WW LX - Mortal Men, doomed to die

[Brinniel]

Okay, I can't wait any longer, so:

++Eomer

For reasons I already explained.

I thought I would have more time but I've been distracted with finalising a decision for an apartment and I have a final shortly. Again, sorry for my cruddy participation so far; things should get better for me after Day 3.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, so now it seems... a pity people who posted less before seem that they cannot post more even now, which is pretty bad. Now this is actually becoming the main point that worries me and I just wish that on Day 3 everybody will be here and posting properly!

I cannot say how I feel about Brinn now - I quite like her points concerning the Kath-issue, that's reasonable, although everybody could be reasonable, right - and basically I agree with her suspicions of Eomer, but that's all I can react to in her posts - so in fact nothing that much. Nilp looks like heating up, that's good, I'm looking forward to seeing more than just a list from him (and I expect him to do so ). Eönwë actually seemed quite sensible yesterDay (given the fact that he came only late), and now - well, he does not raise my alarms, for one. Although again, he's perhaps bordering the group of people who just flow under my radar screen. The same would go for Shasta for example.

I am becoming slightly worried about wilwa, like I said before, but not to any particular extent. I should take a deeper look at Nerwen, sally or Kent... and I would like to see Lhuna and Nienna posting.

Well, still, probably the one I am worried about the most is Eomer for now. But, I know what. I am going to (at least briefly) re-read the thread now once again and try to reconsider everything once again.

[Nienna]

And I'm around and will be until deadline if anyone wants to talk things out.

On discussions already started:

- I think Kath was probably a no trail kill. I know I was not personally getting any seer vibes from her and it worries me that Eomer was saying that the wolves might have thought she was the seer. This doesn't speak well to Eomer's innocence. If he is a wolf and was getting seer vibes from Kath he might have talked the other wolves into killing her with the added bonus that she wouldn't leave a trail.

- I think the Izzy lynch was just a scramble at the end of the Day. It wasn't overly bandwagony but it may have had some wolfish help.

I'll be back in a few with a suspicion list.

Edit: x-ed with Sally and Legate

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Here's what I'll do: I'll vote now, to fully demonstrate that I'm not interested in saving myself. I'm not going to vote for whoever else has votes, for survival.

But who for? Maybe a revenge vote? Wilwa has basically no case against me and when confronted with this, just brushes it off and votes for me anyway. How about Brinniel? She votes for me for reasons 'already explained' but I can't find an explanation anywhere. Maybe she could point me in the direction.

I think these two are being wilfully single-minded and could easily be villains. But I'm just as concerned about people who are playing smarter.

How about this from Nienna?

I think Kath was probably a no trail kill. I know I was not personally getting any seer vibes from her and it worries me that Eomer was saying that the wolves might have thought she was the seer. This doesn't speak well to Eomer's innocence. If he is a wolf and was getting seer vibes from Kath he might have talked the other wolves into killing her with the added bonus that she wouldn't leave a trail.

It does not speak to my innocence that I suggested the hypothesis that the nightly kill was an attempt to catch the village's greatest weapon - their Seer. This is just a crazy thing to say. I considered Nienna as a smart, quiet option before but now I'm not sure; it would also look like revenge, anyway.

Well, actually... I think I will vote for one of you.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++BRINNIEL

I can understand more that Wilwa's just got embroiled in a battle with me and feels the need to pursue it; Brinniel's posting is perhaps less excusable (this also includes her vote for Sally so I don't even have to feel too self-conscious about it).

But I'll hang around still.

[Nogrod]

So Nienna's and Kent's behaviour looks overly careful, Rune's I've talked already.

Legate's and Eomer's look consistent - which doesn't mark them innocents but talks a bit better of them anyway.

Which means Eönwë looks pretty bad to me right now. He was around but concentrated on everything else but on the situation at hand; trying to look helpful with making comments on Brinn and Kent who were not actually "on the menu" then - and ended up more or less ambivalent. Then his vote was the last one for Izzy, someone he hadn't even mentioned earlier (compare: he had indirectly indicated he had something against Sally when commenting my suspicipon of Brinn's vote for her earlier).

But to be true, I don't like the way Kent and Nienna drew off from the scene so near but safely far away from the DL either (I would be amazed if they both were wolves but one of them could be).

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod about me

he had indirectly indicated he had something against Sally when commenting my suspicipon of Brinn's vote for her earlier).

Anyway, here I was referring more to Brinn than Sally. I even mentioned (maybe not so clearly) in my post that it might be pushing it too far to assume that Sally was in on it. But Brinn seemed too apologetic and un-... (well, I can't remember the word I'm looking for but I sort of mean that she made it look like she didn't really mean the vote) for my liking.

edit: no x-ing sadly. And only 30 mins to DL!

[Nogrod]

No problem there with you referring more to Brinn there Eönwë. I think that was quite clear. The thing was that as you at the end said you'd be choosing between Sally and Izzy you had at least indirectly pointed at Sally beforehand as a possible suspect but you hadn't said a word about Izzy whom you voted...

And your vote came from the bushes and no one had an idea who you were going to vote - and you didn't actually help us in that...

[Nogrod]

Okay. Get real people!

Where are you?

Any ideas you have?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

No problem there with you referring more to Brinn there Eönwë. I think that was quite clear. The thing was that as you at the end said you'd be choosing between Sally and Izzy you had at least indirectly pointed at Sally beforehand as a possible suspect but you hadn't said a word about Izzy whom you voted...

