T-I-G LV Sing when you're winning

[Lariren Shadow]

But do we really believe Kath and Boro? If Kath's only proof is her word and Boro saying he's the cobbler and spied on her then who do we believe? Yes, Kath could have known her role the whole time. Yes, Boro could be the cobbler. But what if the cobbler didn't spy on Kath? It seems more obvious that the cobbler would spy on Mac, the phantom, Fea, and Agan. From what I've seen of the game those seemed to be the most obvious choices. I'm not saying I'm the cobbler but to me that would be who I would spy on(well, and from what I've heard of previous games from Fea).

That being said, what if Boro is an ordo? I've heard of(again Fea) being an ordo and playing to the wolves. I mean, I seem to remember her saying something like that once. Would Boro do the same thing?

It seems the people are really quick to believe Kath as the diva and really quick to believe Boro as the cobbler. To me, that just doesn't seem like anything else that's happened in the game, with the exception of Fea's obvious guilt.

And wow, I mentioned her a lot in this post. Didn't really mean to do that.

[Aganzir]

Why do you think those are the cobbler's choices?

It's possible Boro is innocent, I just find it unlikely. It's also possible he's a critic (hmm I forgot that from my previous post where I listed what he could be). He could very well try to kill the real cobbler and make himself look good.

I believe Kath is the diva because she looked innocent even before her reveal & she revealed in a convincing way. I don't believe Boro is a baddie just because of his reveal - as a matter of fact I xed with it when writing a post why I thought he could be the cobbler.

[satansaloser2005]

Just a warning that I won't be posting much/often for the rest of the day. Not doing something that's conducive to sneaking.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why do you think those are the cobbler's choices?

To me, they seem the most likely to have been dreamed of. From seeing the whole Mac suspicions on the first day, knowing about the phantom previously as well as Fea, then those seemed like the best. Plus, not going to lie, if I were the cobbler, saw you listed with Fea at the bottom I would spy on you with the possibility that you were another wolf.

But I'm not the cobbler, those are only how I would see a cobbler voting.

[Boromir88]

--Boro

All I can say is today I would like not to be lynched. If I say I'm a critic, everyone (critics included) would want me lynched immediately, and then I'm really dead. If I said I was Walter I was thinking well maybe not everyone, because at this stage Walter counts in our vote tally and now we don't want Walter dead. Walter serves no more purpose to the critics, he only counts in our favour. So, I thought if I faked Walter, there would be a less likely push for my immediate lynching. Plus, I would hope to prove my own innocence, drag out the real Walter, and get us down to 3 unknowns.

I guess I've said all that, and repeating won't help. But what about the effort to save Mac yesterday? And then above everyone else Mac is killed at night? The critics saved him and then killed him, to either silence him, or make themselves look better.

Mac votes for sally, retracts and votes Gwath.
Lari votes Mac, retracts and votes Gollum
sally votes Gollum at the end.

[Boromir88]

It's possible Boro is innocent, I just find it unlikely. It's also possible he's a critic (hmm I forgot that from my previous post where I listed what he could be).~Agan

I'm not a critic. I will say I'm not walter either, but that will be harder to prove considering what I've posted and said.

But, I can prove I'm not a critic. Whether you believe it or not...well that will be up to you.

[Aganzir]

Hmm I think Mac voted for Gollum. He considered voting Gwath, though.

Go ahead and try, Boro.

[Aganzir]

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow. Therefore it might be better not to take unnecessary risks and kill whichever we can find instead of accidentally lynching an innocent.

[Aganzir]

Lari I would imagine the cobbler tries to spy on those who xe thinks are gifteds. It would be practically a wasted night if xe spied on a critic... at least for the critics. It could help the cobbler though.

Why does it looked like Mac was spied on on night 1? Back then it was a thing only the cobbler knew and if there was suspicion against him, the critics couldn't (possibly) know he had been (possibly) spied on.

edit: xed with Gwath

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why does it looked like Mac was spied on on night 1? Back then it was a thing only the cobbler knew and if there was suspicion against him, the critics couldn't (possibly) know he had been (possibly) spied on.

Did I say he was spied on Night 1? If I did I didn't mean to. But spying on Mac after Day 1 would have been a good move for the cobbler because of all the Mac suspicion. Either xe gets an innocent or a wolf or a gifted. I mean, with all the suspicion going around on Day 1 it seemed like both the cobbler and the seer would have probably spied on Mac.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow.

Are you sure? I've been under the impression that if we didn't get a Critic toDay, it would all be over.

