T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And Noggy I wouldn't take weed even if you offered it to me! I am not into smoking you know.

You don't have to smoke it, you know. . .there are other ways.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Okay, I've decided to vote

++ Gollum

because he's the one I feel the worst about. I know that's not much said at this point, but if that's the best I can do then it is. Now I'm off to bed and let the little Lommie-Wommie post. Good night and Night.

I hate the deadline, by the way.

That was predictable!
Not that Greenie voted for Gollum, but that Gollum would attract votes on day one.

To be honest I have spotted little that I found worthy of mentioning, mostly because I did not read it closely. . .it was not very interesting.

So far my tactics must be to get more atention than fea in this game, yeah I know, but you gotta aim high some times.

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

That was predictable!
Not that Greenie voted for Gollum, but that Gollum would attract votes on day one.

Why?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Why?

Sorry I missed that post earlier. . . Basicly because you started the game of in charachter and made a lot of noice, that stuff is always labeled as "usual day 1 banter" and yet almost always result in a lynch.

It is actually quite interesting to see how people often start of with saying "this is probably an innocent trying to get the game started" and then end up voting for the person because they cannot build a real case against anyone.

People should know better!

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Sorry I missed that post earlier. . . Basicly because you started the game of in charachter and made a lot of noice, that stuff is always labeled as "usual day 1 banter" and yet almost always result in a lynch.

It is actually quite interesting to see how people often start of with saying "this is probably an innocent trying to get the game started" and then end up voting for the person because they cannot build a real case against anyone.

People should know better!

Thanks!

And good-bye, everyone. Got work.

[Rikae]

Mac, you didn't mention that you cross posted with me. I find that suspicious!

Mmmmm, dinner.

(Somebody's gotta find that suspicious, eh?)

Say, while I'm away, isn't anybody going to humor me and guess why Nerwen is diabolical, naughty, sinister and all around eeeeevil? Anybody...?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I could vote for Aganzir as her style never really sits well with me.

I could vote for Lommy, Legate, Mac or Rikea, because I am against couples entering ww games.

I could vote for Menel, because I am against people who cannot hold their liquor. A proper drunk never gets sick of drinking. . .such a wannabe.

I won't vote for Gollum as he is the obvious day 1 lynch.

Unless something dramaticly happens the only other people I would consider are people like Brinn that I hold grudges against. . . Anyways I shall go have a pint or two before I vote. (The service here is too slow)

[Macalaure]

Just one thing now... there’s dinner being cooked.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Something in this phrasing troubles me a little... I don't like it how much Mac has been thinking about this (or then I don't like the fact that I don't see how Ferny can identify himself to the wolves, but whatever, under no circumstances say it aloud) nor do I like him saying "this end". What the ?? It sounds like he was a wraith and made a silly slip.

I didn’t think that Bill’s desire to identify himself to the wraiths is a secret, but yeah, maybe he didn’t get the idea himself.

Seeing the other comments on this, I think this line will haunt me for a while...

*orders Ibuprofen for everybody*

Originally Posted by Legate

What did you think when you said that, Mac?

Bill giving his own name to the wraiths was a funny thing I came to think of when thinking about the two new roles. Funny because it’s a pretty dangerous thing for Bill to do. Of course, now that this idea has been treaded out, it has lost its danger. I shouldn’t have mentioned it at all, in hindsight, but I didn’t see these reactions coming.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Bill giving his own name to the wraiths was a funny thing I came to think of when thinking about the two new roles. Funny because it’s a pretty dangerous thing for Bill to do. Of course, now that this idea has been treaded out, it has lost its danger. I shouldn’t have mentioned it at all, in hindsight, but I didn’t see these reactions coming.

All right. It is true that still, the Nazgul can't say whether the name coming from Ferny is going to be him or not. Nevertheless, I guess, if he could not come up with it himself, why to help him with suggesting such ideas...

[Nogrod]

Now why is there all this talk about Bill's options?

I could bet on it that through all this discussion at least some are trying to give hints to each other eg. at least Bill or / and a ringwraith are included in the speculation - trying to kind of hint at the other party of the conspiracy who they are...

