T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Thinlómien]

Oh. My. Goodness.

Such epic fail from everyone's part.

And if we fail the lynch toDay, we die. Three wolves against two ordos and two rangers.

I think the rangers should come forwards (of course not telling who's which), because that would narrow down our chance of hitting an innocent drastically (from 4/7 to 2/7, or something else even if there are false claims).

And this is so ironic, I stayed up until the DL just to be here to prove myself true to my words and call for a vote of no confidence in myself.

But I'm not doing that, whatever you say.

I'm an ordo, and that means I'm an ideal Captain. I won't be willing to surrender the post to anybody, because a Wolf as a Captain toDay would be a disaster. If a Ranger comes out and gives valid enough proof for their role, I can vote them for Captaincy (if - when? - it makes more sense to have them as Caps than as working agents during the Night).

I'm here now and will be until I get an RPG post finished, but then I'm going to sleep (and I'll be back).

PS. My current guess at the trio is Sally + Nienna + Kath, or possibly Loslote as one of them (Kath?).


edit: xed with Nienna and Loslote

[Thinlómien]

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

Nice try darling.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think the rangers should come forwards (of course not telling who's which)

Well, a good idea but sadly against the rules.

Originally Posted by the Rules

- No one should reveal or falsely reveal the role one has during the Days (during the Nights you can claim whatever you want if able to PM others you don't know the role of).

[Loslote]

I was the Night-Talker last Night, and I talked to Nienna. I think she's ordo.

[Nienna]

I call for a Vote of No Confidence in Lommy. This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch. I don't care if Lommy is an innocent or not. She should not get control over the lynch.

[Loslote]

I don't think Lommy should be captain. I suspect her to be a wolf, and I don't like that she wants to keep the captain role now, of all times.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, a good idea but sadly against the rules.

Ouch. I had forgotten that. My apologies.

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too. That would leave me with only one more innocent, who could be anybody of the remaining four. However, I really feel Sally + Nienna + Loslote makes the most sense, because Sally and Nienna have been trusting each other all game long (quite cleverly because mutual Night talks) and Loslote has joined the alliance now on the Day when the wolves have to keep their lines even to win. Also, Loslote choosing Nienna to talk with (and calling her innocent based on that) fits quite nicely to the picture.

Of course, this is pure speculation. I have to do some research and consider options, but I'm leaving it all for tomorrow - it's 1.30 am and I'd better sleep.

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.


edit: xed with Nog and Loch Ness

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.

Check #547...

[Loslote]

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?

EDIT: Xed with Nienna and Nog.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?

Exactly. "No Captain" is not an option toDay as you have one already.

And to make the rest perfectly clear as well...

If Lommy is the Captain in the end of the Day it's her second Day and she can override the lynching for good or bad; to lynch someone who has one vote less than the one going to be lynched (or deciding on a draw) or cancel the lynch altogether (no one dies).

If you choose someone else, that Captain only has power to decide in a case of a tie.

But you need to have one or another.

[Nienna]

*salutes* Got it dear.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, your rules suck.

I understand if you don't want me to remain in office in a situation like this, but I would prefer to stay myself, of course, because then I will know there's an innocent Captain and I can even save it if the wolves are to win (assuming I can get it right, which I would not be sure of).

If there is to be someone else as a Captain, I really have to ponder who would I trust enough.

But now, good night.


edit: xed with people... and people, you know I xed with the mod, I'm not totally stupid...

[Loslote]

I'd support Sally for Captain. I trust her, I don't think she's a wolf, and it won't matter anyway unless we lynch a wolf now. So I'd like to focus on the lynch and let the Captain take backseat.

[Nienna]

Yes that makes sense.

Kath are you around? What thinks you?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too.

Why? You just said he didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?

[Nienna]

YesterDay's vote: Interestingly all the lynchees were innocents (or gifteds if we want to get technical) and all the people who were voted as captain are still alive.

Captaincy:
Roa -> Gwath
Fea -> Lommy
Nerwen -> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy
Greenie -> Nienna
Loslote -> Lommy
Legate -> Nienna (3)
Lommy -> Lommy
Nienna-> Lommy (6)

NG:
Roa -> Kath (INVALID VOTE)
Fea -> Greenie
Nerwen -> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
Sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen
Loslote -> Gwath (2)
Legate -> Nienna (2)
Nienna-> Nerwen (3)

Lynching:
Roa -> Legate
Fea -> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa
Greenie -> Roa
Loslote -> Roa
Lommy-> Fea
Gwath-> Roa
Nienna-> Roa(6)

Didn’t vote: Nerwen, Sally

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

++lynch Fea

to give an alternative.

I can't pretend I have concrete evidence against her, but that doesn't mean I don't suspect her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think it would be a good idea to open up another option:

++Lynch Loslote.

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.

[Nogrod]

Another clarification of the rules...

Originally Posted by Nienna

This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch.

Basically, as long as you have a Captain in the beginning of the Day, you're stuck with there being a Captain. And you can decide only on who it is.

Originally Posted by the Rules

If people don’t want to have a Captain at some point of the game when the earlier one has died they can also vote “no Captain”. If the “no Captain” votes are a majority there will be no Captain unless someone calls for a new referendum the next Day (or the next, or…).

[Loslote]

Right, but at least they would only control the vote in case of a tie. If Lommy stayed, she'd have much more power. So electing a new Captain would help limit the vote controlling aspect of the role.

[Nienna]

What I'm worried about is not a choice in a tie but the other more important choice of controlling if someone gets lynched:

Originally Posted by Master Nog

Can override a lynch by cancelling it alltogether (no one dies), deciding a draw or changing the lynchée to someone who has not more than one vote less than the one about to die

So I'm thinking Sally for Captain.