TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher

[The Saucepan Man]

Continuing the series of soppy love notes ...

Originally Posted by SpM

Lover dearest

Dear Foo Foo

Quite a good Night for us I think. Two Gifteds and a Bear out of the way. It’s great for us, I think, that the Wolves got the Bear, since it massively reduces the prospects of one of us dying at Night and also opens up the possibility for us to reveal (of which more below). Sorry to see Boro go though.

With the Wolves currently in the ascendancy, I think that our best tactic, for toDay at least, may be to try to get another innocent lynched (not one of us, obviously). I still haven’t got any clear picture of who is who, but I am thinking that the Wolves may be Nogrod, Loslote, one of Lari or sally, and one other. Possibly Pitch. Not at all sure at this stage though.

I see that the idea of me being the Cobbler has come up again. This is to be encouraged, as most Villagers are far keener on lynching Wolf suspects than Cobbler suspects and it may help me to avoid the Wolves at Night.

With regard to the prospect of revealing, this will become a very viable tactic with the death of only a few more innocents. There are currently 14 villagers. If an innocent is lynched toDay, then there will be 12 tomorrow. Assuming that we both survive the Night then, together with the Wolves and the Cobbler, we would form an unbeatable voting block of 7 versus 5. The question of whether it would work depends upon whether the Wolves are gamblers. They could gamble on winning alone and risk killing one of us or take the safe course of siding with us and sharing the victory.

For now, however, I don’t think that there is any sense in us revealing unless one of us is in very serious danger of being lynched. As I will not be there at the deadline, that may be something that you wil have to judge.

What do you think?

Love etc

Snugglepuss

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Lover dearest

Couldn't have planned it better.

Frankly, I'd enjoy teaming up with the wolves for a co-victory strictly because it would be fun to watch the village squirm helplessly. And I always do so prefer to be a manipulative baddie in these games... It's more fun when you need not worry about anybody but yourself.

Originally Posted by Fea

Snookums-

Now normally I wouldn't dream of taking over your assumed role of cobbler, but

1) if the village thinks I'm the cobbler, they'll leave me alone

2) if the wolves think I'm the cobbler, they'll leave me alone

3) if they can't figure out which of us is the cobbler, we have nothing to fear from the wolves, and the village, without a clear target, is more easily manipulated.

Besides: Roa told me I wasn't cute.

Originally Posted by SpM

Fee Fee Dearest

Hush now, of course you're cute.

I don't see any harm in you putting yourself forward as a competing Cobbler candidate. If the Wolves see us both as potential Cobblers, then that can only be to our advantage. I see that you have been attracting a bit of suspicion yourself, which is good as long as it doesn't gather too much of a head. I am rather disappointed in a way that all the suspicion of me that was around yesterDay has somewhat evaporated. It increases the chances of the Wolves coming after me toNight.

I have no idea who to vote for at the moment. Porbably one of Greenie, McCaber, sally or Lottie, as my sstated supicions have been heading in their direction. Problem is, I think that one of sally or Lari probably is a Wolf. But it might look opportunistic to jump on the gathering suspicion of Greenie and McCaber. Anyway, I'll hang around for a bit and see what develops.

On possibly revealing toMorrow, I think that we should consider it if there are 5 baddies and 5 goodies (and us), as we would hold the balance of power and be able to deliver the Wolves a win. It's risky as we would leave ourselves open if the Wolves wanted to go for the sole victory, or (as Nogrod might) thought it unsporting. Problem is, I am not going to be around much toMorrow. I will only be around early in the Day and then later, at about this time.

What do you think?

Love etc

~Snookums~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Fee Fee Dearest

Why thank you, dear.

That makes two of us. I had to start talking after Pitch pointed out the flaw of my acrostic argument. Of course it's not like it wasn't intentional... Anybody who believed what I said about not being able to expose my opinions because they don't rhyme easily clearly didn't notice the fact that I explained this in standard verse, using an acrostic that spelled out "Why I'm not a wolf." Including the apostrophe!

But having to talk meant having to think fast, and just because I want to lynch the so-called reindeer doesn't mean I think they're evil it just means I think they're less able to be manipulated due to inactivity. And I don't want to kill an actual wolf or the cobbler if we're going to want their numbers later.

