WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Originally Posted by Zirry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilly

Is it just me or are these Zirries and Zillies a tad confusing? (And who's Zirry anyway? Aganzir?)


EDIT: x-ed with Inzy/Ladu/Zilly/Dun/whatever

[Boromir88]

Like I said, whatever everyone agrees on.~Zil

Plus passing my approval.

EDIT: Oooh how cool, this was my 444th post. I like even numbers.~Greenie

If it was your 666th I would see you are immediately lynched.

But since it's not...

++the phantom

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Is it just me or are these Zirries and Zillies a tad confusing? (And who's Zirry anyway? Aganzir?)

Yes, it's her, sorry - I did that on purpose.

I have a horrible urge to join the tp-wagon just for the fun of it but I'm afraid I might have to save my retraction for more useful purposes because tomorrow I will have to try to balance between studying and playing ww...


edit: xed with the ghost himself

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

++the phantom

Either Boro is just acting strange or else he has noticed something I haven't. *sigh* Now I'm just trying to figure out which of those is more probable. In any case, two unreasoned votes against the same person (whether or not it's the phantom) at this point of Day 1 confuses me a lot.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro

[Mithalwen]

Oh do you have to kill TP before we have had a chance to flirt? *sighs* .... has he done something to suggest he wants to join the Fenris Pack or is this a bandwaggon.,, *goes looksee*

[Boromir88]

And no, a toad isn't the same thing as frog.~tp

All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

All toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.

Hmm
Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of frogs

Before you meet the handsome prince you have to kiss a lot of toads

I have known some slimy frenchmen in my time... but they disposed of their princes with the guillotine...

No doesn't help .....

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lil'Greenie

Either Boro is just acting strange or else he has noticed something I haven't. *sigh* Now I'm just trying to figure out which of those is more probable.

I think it's either a scheme or a joke between friends and in both cases I advice to ignore it.

[Boromir88]

Lari was just being weird. Boro- he was just checking/testing.~tp

A test yes, but a test to find out about you? Throw out my past experiences, where my entire strategy rested on whether I thought you were innocent or not, I am trying to adjust so everything isn't about you. Besides I know you are always on your toes and would never fall for any of my tests.

So, a test you are right, but you are being used as the controlled variable, not what I am testing. Don't worry, you will be richly compensated for involuntarily taking part in the experiment.

[the phantom]

No, I don't plan on joining the Fenris pack today. Maybe some other time.

Lari was just being weird. Boro- he was just checking/testing. It remains to be seen whether or not I pass his test.

[Aganzir]

People I like: McC (although if he's planning to be quiet himself while saying the silent ones should be lynched first, I'm going to vote for him ), Laddie (who seems to be getting a grip on the game well), and Mith (speaks sense and is likeable anyway).
I'm also liking Lommy for now (except that phantom bandwagon comment which looked a bit evil), mainly because I agree with her pretty much.

People I don't like: Boro (nasty) and phantom (my main competitor for the ladies' attention, and why not that of the gentlemen's, too? ). I won't concentrate on them today though, as usual.

Originally Posted by Lomz

What's the point in voting someone in order not to get them lynched? Would not refraining from voting be wiser?

Well if she isn't sure of her participation tomorrow and doesn't want to risk modfire? In that case I understand.

Originally Posted by phantom

But then if the Lovers win, don't only they win, and the Goodies don't?

Why couldn't there be two/three different winners? It takes nothing away from us if also the lovers win, or vice versa. I think they just want to survive together, not at the expense of others.
And basically the longer they stay alive, the better for us since they can work from the basis that they know a bit more than just their own innocence.

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm eratic, kind of crazy.

You never guess how I misread that.

Originally Posted by Boro

Whatever these people say, believe the opposite: Agan and Fea

I think Boro looks rather innocent and smart, you know, a player who's good to have around.

Greenie - maybe you should calm down and ignore Boro and phantom? It might save you from lots of headache.

[wilwarin538]

The Day was now over. The sun was beginning to set, and darkness was starting to cover the land.

It had been quite the hectic Day. Accusations were thrown around, hateful things were said, hints were dropped, and arguments over the tastiness of beer were running rampid.

