Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Isabellkya]

You are worrying me a bit with your short one sentence posts, Gwath

Ah, okay. It just seemed that you had a bit more focused intent behind your posts in regards to that discussion, Mnemosyne.

Right now phantom, Nog, Rikae, Fea, and Sally stick out most in my mind, because of their typical behavior.
Sally for her typical silliness, so I can't ever really read her.
phantom, Rikae, and Fea because they always seem to be the more daring.
Nog because I can always expect to see long analyzing posts from him.

Mnemosyne, Gwath, and Hansy stick out in my mind as well.
Hansy because I've played with him elsewhere, and curious to see how he does and likes this style.
Mnemosyne and Gwath because something just doesn't seem quite right. Though I think in terms of voting right this very second, I would pick Gwath over Mnemosyne.

However, since there are about 2.5 hours left until deadline. I've time to revist the pages again.


Edit. x'd with Rikae and Nog. Also left out the word 'again'.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Mnemosyne and Gwath because something just doesn't seem quite right.

Care to be more specific?

[Brinniel]

Gah, it took me over an hour to catch up on the Day...

Some further comments about roles:

Someone mentioned (it might've been Eonwe) that it'd be best we not discuss the gifteds, particularly the White Queen. I agree. It's better if we let the baddies attempt to figure out the gifteds on their own rather than unintentionally give them clues to who the gifteds may be by discussing them.

Rikae also mentioned earlier that we should be wary if the White Queen reveals as it could be a false reveal. But I'd take that even further and say we should be wary of any reveal. With gifted wolves, it'll be even easier for them to successfully attempt a false reveal if one of them is at risk of getting lynched.

Okay, I know the discussion has moved on to talk more about the players than the roles, which is good. I'll be back later with some thoughts I have on players so far.

[Isabellkya]

In terms of Mnemosyne I get the feeling of almost trying too hard. A forcefulness. However I think it can be attributed to being new.

With you, you are not new. You've made a total of twelve posts, and the longest one is four sentences long. The majority, if not all of them are in response to what other people have said. Half of the twelve are banter.




EDit. X'd with Brin, Hansy and Fea.

[the phantom]

Updated voting-

Kath +++Ner
Fea ++++Hansy
Dury +++Sally
Steve ++Gwath
Eomer ++Sally (2)
Rikae +++Steve
Hansy ++Fea

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Fea

It's really quite strange, playing werewolf with somebody that reminds me of myself.

See? I told you I like the way Hansy thought. That proves it. Hansy is like Fea.

[Brinniel]

Mirandir: Has only made a few posts so far and none make me think anything of her. I need more time and more from her to get a better read.

Durelin: I don't like her vote for Sally, but then again also I don't think it's necessarily suspicious. Dury is a mysterious one, and she was lynched too quickly last game for that reason. She is one to watch closely, but I'd rather not see her go just yet.

Fea: Hmm...I don't have any strong opinions about her as of now, though I know I do have a tendency to suspect her. She's one who always makes me wonder about her role, that's for sure. To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing her lynched simply for the sake that I wouldn't have to be left guessing what her role could be Day after Day. But still, that's not a great reason, so I probably would only vote her if I could find no other candidate I prefer.

Izzy: I can imagine her to be quite the sneaky baddie. But so far I like what she's said and have no reason to vote her.

Nerwen: I'm pretty neutral about her as of now. I need to see more posts from her before I can form any sort of opinion.

Eomer: He at least gave a reason for his vote, even though I don't particularly agree with it. Too mysterious for me to form an opinion on him just yet.

the phantom: I've liked what he's said so far; his posts are rather sensible and he seems innocentish to me. That probably means that he is, in fact, guilty.

Sally: Little substance and a lot of banter, but that's quite typical coming from Sally. She looks more innocentish than guilty to me, and since she is unable to get online to defend herself from the ones who voted for her, I'd rather not see her lynched toDay.

Gwathagor: Makes several one-liner posts. Which I don't like, but just because I don't agree with his style doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty. However, he was quite quick to bandwagon based only on a comment from Nogrod. I just don't like when someone votes for another only based on another player's reasoning.

Lariren: Has been very thoughtful. I feel good about her so far.

wilwarin: Well, I don't like that she warns that her vote may look like a suspicious bandwagon vote long before she actually does vote. But then again, I can understand how hard it is to get a good read of anyone on Day 1 when you're not familiar with anyone's styles. I was quite thrilled to see her join this game since I know she's an early WW player and I have never had the opportunity to play with her before. So I'd rather not see her go anytime soon.

Rikae: Not raising any alarm right now, but she is one I'd like to keep a close eye on as she can be quite dangerous when evil.

Eonwe: Says a lot about roles and little about other players. That alone can be a bit suspicious, though it's a bit early to tell.

Nogrod: So far seems like the typical Nogrod, which could point either way as to where his true alliance lies. But if innocent, he can be quite helpful, so I'd rather not see him go so early again. Plus, I do feel a bit guilty that I was partially responsible for his last two early deaths.

