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Old 01-14-2009, 12:53 PM   #1
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If the narration is too obscure...

Brinniel was the critics' target. Bowie was modfired ..I couldn't resist the duet. Still trying to find something worthy of Fea....
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:04 PM   #2
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I was just going to suggest the other soulmate should stay hidden so not to obscure data/information before making a kill choice.

Well, now that's pointless, thanks Agan. P.S. I'm convinced.

And that also means I now have to scrap my entire opening post, because I was going to set up a defense of monstrous proportions for you. So, thank you times deux.
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:05 PM   #3
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The only quote he had was But maybe I've a glimmer of potential from Be Prepared.
Yes, I finally figured that out last night. I knew there was something weird about that post, but I was going about it the wrong way. I guess I haven't watched Lion King enough recently. I didn't recognize the lyrics. I had to type them into Google to finish the connection.

Early on I thought Bowie and Sally were the pair (because they both made the same error in spelling), but after I questioned Sally about her spelling and she didn't respond to it in the expected way, I scratched that idea. So all I was left with was that Bowie had made that one oddly worded post. Surely it had to mean something.

And Google told me it did.
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:29 PM   #4
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I considered staying hidden but decided I wasn't in a mood for defending myself the whole day, especially as all the evidence pretty much pointed at me. And you're welcome, Boro.

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Boromir seemed to think Aganzir was gifted, yesterday, but then she denied it.
I don't think I specifically denied it. I just said no one would have believed me even if I had declared yesterday.

I'm curious about how many caught the hint(s). As far as I know, at least sally and Fea (and tgwbs, but he clearly didn't notice anything ) are familiar with the Lion King. Given that, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the wolves had been aware of us for some time already. I would suppose they wanted to get rid of us as soon as possible, so I'll probably want to take a look at those who suspected me or really wanted a double lynch yesterday. Of course different wolves may have reacted differently, though, and it's not certain they even knew of us.
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:48 PM   #5
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So Brinn and Strongbow are gone? Ok then.

Well, I wish I was more aquanited with The Lion King now. And considering I spent most of the summer listening to "Be Prepared"(it was shuffled one day and I kind of got hooked) I should have caught something. Then again, I'm not at all familiar with David Bowie.

I think I need to go back through the posts and see who thought Brinn was suspicious as well as who she was suspicious of. That might give a clue as to who killed her.
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:14 PM   #6
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It's good that Aganzir has a proof of her role, she probably wouldn't have been believed otherwise (at least not by me).

If she was not tgwbs's second dream, then either he dreamt of Fea in Night 2 only (hence he was only certain of her being a critic from then on) and perhaps Boro in Night 1, or I fear he probably dreamt of me in Night 2, hence his suspicion of Aganzir (her vote for Nogrod and her case against me).

I'm a bit surprised about the kill. Brinniel has often been killed when nobody better was to be found, but I'd say this time there was. I need to have a look at her.
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:53 PM   #7
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I'm a bit sick today, so I only took a look at Brinn's posts from yesterDay.

She's careful about conclusions from the seer's posts and isn't even certain of Fea. She thus is against the double lynch, which must've put her higher on the critics' wish list. She let go of Gollum, which makes him look even more innocent to me.

She then was one of the few ones who looked at the Ilya voting. Sadly, I'm the one who comes out most suspicious. Boro and Kath are considered more innocent.

After her vote she said she wanted to give an analysis of everyone but didn't have the time. (Could one of the critics be a submarine-type who was afraid of no longer floating by after that analysis?) She's suspicious of Sally.

Conclusion (if you can call it that): Sally doesn't look too well. Gollum is probably innocent. Boro and Kath look innocent, too, but both are able to pull a bluff like this and kill somebody who is likely to defend them. Neither is on top of my list right now, though.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:00 PM   #8
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On Boro & Fea's interaction

On day 1 Boro deduced Fea had made a fake confession when saying she was a wolf. He also said that tgwbs's and Fea's lists were different from Brinn's, whose list was more suspicious as she looked like she didn't want to step on anyone's toes. Well Brinn was an ordo whereas both tgwbs and Fea had special roles.

Then there's this little exchange concerning Fea & phantom's code talk, which I believe was one of the things that I found a bit alarming at first. However all the time that I was reading through Fea's posts I thought it was about communication between a critic and the cobbler so that might explain it. It's mostly the catching things part...
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Boro - good to see you're catching things. Don't drop the ball.
I have safe hands.