[Gwathagor]

No, yeah, you're right. I just counted, and we'd be in bad shape toMorrow, but not completely finished.

Oh, crossed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow. Therefore it might be better not to take unnecessary risks and kill whichever we can find instead of accidentally lynching an innocent.

Fair point. Still five players, but two critics and three ordos instead of two critics, two ordos, and Walter.

[Boromir88]

Hmm I think Mac voted for Gollum. He considered voting Gwath, though.~Agan

I don't know, I was going off sally's vote tally...

Mac-->Gwath at 12:20pm
retraction of Mac-->Sally at 11:51am

The day Fea was lynched, people were talking about our interactions and everything...ok, and I told you to go take a deeper look. And by the way when you quoted my "Be Prepared" thing, I was responding to Lari. I just wanted to reference my favorite song sung by an amazing villain (By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).

Ok, now back to the day Fea was lynched...I came out and Mac raised his arms up in the air and said it looked evil because it appeared I was trying to argue that Fea was never dreamed of thus Fea was innocent. Which I wasn't trying to do, no one gave me the chance to get to Day 2. Anyway, say I am a critic with Fea, and either we devised a plan to defend her or sacrifice her, (if I was a critic, I would throw her under the bus no problem...but that's besides the point).

Now, don't you think we would have had a clearly communicated plan to either defend or sacrifice? Look at the posts, I did some severe back-pedalling and echoed tp and Mac. Fea and I were not on the same page that day, thus I never had any communication with her, either directly or by a dead drop.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Agan's post I was responding to.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

(By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).

I am going to look that up right now.

[Boromir88]

I am going to look that up right now.~Gwath

I think it's Wonderful Tonight. I would link it, but from this computer youtube doesn't work well. It would take about 15 minutes to load.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And by the way when you quoted my "Be Prepared" thing, I was responding to Lari. I just wanted to reference my favorite song sung by an amazing villain (By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).

I know you were responding to her, but Be Prepared is so my thing that it certainly occurs to me that it was directed at me when I see it somewhere.
And ooh I didn't know. *goes to look it up* (<-- drooling smiley)

Originally Posted by Boro

Now, don't you think we would have had a clearly communicated plan to either defend or sacrifice?

Yes, one could think so. However (call me stubborn) it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't mean you couldn't be the cobbler.

edit: xed with Gwath & Boro

[Boromir88]

Yes, one could think so. However (call me stubborn) it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't mean you couldn't be the cobbler.~Agan

Wrong. If I was the cobbler and knew about Fea I'd throw her under the bus too. As a wolf she can't hope to survive to the bitter end, we all know this.

Also, if I was the lead evil-singer here, don't you think I could drum up some quacko suspicion case against anyone, and get them lynched. Don't believe I couldn't. If I really wanted to lynch someone I'd be after Walter now.

Look at the posts though, I have absolutely no idea who's what and where beyond I know you're the soulmate and I believe Kath (speaking of which I could probably refute and turn the vote against her if I was a critic, or walter). I don't know who's who here, and I thought if we could get our number down to 3, 2 being critics, that was our best shot we had at winning.

[Gwathagor]

There seem to be a lot of claims to innocence floating about right now. The only one I'm really prepared to believe absolutely is Kath, and only because of her story of how she was chosen for the role. If I was revealing, I would do it like that.

Crossed with Aganzir, Lariren, Aganzir

[Gwathagor]

Ok. All eight of Shasta's posts.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Welcome, dear friends, to our contest
The first that this kingdom has ever seen
We gather today, for a vocal display....

Listen to me, don't I sound rich?
Loud, am I not, plus I've got perfect pitch!
Wouldn't you think I'm the girl, the girl who has everything?

Listen to this, clear as can be,
You'll know I'm it when I hit my high C!
.....

I'm a world-famous coloratura!
My vibrato is second to none!
I'm a walking display of bravura!
It's so clear, can't you hear, I'm the one!

And I suggest everyone who hasn't already go and read the Movies in Fifteen Minutes version of Phantom of the Opera. Do it.

In less banter-iffic news, I cannot believe this game started so soon! I'm quite impressed. I'm back in my dorm room now, having moved back in (the break's over) and back with internet, so expect to be seeing a lot more of me.

Especially you, Phantom and Boro.

Day 1 banter.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I almost have to vote you for this, Boro. State pride and all that.

