WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Boro

Very bad? That's kind of a wierd statement...if you're the Ranger, what caused the "very bad" feeling about Kath's lynching? Maybe we are running out of time, but if you are the Ranger, you should not be worried about mistakingly lynching a giftedm and if you had any suspicion on her...why the "very bad" feeling?

That one had nothing to do with rangerness. Have you never been in the situation where voting someone would make logical sense, but it still doesn't feel right?

Originally Posted by Boro

But didn't you vote for Kath and then retract? You had to be suspicious of her, why would that previous suspicion by voting for her suddenly make you believe today she is probably innocent?

Probably bad conscience. I have actually flip-flopped on that again by now. She could maybe have been a wolf with Lommy.

Originally Posted by Boro

Hmm...not sure I agree, but this really isn't a point as to whether you are the Ranger or not. I'm just saying, that Lommy's aggressiveness after you is something I have never seen from her. So I have no idea whether she is innocent, or wolf...what I do know is she is more confident you are a wolf than I have ever seen. But why would that reveal anything about mutineer numbers?

If she's a wolf, which I have no doubt about, then her aggressiveness could come to bite her after my death. It only makes sense to pull it off if the village has no time to come and bite you. Therefore, the wolf numbers must be high - that together with possibly living cobblers would make this attack a very good tactic. The fact that the roles aren't revealed makes it even more so, a lot.

Originally Posted by Boro

But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?

Give me another day and another protection, of course.


crossed with Lommy

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Mac you forget the possibility that someone would think you a cobbler.

Maybe I forgot it because I'm not one?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sidenote: I'm not going to bother defending myself against Lomwolf because she doesn't have one iota of a case. Sorry, darling.

[Boromir88]

That one had nothing to do with rangerness. Have you never been in the situation where voting someone would make logical sense, but it still doesn't feel right?~Mac

Yes, but you just said if Lommy's not a wolf, we will only be losing an innocent. And if you really are the Ranger, why the fear in lynching Kath? That's what I'm trying to point out, as an ordo I always fear mistakingly lynching a gifted, but as one of the gifteds I always feel more confident and aggressive in my voting, as I know I'm one of the gifteds. I'm just saying it looks like you were trying to strike up fear in lynching Kath, but if you're really the Ranger you should not be fearing the lynch would go "very bad."

If she's a wolf, which I have no doubt about, then her aggressiveness could come to bite her after my death. It only makes sense to pull it off if the village has no time to come and bite you. Therefore, the wolf numbers must be high - that together with possibly living cobblers would make this attack a very good tactic. The fact that the roles aren't revealed makes it even more so, a lot.

Or we're not doing bad afterall and desperation is setting in? I'm waiting for Lommy's response to my question earlier, until I answer that more fully. Plus Gwath's mod-fire might play into the wolf strategy, if he is one...hmm

Give me another day and another protection, of course.

Ahh got it...I was thinking if you really believe we don't have many days left, and we miss-lynch today, what's the point in giving you another day and lynching you tomorrow? You must be pretty confident than you won't be night killed?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

got it...I was thinking if you really believe we don't have many days left, and we miss-lynch today, what's the point in giving you another day and lynching you tomorrow? You must be pretty confident than you won't be night killed?

That's a good point. No self-saves from the Ranger this game. Nothing would
save the real one ToNight.

[Isabellkya]

--Mac

Perhaps toMorrow then.

[Thinlómien]

Izzy you freaking cobbler! I think Boro just brought a point that more or less proves Mac can't be the real ranger and you retract. Holy cow. If I was you and I was innocent I'd vote him again pretty quickly.

edit: xed with Mac and Boro

[Isabellkya]

What point would that be?

X'd with Nog.

[Thinlómien]

You really think I'd stay up more or less all night because of you if I was a mutineer? Like I said, I'm not that bad. Trust me I'd not be so picky, I'd go to sleep and not draw attention to myself like this. I'm not utterly stupid. A mutineer would be happy with a majority of the lynch choices. And I could have given up without losing my face, I could just have gone to sleep and told everybody they should lynch you meanwhile. I had the majority's trust. Do you think I would have started playing on it just to get a random innocent lynched? No, I'm not stupid.

Originally Posted by Mac

Maybe I forgot it because I'm not one?

That is quite probable. I was just pointing out there was a hole in your logic.


edit: xed with Shasta well I will have a case toMorrow if we lynch that wretched Mac now, I promise

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I was just pointing out there was a hole in your logic.

Not really. Since you could, in theory, be one, too, I merely ignored uninteresting cases.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Not really. Since you could, in theory, be one, too, I merely ignored uninteresting cases.

In theory I could be anything. Anything except the hunter.

edit: xed with Izzy

[Macalaure]

Who's still left?

Eonwe and Mith will not come back, and I don't expect Gwath to show up (not to mention that I wouldn't expect him to vote against his fellow). Apart from Gwath, the only outstanding vote is mine. Without retractions, we have: Mac 5, Lommy 2. I need two retractions out of you three, Boro, Nerwen, and Izzy. Pretty please?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Izzy

If I'm just a probable Cobbler or Mutie to you; then my vote matters not.

Your vote counts as 1, like everybody else's. I don't care about your possible role right now.

Originally Posted by Izzy

You think you can pull the argument... lynch Lommy first and her death will PROVE your Rangership?

Never claimed that it will prove anything. Just claimed that, from your point of view, it's logical to proceed in this order.

[Isabellkya]

But the fact is, I'm the only one here in Izzy's point of view.
Soo.. xD

You are a mutineer Lommy.
Common Sense is relative.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Boro

That's what I'm trying to point out, as an ordo I always fear mistakingly lynching a gifted, but as one of the gifteds I always feel more confident and aggressive in my voting, as I know I'm one of the gifteds. I'm just saying it looks like you were trying to strike up fear in lynching Kath, but if you're really the Ranger you should not be fearing the lynch would go "very bad."

The chances of lynching a gifted are not really that much better when you're gifted yourself. Unless my gift gives me extra knowledge, I'm not more confident in my choices.

We might have a different idea of "very bad". I didn't mean it in a lynch-gifted kind of way, it just expressed my feelings at the time.

Originally Posted by Boro

Plus Gwath's mod-fire might play into the wolf strategy, if he is one...hmm

Hmmmm! I didn't think about that at all! If Gwath is indeed a wolf, then the wolves are in dire risk of losing one of their own. That means either that the wolves aren't doing that well after all, or that Gwath is innocent, in which case the wolves have even more reason to be optimistic.

crossed with everyone since my last.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

I merely ignored uninteresting cases.

So who's the populist here?

edit: xed with Mac

[Isabellkya]

If Nerwen returns, she probably will. So she can keep on trying to look innocent. xD

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If Nerwen returns, she probably will. So she can keep on trying to look innocent. xD

Well, she won't look innocent in my books after that. Or I don't know who'd think her more innocent because of that. Mac is threatened to the corner and he made the only bluff that has a chance of saving his life and if someone believes it I say everything's not quite right with their common sense.

edit: xed with Boro and Mac

[Isabellkya]

If I'm just a probable Cobbler or Mutie to you; then my vote matters not.

A Mutineer is a Mutineer - no matter how you slice 'em up. (or what order they go in.)

You think you can pull the argument... lynch Lommy first and her death will PROVE your Rangership? Nut uh. Not possible. Unless she comes back for second deaths.


oh Shasta - I never said I believed Mac's claim as Ranger.


X'd with Nog, Mac, and Lommy.
Edit 2. An S went AWOL.