Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Glirdan]

Okay, I am back and with a list of suspects and such.

Trust

Nog - For reasons I have stated many times earlier.
Pitch - Has made a lot of contributions with many good thoughts and ideas, definitely someone worth keeping around
Wilwa - Even though we always suspect each other, something about her just seems right and innocent.
Fea - What's not to trust? She came on late in the Day on Day 1 but did so with a bang with many good thoughts and ideas of her own.

Feel Inclined To Trust
Lottie - Has had many good posts of substance. The only thing that makes me a little leery is her Day 1 posting, but I am more than willing to let that slide as hers was a post telling everyone to shut it.
Nerwen - Also posted pre-Day, yet has made some great contributions to the game and I would hate to see her go just now.
Zil - Always has substance in his posts and brings up some rather interesting points himself.

Unsure
Brinn - She has been rather quiet thus far toDay and would like to hear more from her.
Izzy - I've only played in one game with her before and she was a Wolf then. Her playing style is similar to that of the last game, yet I do not want to make any judgements based on meta-reasoning.
Eönwë - Has been hiding in the shadows a lot and was also one of the pre-Day posters. But he has had posts that were well reasoned with good points of his own.
Rune - Has been far too quiet for my liking and not much to go on. Almost tempted to put him under the suspect category, yet would like to hear more before making any final decisions.

Suspect
Form - Pre-Day poster, vote of confience from Mira and just an unsettling feeling about him.

So as it stands, my four votes will probably go to Nog, Wilwa, Fea and Pitch, but this could all change by the time DL rolls around.

X'd With Noggy

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Read on, I think we're getting there.

You're quite right! Good to see there are finally some suspicions flying... Then let's be careful we do not leave the suspecters without confidence-votes and let some people fly under the radar being just agreeable and nice to everyone, telling everyone how smart, beautiful and lovable they are.

Is that why you suspected Eönwë and me for rubbing you the wrong way?

Heh, touché! But it also actually confirms my point.

[the phantom]

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.

If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But phantom, darling, I like pressure. The full weight of a situation, pressing, bearing down on me...

Why cast votes now when I can masochistically enjoy the intensity?

[the phantom]

I clearly wasn't talking to you, Fea. I would make some criticisms of you (about how you're the last person who oughta be trusted to make good rational decisions in crunch time and such) but I know that you're just as arrogant as your father and criticism simply bounces off of you.

[Nogrod]

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,

- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.
- His votes of confidence were clearly to those others who posted prematurely, and if he's innocent - and as he is the D1-hater I know - it would sound pretty straightforward from him. In general I could see some "goodwill" forming in an innocent towards others who have screwed up like himself...

I'm not saying he should not be suspected and I'd like to hear what he says toDay, but let's ponder these factors as well.

What I find a bit disconcerting is that more or less everyone seems to be assuming that Fea and wilwa are innocent by default. Well I tend to think them more innocent than not, but not by default or think it somehow self-evident.

Did Fea actually ever elaborate why she gave her two Simon-votes as pluses to wilwa?


EDIT: X'd with Fea...

[Nogrod]

I find this a bit odd...

Originally Posted by Izzy

Sad that the Hunter is gone so quickly, but niice that she took a wolf with her. xD

Yeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

PS. As you see, I'm skimming the thread and coming forwards making any points as I go unless I get a better idea...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I find this a bit odd...
Yeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

It might be. . . wolves has previously been caught by small random things like this, but it is also very easy to over-react.

To be honest, I don't read it the same way, but I like that stuff as this is brought up.

(Don't have much internet time. . .is looking through the thread)

[Nogrod]

Some points from the read-in...


This new game-mechanic is proving to be really challenging. To be truthful, I have to say I’m a bit uneasy with all this open support I seem to have (well, seemed to have anyway earlier on the Day). It easily makes me ponder whether there is some buttering-up going on. But on the other hand one wouldn’t like to get all those who trust you to get annoyed with you by suspecting their trust in a game where you need confidence-votes to stay alive.

Lottie had some good points on Eönwë and I’m not to sure his answers were that confidence-arousing. Especially what he said on Nienna.

I do appreciate Nerwen’s level-headedness.

