that he has caught someone is in part false, for some reason or another.

But I have no more time- I must go to work. Be back later.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Nope. We were trying to make the kill look attractive to the Wolves. Part of that attraction is the way that the kill might be used to set people up to be lynched. So there is nothing at all contradictory about it. Boro set up Agan, most likely aware at the time that part of what would make her attractive is the fact that her kill might be used to point back at him.

His error was this- he trusted most of the villagers to be able to resist the WW counter-attack.

It still makes his initial reaction seem odd, to run out and say "I am being framed". . . only to "seconds" later proclaim it was all part of the plan.
At the very least it was clumsy.

[Thinlómien]

I think I've solved the mystery of Boro and phantom - they must be lovers.

[Nerwen]

I think you've got it, Lommy.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think I've solved the mystery of Boro and phantom - they must be lovers.

yes, but could you please focus on the game!?



EDIT: Sorry that was a really bad joke

[Boromir88]

You're not making sense right now Rune.

It still makes his initial reaction seem odd, to run out and say "I am being framed". . . only to "seconds" later proclaim it was all part of the plan.

Because of that statement you say I could be a wolf who was nervous about what Agan's death would lead to. How is it nerves?

I said before the night, Agan was an intense interrogator and investigator, and P.S.'ed that I just signed her death warrant. So why would I be nervous about what Agan's death would mean for me? How does any of my language speak to me being nervous...I thought I was giving a different impression; after all I said "I doubt the intelligent villagers would fall for such an obvious trick."

When tp asked what trick, I thought it would have been obvious that I am anything but nervous.

But see, here's what doesn't make sense about your post against me Rune, you bring up to contradictory points to raise suspicion against me. I'm not only nervous but I've been "cocky."

The next big thing was the way he handled his battle with Morm, “calling him out”, accusing him of backing away and being very cocky saying he want Morm to be a Rep.~Rune

That was my test for morm, to see if he really had the nerve, he did. So why would I vote for someone who is sure of my guilt, when I'm assured of my innocence?

Of course his new case against me does not help, apparently I walked into a trap. . . but why would anyone other than wolves lay traps for Ordos?

The truth is anyone who would ally themselves with morm's case so strongly to say "send me into the dark abyss," is someone I'm highly suspicious of. A lot of people seem to be looking with this at least with an objective eye, you and morm have not. Thus, my logic is since you two are assured of my guilt, and I know I'm innocent, you can't be innocent. It may be rather twisted logic, but I told you I'm done analyzing. The fact is, when I die, if you are indeed innocent you would not want to be allying yourself with morm. Well even if you're a wolf, it might be the wise choice to stab him in the back.

Boromir’s guilt, but bottom line is that he is my top suspect at the moment.

Like what?

Apparently the quiet ones that try to stay friends with everybody is not so wolf like any more. . . .

You know as well as I do this is a redundant statement. Because you know as well as I do we can't pigeon hole wolves into one single category.

The fact is I'm confident I have two wolves...are you sure you have one?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

You're not making sense right now Rune.


Because of that statement you say I could be a wolf who was nervous about what Agan's death would lead to. How is it nerves?

I said before the night, Agan was an intense interrogator and investigator, and P.S.'ed that I just signed her death warrant. So why would I be nervous about what Agan's death would mean for me? How does any of my language speak to me being nervous...I thought I was giving a different impression; after all I said "I doubt the intelligent villagers would fall for such an obvious trick."

When tp asked what trick, I thought it would have been obvious that I am anything but nervous.

But see, here's what doesn't make sense about your post against me Rune, you bring up to contradictory points to raise suspicion against me. I'm not only nervous but I've been "cocky."

The point about being nervous was aimed at the way you started the day, that should be clear. Your reaction to Aganzirs death did the exact oposite of what you apparently intended and as I said it seemed like a very strange way to tackle the situation.

Now about the cockiness, that has to do with the way you acted later together with The Phantom when questioned.

So there is no contradiction, you have behaved differently at different times during the day and I just happened to find some of you actions suspicous.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

That was my test for morm, to see if he really had the nerve, he did. So why would I vote for someone who is sure of my guilt, when I'm assured of my innocence?


The truth is anyone who would ally themselves with morm's case so strongly to say "send me into the dark abyss," is someone I'm highly suspicious of. A lot of people seem to be looking with this at least with an objective eye, you and morm have not. Thus, my logic is since you two are assured of my guilt, and I know I'm innocent, you can't be innocent. It may be rather twisted logic, but I told you I'm done analyzing. The fact is, when I die, if you are indeed innocent you would not want to be allying yourself with morm. Well even if you're a wolf, it might be the wise choice to stab him in the back.