Finally, one by one, the villagers cast their votes. 3 suspects stood infront of them at this time. Nienna, Shasta and Boro. Which would it be?

The clock ticked and the sun sank deeper when the villagers finally decided. Nienna would be the one to kill.

The village lead her to a quiet little corner of the village. It was a place no one went to anymore, and the contraption sitting in the middle hadn't been used in centuries. Gwath stepped forward and removed the large blanket that covered it. Everyone let out a small gasp at the sight of the gallows that stood infront of them. Had they really resorted to such barbaric things?

Agan tested the rope as Eomer brought Nienna to the center of the death machine. The rope was then placed gently around her neck.

"Well, she's evil isn't she? We shouldn't all feel guilty if she's evil." Boro said, trying to sound forceful and confident.

"Yeah, he's right. We're doing what needs to be done to save our village!" McCaber agreed loudly, tossing his fist up in the air.

The others mimicked and yelled a collective "yeah!". As their confidence built up they became less and less fearful of taking the young bookkeepers life.

"You're making a mistake." Nienna whimpered softly. The village looked at her sternly.

"No we aren't." Mith said, as the phantom pulled the lever. There was a quiet snap. Nothing else.

The village left Eomer behind as they walked solemnly home. Nienna's innocent body could be seen swaying gently in the moonlight as he lowered his shovel from his shoulder once again.

The four baddies smiled to themselves as they took different routes to the Old Witch's home, slowly changing back to their real selves as the night grew darker.


The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Lommy - minstrel
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
Mith - herbalist
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Night 1 is now. I need names from all those who need to give me names. No posting on this thread please.

[wilwarin538]

The Baddies entered the Old Witch’s house in the same order that they had the previous Night.

“I’m glad to be back to my strong self, I hate being a weak human.” The Big Bad Wolf grumbled angrily while flexing all the digits on his large paws.

The Ugly Stepsister gave him a sharp glare. “I enjoy being human, maybe not this specific human, but at least human. It would have been far worse if I had to turn into a disgusting Wolf for 12 hours at a time.” She sat down opposite him, to the left of the Old Witch.

“I’m just glad I get to be taller than usual. It’s quite lovely.” Rumplie added happily, the only one actually smiling right now, as he sat across from the Old Witch. “You should all stop complaining; at least we’re all alive!”

“Exactly.” The Old Witch said, with a grin. “Now we must decide on someone to kill. Any preferences?”

Their discussion went on late into the Night until they finally decided on their victim.

“Let me take care of it this time.” The Big Bad Wolf said with a grin. The others agreed and they all left the small house and returned to their own to get a short, peaceful sleep.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

In another corner of town the wielder of the looking glass sat in front of his mirror once again. He thought long and hard about his choice and finally spoke the proper words. He then went to sleep with the new information written down safely in his journal, hoping that what he was doing would be enough to save the village.

The Huntsman sat on an old chair in the corner of his little house. He was quite troubled by the way the Day had ended, wishing he could have done something to prevent the loss of an innocent life. He went restlessly to sleep, his axe tucked back safely under his bed, wishing he could do something more to help them.

The Fairy Godmother now sat on the roof of the village’s church, eyeing the silhouette of the gallows in the distance. This was not supposed to be how it happened; she was supposed to be protecting the innocent, not participating in their murder. She looked in a different direction and rested her eyes on the home of the one she was protecting that Night, praying her efforts would be enough to save this village.

The night grew darker and darker, slowly drawing closer to dawn. The village slept quietly, but certainly not as peaceful as they had been the night before. They all hoped that this coming Day would end better then the last.

It is still Night 2. NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

Mod-note: I do these mid-Night narrations just to further along the story, and to amuse myself. (and hopefully you ) They contain no hints as to the Nightly activities, I promise.

[wilwarin538]

The sun rose on our little village to reveal a beautiful morning. Despite the fact that it was lovely out, the villagers that gathered in the town square felt a cold chill running down their spines. They were all grateful to be alive, but fearful of who would be missing. After a quick tally it became clear that Lommy was the one not among them.