I’d be one of those who’d not automatically count on the wolves to vote in a certain pattern. But giving my two cents on it anyhow.

I think it’s clear an early voter-wolf could easily vote one of her/his fellows without looking too bad but still making possibly a crucial vote saving the mate’s neck (and I’m talking about these first Days here – later it might be different), but if it felt to that wolf there was support enough s/he could easily let the mates without a vote as well. In the end there sure is some pressure even with this game dynamics if it looks like a mate is in danger of being lynched. Izzy’s fast rise in the tallies in the end of the Day1 does actually raise my eyebrows. I need to check closer as to what actually happened as soon as I get through the remaining thread.

[Pitchwife]

Nice find about Izzy, Nog. Sounds a little off to me, too. And now you mention it, Glirdan said something similar in #208:

It is sad that Nienna was killed during the Night for she definitely could have proved to have been of some great help to us, but at least she didn't die in vain!

OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?

EDIT: x-ed w/ Nog and Zil; also added bolding.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?

Good spotting a well! And I agree with your reservations as well. Later in the game a revealed hunter is one whom the wolves will not dare to touch - and Nienna was one of the most reasonable players yesterDay. Like Zil said, these both cases I think belong to the category "if there is something else to suspect X for, this might be a brick to add to the wall".

At the moment, I feel a bit uneasy with Glirdan already saying he trusts me, a bit too much - and about Izzy getting saved late on D1 (I'll go to check that latter like now).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really don't think that Form is a wolf and I would actually like to see him as simon. . .

I simply don't belive that he would deliberatly post too early, of course there is a chance that two wolves posted too early by mistake. . .but I have seen nothing to indicate that Form is a wolf.

I do realise that Mira defended him, but would the wolves dare to establish such obvious links this early in the game?
I would never dare, but I was never known for bravery.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

Can we just lynch you?

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

My muse currently is otherwise occupied. Should inspiration strike, you'll know.

Originally Posted by the phantom

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

I'm not the 'snuggly' sort, so no worries there.

Originally Posted by the phantom

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

Cats being assuredly not evil, they do not mesh with wolves.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,
- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.
- His votes of confidence were clearly to those others who posted prematurely, and if he's innocent - and as he is the D1-hater I know - it would sound pretty straightforward from him. In general I could see some "goodwill" forming in an innocent towards others who have screwed up like himself...

I'm not saying he should not be suspected and I'd like to hear what he says toDay, but let's ponder these factors as well.

I had a hard time seeing him doing something like that too. It's not the early posting by itself so much as it is the totality of circumstances. The fact that he and Mira voted for one another as well is what makes me uneasy about him.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What I find a bit disconcerting is that more or less everyone seems to be assuming that Fea and wilwa are innocent by default. Well I tend to think them more innocent than not, but not by default or think it somehow self-evident.

I don't see anything particularly evil-looking about either of them, but they're not in the clear, to be sure.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

I can see what you mean, and it is a somewhat odd way to phrase it, but that by itself wouldn't be enough to make me think Izzy a wolf. Just something to file away in case other things about her come to the forefront.

x/d with Nog

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Did Fea actually ever elaborate why she gave her two Simon-votes as pluses to wilwa?

She seemed the snuggliest at the time.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

She seemed the snuggliest at the time.

Oh but that explains it. Why didn't you tell us that in the beginning so I shouldn't have needed to make the effort of asking?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oh but that explains it. Why didn't you tell us that in the beginning so I shouldn't have needed to make the effort of asking?

Why did you think I'd have a more convolutedly complex answer in place for you after a Day One?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

Almost makes me wish I hadn't.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

Kill me then, if you can. Can't rhyme under pressure if my life depends on it. Especially not when my life depends on it.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

*snuggle snuggle snuggle*

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

Tevildo. 'Nuff said.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.
If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

And who are you, anyway?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.

If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

In order.

Concur.

Concur.

I like snuggling. Stop harrassing them about the snuggling or I'll slap you again. *snuggles all her minions*

Concur. Further mentions of cats may be met with modfire.

I've not read the thread too well so I shall comment not on this.

He does have a point (though likely not this late in the Day).



Where's my sweet Alona?