It's not unsporting if only due to the fact that I said point blank in one of my posts that the Lovers might not have the village's best interest in mind. I consider that revelation to be fair warning, and I consider Roa's brush off of the Lovers not being a threat as a dare.

I'm not sure if I'll be around at all, actually. I'm trying very hard not to be, but there's been an unexpected shuffling of vehicles in my household and the odds of borrowing Dad's car are significantly worse than the odds of borrowing Mom's. However Mom's car needs new tires (particularly since it started snowing... tonight...), which Dad (who fixes cars) will be putting on... on the day I want to borrow a car... While Mom drives Dad's car to work...

So ideally, I'll be around only from about seven hours after Day starts, then in the hours leading up to deadline. But all the middle ones, I hope to be missing in action. Except for the fact that Dad's really uptight about his car. So I might be around all day.

Ah, my lack of car and my inconvenient location in the back end of nowhere...

Love and rose petals,

Pookie

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Fee Fee Dearest

I didn't notice but I hope one of the Wolves does. Its very Cobbleresque. And brilliant too.

Ditto. I went for Greenie. She could be a Wolf, but I thought on balance not. Nogrod looks more Wolfish to me at the moment. Roa, I am fairly sure, is innocent.

Yes, I noticed that. Fair point. So, let's play it by ear. But, if we get the chance, it may well be worth going for. We can plan it together during the Day if necessary. Provided, of course, that we are both around at the same time. Which is likely, I think, as I should be around a few hours before the deadline.

Love etc

~Snookums~

Originally Posted by Fea

Oh Lover Boy!-

Can you hear me, lover boy?

Mistress Moddess Stick requests that if you have the PMs I've sent you, don't delete them, since she'd very much love to read our correspondence post-game.

[The Saucepan Man]

The Day of the big reveal ...

Originally Posted by SpM

Oh Lover Girl

Yes, I have been saving them in a Word document in case I needed to refer back to anything, and also in case anyone was interested in reading them post game.

I really do not have much time now, I am afraid. I have just posted and tried to draw some pressure of you, but I am afraid that you are likely to be in the firing line toDay. The Wolves are likely to be stirring up suspicion of you. I should be back about 6 hours before the dealine.

On revealing - Although it is open to us now, I am wary because I think that the Wolves will be feeling in a strong position and are unlikely to go for it. That said, we should certainly reveal if either of us is looking likely to be lynched. I will leave it to you to judge if that becomes a possibility while I am away, but I will obviously support you when I return.

Best of luck.

Love etc

~Snooklepan Man~

Originally Posted by Fea

Coup.

I'd like to try it. But I think it would go better if you suggested it, as the senior member of our little love pairing.

Originally Posted by Fea

Lover boy,

You officially rock my world for that post. I particularly like when you tell Roa that I'm cute.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Lover girl,

You are most welcome. I rather enjoyed the drama of it myself.

I think that we should just string things along for a while now and see where the reactions go. Towards the end of the Day, once a few votes have been cast, and provided that neither of us are in line to be lynched, I plan on trying to make a deal with the Wolves by suggesting that, if they leave us alone toNight, we will vote with them toMorrow (and thereby win together). But I don't want to do that just yet, in case the innocents take it into their heads to vote for us.

I am going to try to stick around to the end of toDay - even though it will be 5am my time.

Love etc

~Saucikins~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Lover girl,

We're quite the evil pair, aren't we? I think we deserve congratulations. Almost a pair of werebears, us.

Yes, I'm clearly just being mean now.

I'll leave it to you.

Your dedication assures me our love will last forever and ever and ever.

I'll be up too.

Doves and starlight and champagne kisses,

Fiffy

Originally Posted by SpM

Wolf spotting

Dearest Fiffy

I think that it is in our best interests for an Innocent to be lynched, so we should look to vote accordingly.

I am thinking that Loslote is quite possibly a Wolf and that Nogrod may be too. I also think that either Inzil or Pitch is a Wolf.