Even if Bill is powerless right NOW the wraiths would not like to kill someone who is favourable to their cause accidentally in the beginning as that partnership could be worth gold in the endgame. So even if the wraiths are after Frodo and Butterbur as their first targets, they'd sure like to know the identity of Bill Ferny as well just as to make no bad moves during the first Nights.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I could vote for Menel, because I am against people who cannot hold their liquor. A proper drunk never gets sick of drinking. . .such a wannabe.

Precious!!!

[Aganzir]

Sorry I am simply too tired to think.

Currently the only one I find even a little suspicious is Mac, just because of that Ferny comment of his. Apart from it he looks rather innocent. But I wouldn't like to vote for him now after last game.

It probably tells something about my level of tiredness that I only now realised why Lommy found Mac's "to this end" suspicious, and laughed aloud at it for a while.

Originally Posted by Legz

I just wonder if Wolf-agan would be so silly (read: careless and likely not to succeed) to do things like that, trying to convince the village or the Ringbearer to point himself out, so that they could catch him... but perhaps, probing?

Do what? Sorry I just don't get what you're talking about.

Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast.

++Lari

Because she has been mostly bantering thus far, and she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really, but I rather don't give a second vote for Golly today.

Off to sleep.

edit: xed with Legz. No we should call him Berry.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast.

++Lari

Because she has been mostly bantering thus far, and she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really, but I rather don't give a second vote for Golly today.

Didn't she say she had class or something earlier and wouldn't be able to be in the village?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Do what? Sorry I just don't get what you're talking about.

I am saying it in the very same sentence. Right after the comma. "...that, [i.e.] trying to convince..." I guess it may just look somehow out of context, I wrote that sentence when I was reading the thread and later I could not realise what it belonged to (if in some way to Lommy's comments?) or if it was just a thought formulated not as response to anyone's post, but just general. It is referring to this thing you have been talking about since very early, this topic of whether we should talk about the Ringbearer, and at the beginning, you seemed to suggest, or at least not dismiss completely the idea that the RB should stay put. (And, speaking of that, only very later you reevaluated. Perhaps under the general pressure, but before that, you wanted to try anyway?)

No we should call him Berry.

Berry Gandhi? Or Gandhiberry?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. I am going to vote and then go to sleep, and really don't expect me to be here for the DL. I will be sleeping.

But, whom to vote...

Suspicious at least in some way
Fea
Mac

Less suspicious at least in some way
Lommy
Agan
Gollum

Lack of participation or such (or not enough to ponder from them, at least)
sally
lari
Shasta
Nerwen
Menel
Durelin
LG
Brinn

Innocent-seeming, or at least with not enough suspicion for them
Mira
Rikae
Nogrod
Beregond
Rune

Hmm. I am still wondering about Mac. I am only afraid it may become a bandwagon. And the funniest thing is that I said about both of my main suspects that they are Ferny. Although Mac could be a Wraith more likely. And I don't have actually that much about Fea.

I will think yet a few moments, or see whom I cross-posted with. Maybe I will get some idea.

EDIT: So I crossposted with no one. Great. Hmm... all right, in that case, I will think about it a few minutes, then vote, and then go to sleep.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Let it be so.

++Mac

Mainly for that Ferny thing. Or, it would be better to say only for the Ferny thing. I really do not have much suspicion against anybody, and this at least was bad enough move in my opinion anyway. Whatever.

Good night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In response:

Yes, Rikae, I am an Aquarius. The angle of Uranus to Jupiter and the Moon tells us, though, that I'm infused with watery influence, making me an exception to the previous statement.

++Lommy

Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much.

[Rikae]

Nobody finds me suspicious? Come on, people, do yuu want me to be killed at night or something?

Lists are fun.

Most guilty:
Nerwen - but I won't vote for her today, because she hasn't played in a while.
Lommy - may get my vote.
Berry - Not getting a vote because of newbie immunity.

Neutral thus far, and I like to keep them around for closer observation:

Nog
Fea
Mac
Agan

Most innocent:

Legate - He just seems sincere. I like the way he's exploring different possibilities in a very transparent-looking sort of way.

Boro - He hasn't done anything remotely suspicious.