The villagers gathered close together and walked solemnly to her little house, it was quite close to the town square so they didn’t have to go very far. It was small, but lovely, with a very large willow tree in the front lawn and many various flowers all about it. A curvy path led up to the small red door, well what used to be a small red door. Someone had smashed through the door and crumpled it to pieces.

The villagers stepped over the threshold one by one into the small entrance. To the left was a living room and to the right was a narrow staircase. Well, what used to be the narrow staircase. It had been trampled on quite fiercely and was all in pieces.

“Something quite large must have come through here.” Nerwen said, gaping at the gaps in the little house.

“Well, this happened at Night, so she must be in her bedroom.” Fea pointed out.

“Yes, well how do we get to it, her bedroom was up there.” Boro said, pointing to the top of the used-to-be-stairs.

“I have some rope back at my shop.” McCaber suggested helpfully, turning to leave.

“No need.” Inziladun called as he re-entered the house, carrying a large ladder. “Lommy used to love playing her music on the roof of her house; she used this to get up there.”

One by one they climbed the ladder up to the second floor of the house, Lommy’s bedroom was the first door on the right. They entered slowly.

It was not a pleasant sight that beheld them. Lommy was strewn all about the room. Well, what used to be Lommy anyway. Her instruments were also destroyed, in pieces everywhere. Nothing about it was out of the ordinary, for that had been what she was. Ordinary.

“It looks like she was mauled, by something quite large.” Nerwen said, elaborating on the statement she had previously made.

“Indeed.” A few agreed, nodding. Then, becoming too disgusted to bear it any longer, the villagers left and stepped back down the ladder and out of the house.

Eomer was left behind again, lowering his shovel as he gazed around the room. “How.......what......but......so many......uh, I need a new job.” He grumbled as he got to work.

The villagers regrouped in the town square and as they began to discuss Eomer rejoined them. They knew that the only way to stop the deaths would be to catch the perpetrators, and sadly that would result in more deaths.


The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
Mith - herbalist
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Day 1 is now. You may discuss dear village. I need names from all those who need to give me them.

[Boromir88]

Interesting choice, Lommy definitely posted a lot...the baddies might have thought she was gifted? The keeper of the looking glass?

Also, this type of kill might show we don't have baddies who kill off the silent. Time to go through Lommy's posts.

I guess I should say I am suspicious of (pretty much in the correct order)...

Mith
Agan
the phantom
Gwath

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What is it with you guys and killing Nienna while I'm asleep?

While I will happily admit that it makes my playing life much easier having Mira and Lari in England and Nienna dead, I still can't figure out why y'all keep killing her on Day Ones.

Is it a silent bow to my superiority? (Sorry, Nienna, don't hurt me, just kidding, I love you, please don't stab me in my sleep.)

And it's always after I go to bed. There's always somebody worthy of a good lynching on the chopping block, and then I wake up and Nienna was killed instead. What is this about? Someone please enlighten me.

Do I just know her so much better than everybody else, and therefore trust her logic and Day One statements much more?

Don't mind me, I'm just bothered that I haven't yet figured out a way to make Day Ones useful while they're happening.

[Inziladun]

Ach. Not a good start. I feel bad about Nienna. I didn't have a really strong case against her, but it was the best decision I could come up with. Maybe I should have gone with my number two choice, but it could have been worse, I guess. At least I didn't participate in the lynching of the Wielder or Fairy GM, and we can still count on their help.
Lommy was pretty visible, and she is obviously a respected player, so maybe that was why they singled her out.
Let's see what others have to say today. I wonder if Gaurcrist and some others who have been almost as scarce as he will rear their heads.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

“Something quite large must have come through here.” Nerwen said, gaping at the gaps in the little house.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

It looks like she was mauled, by something quite large.” Nerwen said, elaborating on the statement she had previously made.

I may as well reveal all now. I'm really... the Village Captain Obvious.

Well, our Moddess appears to think so, anyway.

Okay... I'm going to look through Lommy's posts now. I know Boro said he will, but a second look can't hurt.

Will I find anything? (2-1)

EDIT: X'd since Boro.

[Aganzir]

Grrr you go and kill Lommy right when I finally started getting along with her!