Nemo (c'mon, it's not that bad to share the nickname with an adorable clown fish ): Is near the top of the post count on this thread...quite impressive for a newbie. Then again, I can hardly call her a newbie. She's been watching us for quite sometime now, and just because she hasn't actively played until now doesn't mean she hasn't learned to strategise and fool us all. I like that she's been so active, but I can't help but feel slightly worried about her. I won't vote her toDay because she is a new addition, but she is one I'd like to watch closely.

Kath: Yeah, her vote was random but it seems like a typical Kath-has-no-time move. She's voted randomly before and it doesn't point to either innocence or guilt.

Hansy: Is an interesting new addition. I could tell he was familiar with WW, but at the same time he seems a bit confused with the rules. Could be an act, or he could just be adjusting to a WW game that's dramatically different from anything he's ever played...I think it's the latter. Don't care for his "revenge" vote, though. Voting someone just because they voted you is just taking the easy way out. He could be anything.

[Brinniel]

I will probably end up voting for one of these players:

Fea
Eonwe
Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

With you, you are not new. You've made a total of twelve posts, and the longest one is four sentences long. The majority, if not all of them are in response to what other people have said. Half of the twelve are banter.

If you go back over my games, you will find that I am characteristically terse, and that my participation increases as the game goes on. It may not be an ideal style, but it's mine, and it doesn't indicate anything spooky going on.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Care to be more specific?

Originally Posted by Isabell

You are worrying me a bit with your short one sentence posts, Gwath

I was already thinking of voting Eönwë until I saw Rikae's vote and that changes things a bit. I had a tingling feeling that voting Eönwë is another easy option toDay (alongside Sally) but still the way he is at the top of the posting-list and has managed to say nothing definitive or particular bothered me.

But as Nerwen pointed out Rikae's actions can be interpreted as a bit opportunistic and her vote now sealed it to me. That was an easy one and alarmed myself as well to reconsider. I have no case against Rikae, but her vote clearly fits in with a clever-baddie wishing to get away with Day1 quite nicely. So I'm not too happy to vote for Eönwë anymore.

With Kath I'm afraid I'd be going on with a habit of suspecting her (following our different ideas how Day1's should be played even if I think her performance this particular time was just terrible).

With Dury there is a problem that her voting post is just so crazy (three different and almost exclusive reasons given at the same time + trying to apologise afterwards) that it might speak more of her being in a hurry and with no stakes in the game than actually being a baddie.

Fea I would love to see around as she's always fun to read and talk to but looking at her posting just "objectively" tells me she's done actually nothing but played it very safe + there was this odd addenda in her votepost that I couldn't read as anything other than as a way of trying to contact someone she thought she could gain from.

Okay there's the post by Fea explaining it - and it sounds too fanciful to be forged...

I used the capital H in purpose to refer to the joke you had made earlier about Han Solo - and saying that the Black Queen is "working" Solo felt like something fun.

Anyway, Day1's have been useful already at Day1 itself. Don't lose your patience. I've seen it a couple of times - I've also seen those where the lynching of the wolf on Day1 was not triggered by a back-stabbing wolf but was due to the capabilities of the villagers...

[Lariren Shadow]

Alright, so I've been thinking about my vote. I know that my choices, at least I think, are Fea, Nog, and Rikae.

I don't really want to vote Fea because, well, she really hasn't had that much time to play. But there is the problem that I'm still not sure what to think of her and Rikae's seer comments to each other. There the question becomes if I believe them then who is the evil one? Or it could be pawns playing with each other.

I do still have the suspicion that giving a lot of analysis means guilt. And that is stronger in my mind right now than the whole Rikae/Fea thing. Because, well, I could see them just messing with us. Really really messing with us.

So I'm going to vote for

++Nog

Now I'm going to bed to get up for work in the morning.

Edit: x-posted with Gwath.

[the phantom]

Meh- I don't particularly want to lynch anyone. But I guess someone must die, right?

Of those with votes, I have already defended Fea, Sally, and Hansy. The others I just have no feel for at all.

On one hand there is a person or two that I suspect is a Pawn, so I could vote for them in order to avoid hitting a gifted White piece. But that would be silly as voting for the person you most suspect is an Ordo is totally not the way this is supposed to work.

Gah. What I wouldn't give to get a strong guilty vibe from someone. Even if it was wrong, it would make me feel better. But I suspect that I won't even begin to find my footing until my Day 2 readthrough of Day 1 and the slayings in between.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by phantom

What I wouldn't give to get a strong guilty vibe from someone.

Want me to start posting suspiciously?

[the phantom]

I already know I won't be voting for you, so it wouldn't help Mnem.

[Nogrod]

Time to decide.

++ Fea

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

Remember your vote post consisted of the vote and the remark of my "ability to say interesting things" on Day1 (which is ridiculous as your vote would not affect my talking abilities on Day1). So you were up to something else there, trying to give a signal to someone if what you say you thought was true and you really did think that... or then you thought I was a baddie and you're the cobbler... (you could be the cobbler also if you just plain took me for a seer), or whatever.