Everybody else:
No opinion

[Meneltarmacil]

Aganzir is not *hic* looking suspicious to me. She *hic* thinks it more likely that the Ringearer wants to be a *hic* wraith, which is under*hic*standable. She also *hic* thinks Frodo should not be our primary *hic* concern, which makes sense. There are worse characters out *hic* there to worry about. Her vote is odd, even *hic* though she acknowledged it was random.

Mac is *hic* a major puzzle, but I need more *BUUURRRPPP* time to look over his posts.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Brinniel]

Good god, it took me long enough to catch up with this thread...

Originally Posted by Beregond

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is.

Originally Posted by Rune

I do not think that Brinn or Lommy has said anything of substanse. . . It is just the usual "look at me I am all serious about the game" nonsense that allways pops up, it is no more usefull than the in charachter banter, but it is less intertaining.

It would be foolish of me to assume them evil because of these comments, but it is worth taking a note about. It shows that they to some degree would like to be viewed as people who are focused on catching the evil-doers.

Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.

Anyways, I never meant to say much in my first post...I felt I should at least check in since I knew I wouldn't be around until late in the Day when half the players are sleeping. But I decided to comment on the banter because while it's entertaining, there was simply too much of it going on...and banter is an easy way for a wraith to hide.

Originally Posted by Mac

Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.

I agree. While he may be innocent for the time being, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll continue to act that way. Frodo teeters on the brink between innocence and evil. And I don't think he necessarily has the village's best interests at heart. He'll simply do whatever is best for him.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Whoever is Frodo signed up for this game because they want to play...it'd certainly be no fun to give up and reveal from Day 1. I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

Originally Posted by Rune

Unless something dramaticly happens the only other people I would consider are people like Brinn that I hold grudges against

That's a silly reason to vote for someone. If anything, you shouldn't immediately vote someone you have a grudge against because your opinion on them is slanted. No, it's better to wait and give a real reason to vote for them based on posts and behaviour in the current game, and certainly not from experiences in past games. I'll be seriously disappointed in you if you choose to vote for me for that reason alone.

[Nogrod]

I think this Day has not been in vain so far as there are a few promising leads already. So good job people!

But there's clearly not enough for me to go for a lynch for these louder ones as yet. So my votelist will still be:

Lariren Shadow
Shastanis Althreduin
Gollum the Great
satansaloser2005

They have basically been just in-character and there's not much help in their posts to catch a ringwraith. So with the logic of columnist Michael Kelly: as they are not helping us they're helping the other party.

Lari was like that the game before (her first) and she was a wolf there. So why should we believe her thisd time if she's just trying the same card - even if she really had timetable -problems as well? Then again it would be a little improbable she would start her WW-career with being a baddie twice... Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...

Shasta has been cloaked by his role entirely. There's nothing he has said but he has made a presence in the first part of the game. Of these I still think Shasta the most innocent-looking from an imagined premise that he has had no time to come online after his burst of posting early on the Day.

Gollum looks like an "easy lynch" (like Rune and I think some others as well have alrerady commented) and the question just remains whether that is true or is he once again playing the card that is assumed from his behaviour? Somehow I'm a bit baffled about his activity and tone toDay. Like in his post #90 he says first of Menel and then of Legate and me that "they stay". Like it was under his decision who lives or dies (and not a democratic vote) - and the only one to think that way is the ringwraith's way of thinking... And well many other things, like his continued insistence to set right things said about him and the fervour by which he claims to be the number one poster while actually providing very little indeed but being friendly - which sure is the most wolvish trait there is...

Sally then looks like Sally. No thoughts whatsoever she's given on this Day1. Just fun and banter. And yes she's cute and fine and funny... but she's that as a wolf as well... and she's intelligent enough to calculate her vote whilst being ignored by others...

I need to have a pipeful before I vote.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lari was like that the game before (her first) and she was a wolf there. So why should we believe her thisd time if she's just trying the same card - even if she really had timetable -problems as well? Then again it would be a little improbable she would start her WW-career with being a baddie twice... Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...

Not to further the idea that Lari and I are aligned, but I have a tendency to play devil's advocate. You'll notice that I also came to Mac's defense earlier in the Day. No need to lynch without looking at all sides of the issue.