Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Lithor has apparently been possessed by the unborn spirit of American folk hero Davy Crockett.

Or then he just has drunk too much...

Post coming in a minute...

[Gwathagor]

Sorry, Nogrod, I should have warned you - but we just crossed and the circumstances have been complicated. You might need to edit your post a bit. Apologies.

[Gwathagor]

Alternatively, I could change Crabannan's reaction, since your post for Athanar works quite well following right after Lithor as it was intended to. I'm happy to delete my post and post again after yours, just let me know if that would be helpful.

EDIT: Oh ok. Splendid.

[Nogrod]

No, no...

I can just change the way my post begins... It's easier that way whjen looking at the larger perspective.

Even if it makes lord Athanar to react a bit late... but will it speak good or bad of him... who knows?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, people, that is just brilliant All three of you. Gah, I need to wake up, if I didn't, I could've posted too now... well, maybe later. It would be perhaps even better after Lithor's reaction.

[Nogrod]

Hey Gwath!

(we posted at the same minute!!!)

*sees the cross-post post*

No problem.

I can accumulate your reaction into my post so no need to change anything!

[Nogrod]

Changed... It should suit fine I think.

[Nogrod]

Hehe... I love you Mnemo!

They sometimes claim there are RPG's where there are no tensions!

And then there are those where there are some... and those with quite a lot... even some with a host of tensions... and well, some even with more than that... and then there is Scarburg Mead Hall!

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Hehe... I love you Mnemo!

Does this mean you'll go to bed now and get a healthy amount of sleep in you, just because I'm asking nicely?

There's nothing like a healthy dose of racism to keep the pot stirring... after all, the kitchens seemed pretty quiet last time I checked. Why should we have all the fun to ourselves? :evil:

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Does this mean you'll go to bed now and get a healthy amount of sleep in you, just because I'm asking nicely?

Maybe...well definitively... and it's only about 3AM (and I have classes only at 12...)

Thornden might break up the suspense, or Coen, or anyone of the previous Mead Hall just taking initiative and pulling Lithor (and Crabannan) out from the spotlight.

I'm going to sleep now and leave it to you.

And any others might post for their reactions anyway even if not willing to break the deadlock...

[Gwathagor]

Well, this IS fun. I haven't enjoyed myself this much in RPG-land since I got to write the part of the vampire in the Treachery of Men. All those murders...

[Folwren]

I had a thought. Since Lilige had worked with Javan while unpacking the wagons, would she know his name and be able to tell Wynflaed, even though Aedre didn't know?

time for dinner.

-- Foley

[Loslote]

She does, and can tell Wynflaed as soon as she gets back from the banquet. Lilige will be with Aedre...unless Aedre gave her the slip and went to the stables, but I think Nienna had decided against it? Either way, she'll probably be in her Lady's chamber. It would be natural for Wynflaed to ask if she'd seen who it was, and Lilige can and will tell her.

[Groin Redbeard]

Okay, I've deleted my post until Nogrod and I can get a PM post up together.

Also, as a side note, I would like to add that Lithor's boast was not unusual for the Anglo Saxons to make. It is a tradition that each warrior must do when introducing himself (as seen in Beowulf). Secondly, Lithor's spear throwing in the great hall was also not unusual. My inspiration for it was from Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, where something much more gruesome happened there. A game, song, story, or challenge was not unusual at Medieval banquets. Lithor is doing nothing out of the ordinary there.

[Folwren]

I don't really think it was the challenge itself that Athanar is angry with. It is the form of the challenge. The beginning of my post with Thornden kind of expresses, I think, what many people might be thinking - how the humor would have been right for Eodwine's time, but not now with this new lord and questions of authority still being bandied about.

Looking forward to your guys' post. Your last one was really good and I would've repped it, but they said I couldn't. Anyway, I'm sure this one will be great, too.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I don't really think it was the challenge itself that Athanar is angry with. It is the form of the challenge. The beginning of my post with Thornden kind of expresses, I think, what many people might be thinking - how the humor would have been right for Eodwine's time, but not now with this new lord and questions of authority still being bandied about.