McCaber I think may be innocent. And I am pretty sure that Roa is innocent. Her fit of pique at our comments suggests as much. I don't think that she would have reacted in the way she did, were she a Wolf.

What do you think?

Love etc

~Saucikins~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Wolf spotting

It will certainly provide the most amusement for us and the mods...

I concur.

I would be extremely surprised if Roa was a wolf after her vote for me. McCaber, I don't actually know.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Wolf spotting

Dearest Pookie

I put a vote down for Roa to see if I can encourage any more out. I can always change it if necessary.

I'm thinking McCaber innocent because he seems to be the 'fall guy' who has acted suspiciously and been seized upon by the Wolves for it.

It looks pretty likely that you would have been lynched toDay but for our reveal, so I think that we did the right thing whatever happens.

And anyway, I'm quite enjoying it. It's a bit like Bonnie and Clyde or something ...

Love etc

~Saucikins~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Wolf spotting

I saw that. Our lupine buddies must be dying right about now, trying to figure out what to do.

I briefly considered voting pro-villager if we could draw out wolves, but I really didn't think any wolves would be stupid enough to clearly state their affiliation in case we were bluffing.

Well they've gotta have someone, since I'm obviously off limits now.

I concur.

Actually, this might be the most fun I've ever had playing werewolf.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Wolf spotting

Oh, sally's vote for Roa is interesting. Perhaps she's a Wolf, in which case killing Lari was a bold move.

Brinniel looks innocent to me for that analysis of us - it looks to have been done from an innocent perspective.

I don't think that there is any need to offer any deal any more. The options should be pretty clear to the Wolves now. And I am glad that Nog mentioned that the Ranger might consider protecting one of us in the unfortunate event that a Wolf is lynched toDay.

Love etc

~SpL~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Wolf spotting

I'm not certain just now who to vote for. Roa, d'you think?

Poor sleepy darling, I hope this is worth it.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Wolf spotting

The only innocent that I am pretty confident about is Roa. I think that McCaber is innocent but can't be sure.

I would suggest voting Roa, but not just yet in case it gives a clue that we think her innocent. Can you hold your vote 'til the last minute?

I have gone through the sleepy phase. I am enjoying this far too much to go to bed.

Love etc

~Snookums~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Wolf spotting

Certainly.

Yes... I believe we're the first lovers to tell the innocent villagers to get stuffed... It's an event not to be missed.

Originally Posted by SpM

Before Night falls ...

It looks to me that there is a strong chance of at least one Wolf being among the McCaber voters, which woud suggest his innocence. Good.

Let's hope the Wolves see sense and leave us alone toNight ...

Love etc
~Sauciekins~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Before Night falls ...

True that.

<3

Good grief. Amazing how off-beam my speculations were on this Day. In my defence, I was relying on alcohol to keep me awake through the early hours ...

[The Saucepan Man]

More love-struck missives ...

Originally Posted by SpM

More Wolf spotting ...

Dearest Fee Fee

I must admit that McCaber’s Wolfishness came as somewhat of a surprise to me. Looking back on it, I can see why the Wolves might have wanted to sacrifice him. It does make me wonder, however, whether we were wrong about Roa and the Wolves chose to sacrifice McCaber instead of her.

Her annoyance yesterDay looked genuine at the time. But, it’s possible that it was put on and that she voted for you to test whether there might be more general support for doing so. After all, the Wolves’ best bet for a sole victory would have been to get one of us lynched during the Day and kill the other at Night since that would remove two known innocents and even possibly avoid our revenge kill (it’s not clear whether we get that at Night). Then, when she saw that it didn’t work, she came on toDay all apologetic. Notably, it’s the second time in the game that she’s changed tack (her change of approach to me from Day 1 to Day 2).

It’s difficult to tell as she is hot headed and I can quite believe that our fun and games yesterDay would have wound her up. On the other hand, I am not at all sure that we can rely on her being innocent now.

Clearly at least one Wolf voted for McCaber and quite possibly two. It may be that all three voted for him, although I regard this as less likely, as it would surely have required some kind of planning and their main plan at the start of yesterDay would have been to get you lynched. So I would think that any Wolf votes for McCaber would have come later in the Day, when they saw that he was likely to get lynched in any event. If so, that points to Inzil, Nerwen and/or Brinn. Indeed, a Wolf pack of two of those and Roa would make quite a lot of sense, in light of the voting record.