And your vote came from the bushes and no one had an idea who you were going to vote - and you didn't actually help us in that...

Ah. I see. Well, I've too often voted Sally when she seems suspicious and she turns out to be innocent. So I wanted to give her a chance to talk. Anyway, she didn't really seem very suspicious, not enough to lynch someone off.

edit: x-ed wi' Noggie

Where is everyone!?

[Eönwë]

Nienna - A pirate eh? You know what we do to pirates...
Kent2010 - He might scam us into joining him
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebels are never good for a stable society. I saw giive 'im the same treatment as pirates"
Nogrod - I don't fancy bein' hit by 'is famous The Cat O' Nine tails
Shastanis Althreduin - Pshhh! King?
wilwarin538 - A magic doer. Evil most likely.
Nerwen - See Shasta
Nilpaurion Felagund - can't be too fussy when lynchin'
Rune Son of Bjarne - See Wilwa. Only he has a more dramatic name.
Lhunardawen - See Legate
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Rohan? I dont like them thar people.
Groin Redbeard - The warlord is quiet. Who know what he plots
satansaloser2005 - Who is she? No fancy title? Why is she here?
Brinniel - See Sally


Oh... It was a serious list you wanted?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's really quiet, and so many votes to come.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it took me somewhat longer to re-read the thread, I was being... erm... distracted.

But anyway, after re-reading... the main points are that about Eomer... I confirmed my main feeling that it's actually not really that he would seem so suspicous to me, in the sense of seeming evil, but just being strange. That is, acting in a way... sort of not doing things that would seem beneficial in my opinion, but even not sure what would he gain from it as a Wraith - except for possibly picking his innocence from the Kath-theory: but that would be such a complicated way of getting innocentishness... only if Eomer-Wraith would be really convinced (and his mates likely too!) that what Kath said was a seer hint, he would think that other villagers would think that too - but basically, that is as much stretching it as Eomer's theory itself seems to me.

But anyway, the other thing when re-reading was a slight more suspicion I gained about wilwa... I am just wondering about her voting for these two days, whether the consistency in it could not be artificial... but well. I guess I don't have much time till DL, so let's see now who has posted meanwhile and then get into voting... Hm.

EDIT: x-ed since Eönwë 209 or such

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, now I got completely puzzled at Eönwë's list: could you explain what is that supposed to mean? (Though not that you could not have picked a better time for that...)

EDIT: again x-ed since my last post

[wilwarin538]

Managed to make it on for some quick comments before the end.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

But anyway, the other thing when re-reading was a slight more suspicion I gained about wilwa... I am just wondering about her voting for these two days, whether the consistency in it could not be artificial... but well.

I can honestly say that my vote for Eomer yesterDay was random. The coin could have landed on Legate and I would still be suspicious of Eomer toDay, and good with Legate toDay. I'm not doing it purely to look consistent. I honestly just don't like the way Eomer is acting, I find him very defensive and eager to make himself look innocent.

Just wanted to comment on that quickly to just clear this up for good. I have to say I'm surprised on the small amount of votes so close to the end.

X'posted with a bunch actually

[Nogrod]

Well, you are all playing it too safe!

It's basically impossible to pick the wolves when every ordo is playing it safe.

Now where is this rant coming from? From the last Day's posting in the end as you all can't be baddies...

Wilwa was going to work and popped in three hours before the DL and Lhuna voted about two hours before. After that there were certain people around, namely: Kent, me, Izzy, Legate, Kath, Eönwë, Rune, Nienna, Eomer

Leaving out the known and dead innocents and myself (a known innocent to me) it leaves a list of: Kent, Legate, Eönwë, Rune, Nienna, Eomer.

Of these two gave their votes about an half an hour+ before the DL and never showed themselves after that. Namely Kent and Nienna. Both are very carefully positioned votes - and I could bet one of them or both didn't have to rush away from the computer so they probably hung around. But on what state of mind? And why didn't they come back to share their views?

Of course we have no way to say who else was coolly watching by as things unfolded but of these two we know they were there just half an hour before the DL.

Leaving also those two aside we get the list of: Legate, Eönwë, Rune, Eomer. So these were the people whom we do not know are innocents or not but stood there to the end.

Of these Rune concentrated on defending himself and disappeared when there was twenty minutes left. So he kind of goes to the similar kind of category with Kent and Nienna, only being less cautious.

Legate was pretty straightforward with saying he was for lynching Izzy. And even if she turned out innocent I think that was reasonable. The problem being that a wolf-Legate could have done exactly the same thing...

Eomer answers for Kent on behalf of Rune (making an indirect suspicion of Izzy by that) about half an hour before the DL. Then six minutes before lists the last votes deeming all of them ok or understandable save Sally's. Wants to save me and is happy tyo choose between Sally & Izzy (three minutes to DL).

Eönwë interestingly had been around consistently saying nothing. Twenty minutes before he manages to suspect Brinn (and possibly Sally) a little (referring to my suspicions). Ten minutes before he still concentrates on philology... Six minutes before comments on Kent (a point made by Izzy) ending up ambivalent about him. Then seems to be in a hurry notifying Sally (Kath that should be?) of posting a list at such a late hour. Finally chooses at zero hour wishing to save me and feeling bad to have killed Sally too many times and ends up with Izzy.

A few thoughts to follow...