Let's see what you said there again:

Originally Posted by Fea

I have to peace out, so here's my early vote:
eenie meenie miny
++Hansy
Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

So you're pointing it to someone that I should be watched, maybe treated specially the next Night?

I can see no reason why you would act like that as an innocent - as you yourself agreed you had thought I was the seer...

So sad to say this but I believe you're up to no good this time.

And anyway, I'm not what you might think I am so just let it come baddies! The village only loses an ordo with me.

EDIT: X'd from Lari's vote-post...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

Oh wow. That is a very good point.

[Nerwen]

Where does Fea say she thinks Nog is the Seer? I can't find it.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Hansy reads to me like what would happen if I'd created an alias account, signed up to play two roles (myself as Fea and my alter ego as Hansy), and was sitting back watching the chaos.

I hope that's not a confession...

EDIT: X'd since Gwath at #160.

[Nerwen]

Er– Mirandir, you've listed Steve twice.

EDIT: X'd with Gwath.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Where does Fea say she thinks Nog is the Seer? I can't find it.



I hope that's not a confession...

No no, that would be much to obvious. Clearly she'd be much more deceptive about it and create some controversy between her egos. Agreeing about everything is just suspicious.

So I've been sitting here for the past twoish hours trying to get enough focus together to make an awesome list and am ashamed to say have failed quite epically. My initial suspicion of Hansy still holds, mostly because the striking similarities between his style and that of both Fea and the phantom. While I haven't played with tp before, I did follow one of his games and have played with Fea, as well as followed a game with her. Both are the hardest people I have encountered in terms of reading and ideally having them both out of the way early on would be the least confusing, but probably detrimental to the chess game at hand.

SO. Just checked the rules in the case of a tie vote, and the lynch is randomized between all the people involved. This could be incredibly dangerous and I don't particularly want to add another person to the list of two votes each and thus will be waiting just a little while longer to see if anything else unfolds before voting.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway, I'm not what you might think I am so just let it come baddies! The village only loses an ordo with me.

Really? Then never mind. I was going to suggest that the Knight protect you this Night instead of me, but since you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and request that he do what he had originally planned and stick with me.

Which Knight? Both of them. Just to be safe. And I believe that both Bishops should dream of me too. And the Rooks should hunt me! Erm... wait... never mind that last one.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

I must have missed something. When did Fea not stay silent when she thought you were the Seer? I see that after it looked like you weren't, she spoke up and said what she had been thinking, but I don't remember her saying anything earlier about it. Did I miss something?

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I find Nogrod's argument intriguing - that if an innocent Fea thought Nog was even possibly a seer, there's no way she would point it out.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I better just do it.

++Fea

I really think Nog's right about this.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ok, I find Nogrod's argument intriguing - that if an innocent Fea thought Nog was even possibly a seer, there's no way she would point it out.

But Gwath, where does she say it?

EDIT: X'd with Gwath again.

[Nogrod]

Just brushed my teeth at 6.45 (glad it's Sunday)

tp and Nerwen you should think again - maybe I just didn't make the point clearly enough. Fea made that weird voting-post where she said she votes for Hansy and then casually adds that

Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

After that - after I questioned her about that addition of me "saying interesting things on Day1" (which looks like a deliberate formulation) in her vote-post, she explained she had thought me to be the seer who got the Black Queen on the first Night (with all that stuff with Lommy's first name in Finnish and Hansy vs. Han Solo etc.). That looks like genuine to me. She probably thought that IRL as it's too complicated to fabricate just like that. But why did she voice it in the first place if she really thought I was the seer? And why did she explain it that openly after being asked about it? A goodie would have not acted that way if she had that kind of an idea... but to a cobbler (or with different scenarios possibly other baddies as well) it might have been a decent thing to do.

The initial comment bothers me and also the way some people rush to explain it. Fea's explanation looks good as it's probably earnest but the reason she made the first remark looks more shadowy. And remember that she can be frank about her reasons for wrongly thinking me the seer even if she's a baddie but she can't explain why she had to make that unconnected remark in the first place.

Any ideas why she made it? Other than trying to hint to some other(s) with evil intentions about a possible treat for the Night?

[Mirandir]

Kath ++Ner
Fea ++Hansy
Dury ++Sally
Steve ++Gwath
Eomer ++Sally
Rikae ++Steve
Hansy ++Fea
Lari ++Nog
Nog ++Fea
wilwa ++Steve

Sally - 2, Fea - 2, Steve - 2, Nerwen, Hansy, Gwath, and Nog - 1

And left to vote is Isa, Nerwen, tp, Brinn, sally, Gwath, Mnem, Kath, Hansy and Mira.

[Hansy]

Now I realized I should've done the analysis bit earlier; because it's almost 4am here, and my brain is certainly not functioning how it should. So, as voting is mandatory, I'll just flat out avoid having anything to do with it.

++Fea

"Revenge vote", I don't think you'll execute a veteran today anyway; here's the promise to check on Day 1 happenings tomorrow, the first thing I'll do is to re-read stuff and write my first of those oh-so-famous lists.