Clearly, I am now less convinced of the Wolfishness of Nog and Loslote.

Sorry that I can’t be more certain, but McWolf’s lynching has rather thrown me.

Love etc.

~Saucikins~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: More Wolf spotting ...

It didn't come as a surprise to me, because as you'll remember, I mentioned a few Days ago that there was something about him that was ringing alarm bells.

What did surprise me was how anti-climactic the end of Day was.

Why on earth wouldn't the pack vote to kill of Roa?

They clearly had our contribution, they had plenty of time to do it.

She's a suspected innocent by just about everybody, and she's oh so helpful to the village. Clearly it should have been an easy choice: once I'm no longer an option and Cabbie's on the chopping block, make a quick case against somebody else (or simply be transparent).

There are only two reasons why they didn't kill Roa instead of Cabbie: she's the pack leader or the wolves want the village to think she is. But the problem with the second idea is when they would have had time to discuss it, since we threw an obvious wrench in the Day with our little stunt.

I think they had to choose the lesser of two evils and went with the Cabbie lynch to buy themselves time to discuss things further.

Well after all the time and effort I put into antagonizing her (nothing personal, she was just the most outspoken 'innocent.' I'd have just as methodically irritated anybody else in her position if the opportunity had arisen) I'd have been shocked if she didn't snap.

Actually, I don't know either. I know that suicide is an option (I asked), so that wasn't just me talking smack.

Ah, this game... It's actually some of the most fun I've ever had playing. I thank you for that. You're a wonderful conspirator.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: More Wolf spotting ...

The only think that I can think of is that it would have looked bad for them if she is innocent. But I agree. She was generally suspected for her reaction at our reveal, so they could easily have talked their way out of it. I am increasingly of the view that Roa is a Wolf, together with two of Inzil, Nerwen and Brinn. Sally, I think, is their chosen innocent 'fall guy' du jour (although I thought that yesterDay about McCaber, so what do I know).

And didn't I tell you that Noggie would accuse us of playing unsportingly. If he is a Wolf, then I doubt that the pack will make a deal with us. But I now think it much more likely that he is innocent. His posts bemoaning our approach look genuine to me. What's more, his analysis of who might be Wolves is pretty much in line with the way that I have been thinking toDay.

Now, who should we be thinking about voting for toDay? On reflection, I am starting to think that it doesn't really matter to us whether an innocent or a Wolf is lynched. If an innocent is lynched, then we can seal the game with the Wolves toMorrow (provided that they play along). But, if a Wolf is lynched, then it makes it even less likely that they will attack one of us toNight, as they will be more worried about our revenge kill. Indeed, on that basis, it might be even better for us if a Wolf is lynched.

I have work in the morning, so I will have to leave about 4 hours before the deadline - 3 hours at the very latest. But then again, for the reasons stated above, I am not too bothered about who is lynched.

The feeling is entirely mutual, I assure you.

Love etc

~SpLB~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: More Wolf spotting ...

But at this point in the game, who cares? Either we were on their side and they had it made, or they could lie the next day with, "Oh, oops, our bad. Roa really seemed evil. Oh, we're in so much trouble as a village! Oh no..."

Saw it coming a mile away. That's okay. As I said: I warned them early that the Lovers might not have their best interest at heart, that they weren't obligated by the rules to side with the village, and they blithely ignored the warning.

I wonder if the wolves would step up if we voted for one of them? Maybe not. It would depend on whether or not they think we're bluffing on the side of the village.

I have to go paint my grandma's living room in the morning. Well, I say 'have to' but I did volunteer to do it... I'd hate for her to try ripping down wall paper and climbing ladders on her own, and my aunts are all equally likely to injure themselves with renovation. So I'll be around until DL, but barely.

Originally Posted by SpM

More Wolf spotting ...

Yes, good point.

Indeed. I meant to make that very point to the Nogsulk, but it slipped my mind.