Boro what did you mean with the following?
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I'm waiting on one more thing from her, if I see it, I would bet she's innocent, if not - well you can guess.

While reading through Fea's posts after tgwbs's death, I noticed her use of the word follow. Dunno if it means anything, but it's repeated thrice, which seems to me to be more than necessary. Underlinings mine.
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Does the Cobbler/Spy get to find out the role of the person s/he spies on, or is that information given only to the Critics? Because if the Cobbler knows her/his marks, than there's an extra player on the side of evil who knows that who s/he may or may not be voting for is ordo. Do you follow?
I think it looks like Fea was trying to fish for a reaction from the cobbler. Unless I missed a post, Boro was the only one who replied to it.
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I can't see how the cobbler would be able to pass on info that xe didn't know xeself. (Did I use that properly?) That would make a giant continuity problem within the fabric of the performance.
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Cobbler sends choice to Mith, Mith sends choice to Critics. I envision it sort of like the Cobbler picks up a packet of information which xe never gets to read. Of, of course, Cobbler PMs Mith, Mith PMs back, Mith PMs Cobbler. I know Mith used the phrase 'blind drop' and I assume that means that the Cobbler doesn't get to PM the Critics (that the Cobbler doesn't know their identity) but I just wondered if it meant that the Cobbler doesn't actually know the info that xe is acquiring.
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But see the massive inconsistancy? How could you justify a dead drop info to the wolves if the Cobbler doesn't know the info xe is dropping off? Xe's a sneak, not a hallucinajenic.
Boro's responses don't look very much like he was giving cobbler hints to Fea. I think this discussion was another thing that made me doubt his intentions, though. Just because he was the only one who responded.

Another quote with follow, and I really have no idea if this means anything or not.
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On a more-serious-than-movie-reference note, isn't this essentially what we do even when he's not OG? We know he wasn't a critic, and we know he wasn't The Cobbler, but just as if he was still playing, we don't know his priorities (apart from 'himself') and we know he has no special other knowledge he can give us. So I propose this: it's dangerous to assume he's a declared innocent, because he's not: he's a declared OG, which, if you've watched the musical/movie or read the book, Erik was a nutjob serial killer with an absolute skill at torture and manipulate. The trapdoor king. So I propose: we listen to him about as much as we normally do: if his suggestions seem reasonable, we take a shot. If he sounds a bit too much like himself, we skip it.

Everybody follow?
And the last one which was directed at Boro, again with follow.
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Versus you... now you're usually not so forgiving to me as oh, say... I am. So why the switch now?

Unless you're trying to save me.

If you can't, I say you... take advantage. If you follow.
I don't quite know if I should make anything of that. I believe Fea was trying to find the cobbler, but it's still possible that xe didn't realise it or want to risk giving xemself away, and Fea tried to frame Boro who had reacted to it.

Tgwbs had Boro listed as the most innocent but I don't know if it means anything. Despite this all I'm inclined to believe he dreamed of Fea, maybe on night 1, just because it would suit tgwbseer so well. And it's possible he put my name next to Fea's just so as not to be so obvious, or because he thought I looked as suspicious as she (it happens surprisingly often when people play with me for the first time in ages).
He found Boro innocent already on day 1, and I can't see why he'd later dream of someone he considered innocent. An innocent Mac could have been his night 2 dream, especially given his sudden turn on me then.
A Boro dream is possible but nothing that should be taken for granted.

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What on earth is this?
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Also Boro, when did you figure out my role?

And people, I haven't decided yet who I am going to kill, and I'd like to know your opinions as well because otherwise there's a risk I only choose between those I've paid more attention thus far.

Mac, it's also possible the wolves wanted to encourage suspicions against an innocent sally when killing Brinn.

edit: xed with two Gollums
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:11 PM   #9
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That was unexpected.

Boromir seemed to think Aganzir was gifted, yesterday, but then she denied it. Well, I am glad that we do not have to waste another lynching opportunity - I was quite disappointed that Fea and Aganzir were not killed in one blow, but now it is evident that TGWBS did not dream of both after all and we can maybe find a known innocent in his posts (though I doubt it will be obvious enough for us to fully trust such a hint).

I will have a look through some of the previous posts now that we have some more information, though I'll leave analysing Fea's contributions to someone less prone to frustration.
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