TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Roa

I was pulling for you, BTW.

Well, it would have completely changed the game, had you had your way. I was hoping that I had attracted enough suspicion on Day 1 (thanks largely to you, funnily enough) for the Wolves to leave me alone. Also, Fea and I were both mentioned as possible Cobblers at various times, which we thought might be to our benefit. In that regard, we were quite annoyed when Greenie turned out to be the Cobbler.

Originally Posted by Roa

We had better odds with you alive than with you dead.

Why? Because of the revenge kill? Or because you thought that our votes more likely to favour you than the innocents? Because, as known non-Wolves, our continued presence increased the chances of innocents voting for a Wolf.

I am interested, because I was really worried that you would attack one of us at Night and go for the sole victory. As a Wolf, I would have been sorely tempted to.

[Hakon]

I never did dream of Boro. I dreamed of Sally the first night and Pitchwife the second night. I originally planned of dreaming Pitch the first night and SPM the second night and Boro the third night but things shifted. I had SPM pegged for the ranger around the time I died and Boro pegged for either the cobbler or a wolf. I would like to apologize for being such a horrible seer. I clearly make a much better ranger.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I never did dream of Boro. I dreamed of Sally the first night and Pitchwife the second night. I originally planned of dreaming Pitch the first night and SPM the second night and Boro the third night but things shifted. I had SPM pegged for the ranger around the time I died and Boro pegged for either the cobbler or a wolf. I would like to apologize for being such a horrible seer. I clearly make a much better ranger.

I wasn't much shakes as a ranger. Then again, as Fea accurately noted in game, the strategy of the ranger changes quite a bit when all the other gifteds check out by Day 2. You're limited to trying to protect likely innocents. Unfortunately, the only innocent I was entirely sure of was me.

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I wasn't much shakes as a ranger. Then again, as Fea accurately noted in game, the strategy of the ranger changes quite a bit when all the other gifteds check out by Day 2. You're limited to trying to protect likely innocents. Unfortunately, the only innocent I was entirely sure of was me.

I am annoyed that I did not dream of you in this game. My meta game reasoning had you as a gifted. The reason being I am always suspicious of you and the seer could talk with gifteds they dreamed of in this game.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I am annoyed that I did not dream of you in this game. My meta game reasoning had you as a gifted. The reason being I am always suspicious of you and the seer could talk with gifteds they dreamed of in this game.

Could certainly have made a difference, especially if you'd gotten hold of Morsul. All of us able to PM might have been decisive. Ah, the possibilites....

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I am annoyed that I did not dream of you in this game. My meta game reasoning had you as a gifted. The reason being I am always suspicious of you and the seer could talk with gifteds they dreamed of in this game.

And 3rded to what Pitch and Nog said.

A lot of the times too, it depends upon not only what side you are on, but who your enemies are. Like my first game as a wolf, I had phantom and Lalaith as partners, we went straight through and none of us got lynched. But another game as a wolf, phantom and Lalaith were innocent, and I was lynched Day 1 - both voted for me and phantom gave the final vote to put me in the lead, because they knew my wolf-habits and I was acting the same.

Or I should have figured out in this game, when Nog and I are on opposing sides, I have been a pain in his rear too many times, and if he doesn't kill me early I make him regret it.

It's not that being killed/lynched early = you played bad, a lot of it depends not only on who is playing, but what roles they have.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Spm

Why? Because of the revenge kill? Or because you thought that our votes more likely to favour you than the innocents? Because, as known non-Wolves, our continued presence increased the chances of innocents voting for a Wolf.

I am interested, because I was really worried that you would attack one of us at Night and go for the sole victory. As a Wolf, I would have been sorely tempted to

I don't actually remember all the PM's we shared by then, but my view was that your revenge-kill might actually cripple our lines as there were such great odds for you to hit it right. I mean you would have gone with lynching Roa the next Day - and the other one had decent chances of shooting it right with the vengeance - and staying as a known innocent that Inzil could guard the Night he would then have died... so the lynching on the next Day would have been really tense - and bad in numbers for us.

And well anyway... There were a bit too many if's with that vengeange kill (the possibility of Roa being lynched to add there) and the remaining lover playing for the innocents as a known innocent - alongside Inzil making it two in the worst case etc...

So a deal... at least in the short sight was better for us. I mean I actually wasn't sure the game was going to end when it did. It was actually 2 against 3 and not an ending position...

But talking of my position, I would have voted for making it a shared win by killing Nerwen then, but who knows had I been persuaded...


On another issue: don't blame yourself Hakon, it's not everyDay the seer makes the right choices. Quite the contrary...