No, I don't think that they would. My main concern is that they may take it a as declaration of hostilities. Then again, as I said, a lynched Wolf may actually help us to sleep safer toNight.

I reckon Inzil's a Wolf, with that vote for sally.

Love etc

Originally Posted by SpM

Glad tidings

Sally's part-reveal and Inzil's reveal in response have benefitted us greatly, I think. I suspect that Inzil is the Ranger. If a Wolf, he had little reason to make a Ranger claim at that point. Assuming that he is, the Wolves have a better target than us toNight.

If, by any chance, sally is the Ranger then her likely lynching toDay will uncover Inzil as a Wolf and the pack is going to be very reluctant to risk triggering our revenge kill.

All good stuff. I like to think a played a little part in prompting Inzil's reveal.

I must go now, so I'll stick with my vote for Roa. Obviously, you should vote as you see fit, but the lynching of sally (which looks the most likely outcome now) would probably not be a bad thing for us, either way.

Good luck and I hope to see you again when the sun next rises.

Love etc

~Sauce~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Glad tidings

Well, they can't both be, so either way the wolves have someone nice to go after.

I agree. It's very fun to think such things.

If not, we'll probably be together again before the sun next sets.

[The Saucepan Man]

And finally ...

Originally Posted by Fea

Ha!

I knew it!

I KNEW Roa was evil!

I just couldn't prove it (because I was being lazy, and also because it didn't really matter who was who as long as we didn't die, so why waste time analyzing?).

But I feel quite vindicated in that she's all nice and wolfy.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Ha!

Yes, I was becoming increasingly convinced of her Wolfishness, although she did fool me for a while with that reaction to our reveal. Nogrod is the surprise to me. He looked evil at the start because he seemed different, more aggressive, than I remember. But he had looked pretty reasonable and genuine in the last few Days.

There is, I suppose, still a chance that Roa's a bluffing Innocent, although admittedly it's a pretty remote one as it would require the Wolves to play along.

Perhaps it's just paranoia on my part, but I am slightly concened that the Wolves might change their votes at the end of the Day and eliminate one of us. I don't know whether we get our revenge kill in those circumstances, but will check. But, just in case, will you be around at the end of the Day to switch to Roa, if necessary? I won't be, but have voted Roa anyway.

Love etc

~Sauce~

Originally Posted by Fea

Re: Ha!

I'll be around.

Originally Posted by SpM

Re: Ha!

I'm being very cautious here, but do you mind retracting your vote and then re-voting for Inzil? That way, the remaining Wolves should feel safe enough to switch to Inzil.

Btw, I think that Nerwen and Brinn are the remaining Wolves.

Love etc

So, have I earned my nickname now ...?

[Inziladun]

As it happens, I never protected SPM or Fea, a fact that gladdens my heart. If the wolves had wanted you two, I'd intended to let them have you.

[Morsul the Dark]

If we both vote for Morsul and he is lynched and turns out to be a Wolf, that would be good. He probably isn't, though. Merely a n00b.

That's a bit strong, I still thought SPAM was pushing the friendly wolf thing on purpose I mean it confused a lot of people. And Like I said after the game end the Real chance was 3 out of 68 so while my initial math was wrong... I corrected it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

That's a bit strong, I still thought SPAM was pushing the friendly wolf thing on purpose I mean it confused a lot of people. And Like I said after the game end the Real chance was 3 out of 68 so while my initial math was wrong... I corrected it.

I was referring to your n00b-ness in Werewolf terms. Werewolf newbies are often preyed upon by Wolves for the least little thing and I suspected that was what was happening here. In fact, it was the reason that I voted for you. It was an easy vote that didn't require too much explanation. I was suprised when it turned out that there was not one Wolf in your bandwaggon.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by SPAM

Perhaps it's just paranoia on my part, but I am slightly concened that the Wolves might change their votes at the end of the Day and eliminate one of us.

Originally Posted by SPAM

Btw, I think that Nerwen and Brinn are the remaining Wolves.

Just for the record, I spent the last Day trying to look like a wolf who was toying with the idea of double-crossing the Lovers. It was the only thing I could think of that had even a chance of working... not that it had much, but it was worth a try.