I just spent some hours studying English linguistics (to Mordor with them) with her and she was really angry with complementary word pairs the book talked about: "@%¤! Complementaries don't exist! A zombie is neither dead nor alive!"
Given her situation, I can understand her wrath.

I don't think she looked particularly like a gifted, although her comment about Fea being an evil scheming mastermind could be interpreted as seerish if Fea is a baddie. Nerwen had a good point about her voting Nienna because of that Fea vote, though.
However I think it's possible they thought she was a lover - immortal maiden elven-wise refers to Lúthien. I wouldn't have expected them to go after possible lovers this early, though. She didn't seem to be a particular threat to anyone, either.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I may as well reveal all now. I'm really... the Village Captain Obvious.

That comment cracked me up pretty badly.

Originally Posted by Cab

At this point, the wolves probably just want to cause confusion.

Why? With so many special roles around, I'd imagine they want to get early rid of as many of them as possible. It looks like you were nicely suggesting we can read nothing from Lommy's death because there was no reason the wolves killed her.

Originally Posted by Boro

What's interesting though about the Lommy choice, is they were not likely looking for little red cap. If Shasta is an ordo, and therefor is a chance of him being LRC, they might have wanted to try and pick up the extra player.

How does Lommy's death mean they weren't? Reddie is not a normal cursed who has to be killed in order to change sides, it's enough that the BBW guesses her. If Shasta isn't a wolf himself the BBW could have guessed him and made him a member of their team and we have no way of knowing about it.

I second Greenie's questions to Cab.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Could the wolves have thought they were lovers who had just found each other? Or could the line "watching the situation" have been taken as a Seer-hint?

That sounds a bit far-fetched to me. If they thought Lommy and Boro were lovers, why didn't they kill Boro who was dropping much more hints?
Hmm do the lovers unite as soon as the one guesses the other or only at the beginning of a day/night?

I know I'm being hypocritical as I always suspect people based on how they phrase things and such, but I don't think Boro's suspicion of Mith is very good. To me her posting didn't look very evil, but even if it had, her actions speak quite strongly for her innocence. I just can't see a baddie bringing up the points she did, eg those about Shasta. Yes maybe she might in order to look good, but if she's a wolf and Shasta isn't, lynching a possible Reddie would do more harm than good to her. Unless the wolves have found Reddie already on night 1...
Okay you have a point in that wolf/ordo-LRC/wolf thing though.

Originally Posted by Boro

the Agan buttering up type.

Have I ever told you you're a very good player regardless of whatever role you happen to have? Also, your sig is amusing and your dog cute.

Originally Posted by Boro

It really looks more like votes where they didn't care who ended up getting it

To be honest I didn't remember Hansel & Gretel when I voted. Or, I remembered their existence, but it wasn't on the top of my mind that they could influence the effect of my vote. I don't like the roles because they complicate things too much and I hate the thought of having to weigh all the things my vote can cause to happen before voting. That's not what my brain is best at doing.

Originally Posted by Mith

And on that subject since Nienna and Lommie were ordos that means Shasta, if he is telling the truth has a one in three chance of being Little Red Cap

No, it's also possible one of them was her. I think wilwa said her identity will not be revealed unless she has been turned before she dies.

Originally Posted by Boro

both stressed "Woah Shasta made an ordo claim! Watch the sneaky wolf trying to get us off his tail!"

No I didn't! My intention when pointing it out was to say that revealing is not a good idea for an ordo because it will help the wolves more than us, and I didn't vote for him because of the ordo comment but because of its possible consequences.

Originally Posted by Fea

neither side wins if the Lovers survive, right?

Nope I recall wilwa saying the lovers can win together with both the wolves and the village, they just need to survive.

Now I'm planning to go through the thread and try to sort my thoughts - I don't think I've ever had this hard a time figuring out roles.

[Gaurcrist]

In my opinion, there are two people who are acting quite strange, ever since the beginning. There are A Little Green and Boromir. I have one of those feelings in my gut about Boro, and he seems to be the most suspicious. Plus, I don't like his avatar. So, I will heed the teachings of Ocham's razor and choose Boromir.