Yet another test. . .fair enough I am going to buy it.

So if I had said to Morm "here you go Morm, send Boromir to the comfortable chair that awaits him" I would not be a suspect.

It seems very much like your are basing your theory on the fact that I spiced up the language a bit and that seems odd, considering your style of play.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

You know as well as I do this is a redundant statement. Because you know as well as I do we can't pigeon hole wolves into one single category.

The fact is I'm confident I have two wolves...are you sure you have one?

Yes I know that you cannot put all into one category, but why point something like that out and then focus soly on people who do not fit it.

No I am not confident that I have a wolf and it is very unwise of you to think so!
As a villager all I can do is trying to track down the wolves and that is what I am doing, but I have been in this game long enough to know that there is a huge risk that you are wrong.

EDIT: Cross Posted With Everybody Since Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by tp

Now, all of this nonsense about questioning my Seer dream statements. To me, it seems as if you're asking, "You seem sure that you've been a dream already. Who is the Seer, Phantom?"

Ok, fine, well if that's why you think you've been dreamt of - alright. You may have an idea who's the seer and that s/he has dreamt of you. BUT: You cannot expect us to take your word of it and thus it's a very silly argument for your innocence. Period.

Originally Posted by the phantom

What I must ponder is this- are the WWs driving this bus, or have Ordos been swept into the Wolf plot so much so that they are driving this thing?

So one cannot suspect you if s/he's not either a wolf or brainwashed by one?

Originally Posted by tp

So tonight, I do indeed hope to leave the village honorably via Wolf-kill.

I cannot see any reason why the wolves would like to kill you. So don't be silly...

Originally Posted by Boro

You'll love this one too Lommy, I'm actually in the process of another ploy right now, but if I told you right now, I'd have to kill you - or well make sure you wouldn't tell the world.

Ah, I guess I don't mind. After all, one could say I've started to work on a ploy of my own as well...

Originally Posted by Greenie

I don't like a situation where a few players can basically turn away every suspicion concerning their weird behaviour saying "Oh, that was a ploy, but of course you are too silly to understand advanced WW-playing. *sigh*"

Totally agreed.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Rune and Green have twice made morm a Rep.
morm has made Lommy a Rep.
Nerwen has made Lommy a Rep.
Lommy has made Nerwen and Shasta a Rep.
Shasta has made Nerwen and Lommy a Rep.

Any theories on what could possibly be going on with these individuals?

Obviously, morm, Nerwen, Shasta and I are wolves together.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well morm, I've often been able to read him as well, and I am not feeling a WW.

Haha, may I become the third member of "I have been good at reading Boro" club? My problem is only that I usually get very strong and accurate vibes pointing to one way or another, but this time, there are no vibes at all...

Lastly, I've been thinking... we shouldn't lynch tp or Boro toDay. However annoying they are. I suggest keeping an eye on them for they are acting mighty suspiciously, but I'd really rather keep them around for a while more (a Day or two) since there is nothing extremely serious against them and they will provide more and more evidence againt or for themselves as the game goes on. You may call me an elitist or a turncloak, I know - but I'd hate to lose players like them in vain. If they're innocent, they're a huge asset to the village.

That is, they would be a huge asset if they weren't such a distraction. I therefore suggest (or to phrase better, echo the earlier suggestions) that we should stop focuing on them like this. And that "we" means all of us, even the gentlemen themselves. We're assisting the wolves by this single-mindedness, especially if Boro and tp are innocent.

I'm a good example of this silliness - the only people I've really suspected toDay are these sirs. Does an attitude like that get us far? No. Even if these two are wolves, there are still be two more wolves to catch.

That being said, I'm hoping to have time to even skim read through this whole village, or at least toDay and yesterDay, and hopefully emerge with some points concerning some people and getting this discussion really rolling in other directions too...

I may throw in as a sort of gut-feeling that I think that Ilya is a wolf, after all. Possibly Nerwen and Rune too. Hmmm... who would I throw in as the last one? Ka?


edit: xed with Nerwen, funny Runne and Boro

[Boromir88]

Period.~Lommy

I love how I come up with all kinds of snazzy habits like that one, and a Legate 180, and certain people still want to lynch me?

And that "we" means all of us, even the gentlemen themselves. We're assisting the wolves by this single-mindedness, especially if Boro and tp are innocent.

Well said, couldn't agree more. So...

:: pssp :: I would ask you direct your attention to morm...he's been skating far too freely throughout this village so far. ::end hint::

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Nope. We were trying to make the kill look attractive to the Wolves.

My problem here is how you say 'we'. How can you and Boro actually coordiante anything unless you are discussing things and the only ones who are able to discuss is the wolves.

I've only read up to this point now.