*still reading, but thinking of voting for Nogrod based on what he's read so far*

He does not give any kind of reason for his suspicion of Nogrod, and doesn't even end up voting for him.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My world is dust now
And all I loved is dead.
Oh, let me trust now
In what my master said;
"There is a sweetness in every woe."
It must be so. It must be so.
The dawn will find me
Alone in some strange land
But men are kindly; they'll give a helping hand.
So said my master, and he must know;
It must be so, it must be so!

++TGWBS

Will explain on the morrow. Ciao!

Instead of Nogrod. No explanation.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I apologize for my inactivity toDay. It was the first day of classes of the new semester, and quite stressful. It is now four in the morning. I will post more when I wake up.

I would like to say, however, that apart from one thing that he said that made me raise an eyebrow, my vote for TGWBS was mostly a gut feeling.

And here's all the explanation we ever got for his tgwbs vote. I accept his RL-busy-ness excuse as legitimate, though. I've been in the same position myself.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Legate is never this under-the-radar unless he's hiding something.

++Legate

...

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't know what to think at this point. Fea could be bluffing to save Aganzir tomorrow.

++Fea

This is unsurprising, given that Fea was the vote du jour. Pretty conventional. Also, this post, like most of his others, is incredibly brief - due to RL again?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

So.

Based on what I've read so far, I think Gollum is the most suspicious. I'm probably losing my touch, though, based on my vote for our Seer earlier in this game.

Man, this DL sucks for me. I'm having to send this in the middle of class!

++Gollum

This reasoning sounds identical to the reasoning behind his early suspicion of Nogrod, and is similarly undescriptive. It would appear that Shasta is following the established voting trend, like he did with Fea.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I have my reasons. Most of them are RL. I have been trying to pay attention, though.

Which is why I'd like to state the following;

I'm seeing a Boro/Sally connection today (sorry, dear). Even though I've been horribly wrong all game, I'm willing to bet at least one, if not both, is/are critical. I'll post what I've seen momentarily. Mind you, this is today's interactions only, I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

Hopefully he will return before DL to explain what he means in the final paragraph. I'd also be interested to know to what extent he's been paying attention - is it enough that he would still be able to pull off a critic or cobbler role?

Overall:
As a rule, Shasta's posts have been very short and very thin on content. Ultimately, I don't think Shasta will ever get lynched because he's so unobtrusive (8 posts!) and Nogrod is not here. Silence-due-to-RL is really an ideal place for a wolf or critic to hide; has anybody suspected Shasta at all this game? I really think that he is as busy as he says, so I guess all we can do is hope he is innocent. I'm not prepared at this point to vote someone for being quiet.

[Boromir88]

and the thought that I'm going to be angry if he's a baddie and manages to talk himself out of the situation.~Agan

And when it's proven that I'm not, you'll be the one eating my shoes.

[Boromir88]

Gwath, I think the options are down to either sally or me. I hope you choose correctly (or that is if you choose me, I know it would be incorrect). But make a decision and stand by it.

[Lariren Shadow]

Kath--> Sally
Boro--> Boro
Boro--> -- Boro
Boro--> Sally
Sally--> Boro
Agan--> Boro

Boro 3, Sally 2

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm going to go with the Sally suspicions and vote

++Sally

Which makes it 3 Sally and 3 Boro

Is that right?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Kath--> Sally
Boro--> Boro
Boro--> -- Boro
Boro--> Sally
Sally--> Boro
Agan--> Boro

Boro 3, Sally 2

Try again, Lariren.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

But do we really believe Kath and Boro? If Kath's only proof is her word and Boro saying he's the cobbler and spied on her then who do we believe? Yes, Kath could have known her role the whole time. Yes, Boro could be the cobbler. But what if the cobbler didn't spy on Kath? It seems more obvious that the cobbler would spy on Mac, the phantom, Fea, and Agan. From what I've seen of the game those seemed to be the most obvious choices. I'm not saying I'm the cobbler but to me that would be who I would spy on(well, and from what I've heard of previous games from Fea).

I still think this is somewhat creepy.

edit: xed with phantom & Boro

[Lariren Shadow]

It would have been earlier but I found a computer.

Well, everyone sounds creepy at times.

So what's the vote count right now?

[Aganzir]

Sorry I simply have to go.

++Boro

For previous suspicions and general lack of trust, and the thought that I'm going to be angry if he's a baddie and manages to talk himself out of the situation.

I guess it's goodbye then unless the baddies come up with something weird again - or unless the game ends today.

Good luck bunnies.

I so hate being a known innocent.