++Boromir88

[Gaurcrist]

How come some people seem to have a grudge against me for not showing up to vote for one day? Especially you Phantom. I've got my eyes on you. I will not share my thoughts.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nope I recall wilwa saying the lovers can win together with both the wolves and the village, they just need to survive.

Yes.

[Aganzir]

How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.

Little Red Cap: --- Every Night the Big Bad Wolf sends me a name along with the baddies kill choice, if he guesses Little Red Cap then he has managed to persuade her that he is indeed her Granny, she becomes a baddie. --- if she dies before she is turned I will not reveal her identity, I won’t even tell Mr. BBW, mwahaha.

By the way Gaurcrist you need to be on the invisible mode while playing. You can do it by clicking User CP -> Edit Options and then checking the Use Invisible Mode box.

[Gaurcrist]

Why? Wilwa told me to turn it on.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.


By the way Gaurcrist you need to be on the invisible mode while playing. You can do it by clicking User CP -> Edit Options and checking the Use Invisible Mode box.

Well, Agan, after reading your post I re-checked the rules. Yeah, I missed that.

Still, now there's no reason not to lynch Shasta.

Also, Gaurcrist: Too funny. I'm watching the phantom too - that creature is a diabolical rogue and requires fist-shaking in his general direction. Bah!

[Mithalwen]

Thanks Aganzir .. I didn't register that...

Maybe I should let up on Shasta .. but.... I want to hear from him ...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Gaur

How come some people seem to have a grudge against me for not showing up to vote for one day? Especially you Phantom.

Oh, yes, I have certainly expressed a huge grudge against you.

Let's take a look at what I said-

Originally Posted by me

Gaurcrist- What the heck? If he's another no-show today then he dies. What should we do about that?

All I do is point out that if you miss another day, you are automatically killed by the Moderator, and I ask what we should do about that in case you don't show up. (In other words, should we cut our losses and lynch someone who is going to die anyway.) But since you showed up that obviously isn't the case any more.

But it's very strange that you would be so incredibly touchy about a harmless comment which does nothing but point to the rules.

And let's take a look at your other post.

Originally Posted by Gaur

In my opinion, there are two people who are acting quite strange, ever since the beginning. There are A Little Green and Boromir. I have one of those feelings in my gut about Boro, and he seems to be the most suspicious. Plus, I don't like his avatar.

Hmm.... So Boro and Green have been "strange". And you would know this because you've played countless games against them, yes? Or perhaps you mean some other kind of strange, in which case you might want to point it out.

And for someone who doesn't like people holding grudges against them for not showing up, you voice a grudge against Boro because of his avatar? Very nice. As this is a participation game, showing up is kinda sorta important. Much more important than having a pleasing avatar.

[Isabellkya]

Izzy is here baking fresh sweet cakes and catching up.

[Aganzir]

I'm not nearly done with the read-through yet but I'm too tired to go on now so I guess I'll just go and finish it in the morning. Sorry I've been so unhelpful thus far.

However I must say Mith is confusing me.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Maybe I should let up on Shasta .. but.... I want to hear from him ...

Why does the fact that we don't know if Reddie has been turned mean you should let up on him?
And I want to hear from him too, now more than ever.

Also, her suggestion that phantom & Gaurcrist's clash was wolf-on-wolf was weird.

Anyway I'm going now, good night.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

However I must say Mith is confusing me.

Why does the fact that we don't know if Reddie has been turned mean you should let up on him?
And I want to hear from him too, now more than ever.

.

It was the reduced statistics not the not knowing if he had been turned. If he is LRC Iwould say he has certainly been turned... but the probability that he was LRC hadn't increased as I had assumed because I thought that Lommie and Nienna had been eliminated as candidates. I still think he is worth lynching.. but so is Boro and maybe one or two others.... and I would like to save my own skin if at all possible. Though I am beginning to doubt it.

[Gwathagor]

Hey, sorry I haven't been around. Reeaally busy day, and now I have to go to bed or else I'll be exhausted for work in the morning. I'll try to read a little first and maybe vote, but I may just try to wake up before DL and vote then. Again, sorry.

[the phantom]

In case I don't post again tonight, I'll for sure make it back in the hour before the deadline.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, way too tired here, going to bed. Apologies for lack of involvement toDay.