You're quite right Foley with the "temporary-rule" -issue that it's mainly the way it was said, quite mockingly from Athanar's POV. But calling Athanar and his household "guests", by a soldier, and in public, is actually also something more substantial Athanar can't just tolerate.

Like he has shown the King's decree giving him the eorlship for everyone to see and then hearing someone calling him a guest five minutes later... thus basically publicly denying his authority. No leader would tolerate that, but someone else might have acted less heatedly.

But as you say Foley, there are so many issues of insecurity and threat around him that he overreacts. If and when we get this thing straightened out during some time and more posting, you'll see lord Athanar has nothing against a merry party... Although I don't think him to be a "party-animal" -type of person himself.

[Folwren]

Yeah, I figured. It was even the 'temporary lord' thing that caught me off guard and not exactly the 'guests' part.

This incident will make it even harder for the new people to settle in and the old people to accept them. I've been kind of thinking about what Javan is doing and thinking all this time. I don't know what he'd be thinking. Sometimes my characters manage to confuse me.

And I may post some post for Saeryn and her thoughts, just so I can fill some time and space before you two get your post up, so it doesn't seem like the game is stalling.

-- Foley

[Gwathagor]

Hey, um, Nogrod - you keep saying "quests." Do you mean "guests?" Just curious.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Hey, um, Nogrod - you keep saying "quests." Do you mean "guests?" Just curious.

I actually do, mean "guests" that is... That's an age old letter-blindness with me...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

And I may post some post for Saeryn and her thoughts, just so I can fill some time and space before you two get your post up, so it doesn't seem like the game is stalling.

That's a good idea.

We're actually writing the post (we've had two rounds) but I'm not sure when Groin is going to be back - and especially while he has deleted his earlier post there could be a specially good spot to post something in the next hours... (I mean those reactions can of course come also after the dialogue between Ath & Lith but they would be even better posted before.)

[Groin Redbeard]

Our post is up. Thanks Nogrod!

[Thinlómien]

I will continue for the two rascals later (this weekend) and get them more involved with stuff. That's there as a sort of reminder that they exist.

As for what I posted for Modtryth, if someone wants to hear Modtryth's remark and continue, feel free to. If not, I will continue from there myself (I can very well do that).

[Folwren]

Wow, Lommy, in one post you managed to make me have two different reactions while thinking about two different characters. Worry for Javan and righteous indignation in defense of Saeryn. I just about screamed when I read their comments about her. Good job!

Nogrod and Groin, great post! Poor Lithor! Poor man, having insulted him at the last. Oh wow. Yippee! Posts can get back online. I am SO excited!

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

You love my new characters, Foley, don't you?

[Groin Redbeard]

I got a post up in defense of Lithor. It is obviously bias, but I could not stand to watch everyone tare him up without some type of defense. I'll have to think hard on how to change Lithor's attitude back around, I don't want him to be a depressed angry character (that is what Erbrand is for). I'll have Lithor lay low for a while, stay in the shadows and pop out every now and then when needed.

Durelin, Lommy, nice posts. I like Coen a lot and I hope that we hear more from him in the future and I want to see those twins interact more with original Scarburg characters.

Nogrod, are you going to post for the grumpy old man character soon? I want to see how he fits in with his new surroundings.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

You love my new characters, Foley, don't you?

Love is hardly the word I would use to describe my feelings for them.

Groin, I don't think that Lithor need become a depressed, angry sort of character. His actions, words, and behavior thus far in the game seem to make him out to be the sort of man that eventually, he would let his ill feeling go. If he indeed knows he's not guilty, then he'll be more likely not to be depressed. As for the angry...well, I can see him being angry as long as Athanar and others continue thinking he was guilty and he feels he wasn't. That will make him think he's being unjustly judged and condemned. But if he's a responsible fellow, he'll do his best to get rid of the anger and carry on with life, allowing them to be wrong in their impressions of him.

Don't hide Lithor. Take the opportunity to build his character.

-- Folwren

[Eorl of Rohan]

Eeeeh.... Do I have to read all 18 pages of post in order to join the Meadhall, Lommy?

[Folwren]

Holy smokes, I leave for half a day and when I get back, I find the discussion thread in such an uproar that I hardly have enough courage to go read the game thread!!!!!!!!

Courage found, off I go!

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Oh my goodness. Oh. My. Goodness.

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Gotta go finish reading. Still have two more posts by Gwathagor to read.

[Folwren]

You do realize, Nogrod (and everyone, for that matter), that all this was in jest? To my eye, Groin writing for Lithor meant Lithor to mean no harm, or at least little harm. But the way that other writer's appeared to take it and have their characters take it goes to show that even a jest may be taken terribly, terribly wrong.

That being said, the game has progressed. The joke has not been taken well, tempers are rising, and it appears that Lithor is in very deep trouble quite on accident.

I will try to post for Thornden tonight. I kind of wish we could have Groin post next, but now that Crabannan has interrupted, I think it would be appropriate for Thornden to try to say something.

Harping back on what you said earlier Nogrod:

After his own 12-year old daughter was beaten by the local "mob", lord Athanar is not in a mood to be easy or understanding with the locals any more if there is such a foolery... From his POV he was already too soft in letting the fate of his daughter to go unpunished - and he did that to show he can give in so that the locals would also give in, in turn.

Was he really going to let it go? I had thought he just didn't do or say anything yet because the banquet had to happen. Well, well. Javan turns lucky once more...unless Athanar changes his mind.

-- Foley

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I would recommend that even if Athanar lets Javan go, so to speak, that one of the original Mead Hallers devises a suitable punishment. Perhaps specifically Saeryn.

[Mnemosyne]

From my end, I know what Groin meant as Lithor... but I'm not Wynflaed, and her perception has been colored by what her husband just said. But taking things out of context and overreacting is fun.

As far as I can tell we're not looking into the matter of punishing Javan (we still don't even know who did it, yet) until after the banquet is over and we can make some discreet inquiries. And even then Wynflaed is going to want to hear the other side of the story, both because that's good policy and because she knows that these sorts of things don't happen without provocation.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh good heavens... I just wrote a post in which Degas... feels... sorry - gasp - for Athanar.

You know, I really didn't see that coming, but then I realized that the two characters are really foils for each other. Both are lords walking into a horrible mess that requires shows of power/diplomacy/etc and constant attention in order to regain stability, but Degas did it by showing his people that he is one of them, whereas Athanar seems hellbent on proving that he is their superior.

Degas's theory is that his people are already perfectly well aware of his title. The question is getting them to listen because they want to, not because they must.

So while he's massively irritated that Athanar doesn't seem to understand/care about tact, he's also totally on the guy's side when it comes to dealing swiftly with soldiers/commoners who appear to disrespect authority.

Hence him watching Lithor and Crabannan with what amounts to a bit of disinterest whilst others react with shock.

I'm actually quite certain Degas would like Athanar a lot if they could just work out Saeryn's future in an acceptable manner.

Ahem.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I would recommend that even if Athanar lets Javan go, so to speak, that one of the original Mead Hallers devises a suitable punishment. Perhaps specifically Saeryn.

What would be a suitable punishment? I don't really know. My younger brother has never hit a girl before, and Javan's been mostly fashioned after him in a lot of cases.

Mnemosyne (I almost caleld you Wynflaed), I'm glad she wants to hear the other side of the story. Aedre really didn't do a good job of telling a very unbiased tale.

I posted for Thornden. Let's hope he succeeds in his plans to cool tempers and avert instantaneous death....I mean, arrest. Up until this moment, I don't think I quite realized that Thornden was a pacifier. Hm.

-- Foley

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Folwren

What would be a suitable punishment? I don't really know. My younger brother has never hit a girl before, and Javan's been mostly fashioned after him in a lot of cases.

Hm... I'm trying to remember what happened the one time my brother hit me. *strains memory* I told my mom. Who told my dad. And then... I think I didn't have the guts to stick around and view his punishment. Which explains why I don't remember what happened.

I'm not thinking corporal punishment. I'm thinking more like... he can work off his offense. Perhaps this could be something that Wynflaed and Saeryn come together to work out? I was thinking perhaps Javan might be made to do tasks for Wynflaed's maid or something for a while. Sort of an assistant. So that through it he comes to know the ladies of the household?

Or not. Random thoughts, and I'm tired and don't feel good, so my random thoughts might actually be terrible, and I wouldn't even know it.