WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Morsul the Dark]

Doing through noticed this

Skip:
That doesn't seem like a thing that would prevent someone from checking up on the thread, him being in his own flat and all.

(Reffering to my kitchen painting)

Skip if you only knew how easily distracted I am that kitchen would never be finished if I checked up on the downs

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Other than that have 3 minutes till I leave for work won't get much done today I'll be on for an hour later at which point I'll have to vote.

Dislikes people using their retractables so early, finds the votes "meaningless". Huh?

Originally Posted by Morsul

Legate I love you for actually getting my point even if you disagree

Have to read more in depth though have to vote shortly.

And why am I always classified with "Knee-Jerk" reactions? I see something I form a hypothesis everyone calls it "knee-jerk" I call it Scientific method

Taughtus Taught us that!

ok reading

One of many "why me" posts. No real content.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Had this argument last time maybe I should do this "so and so "FEELS" off" somehow acceptable me seeing something I find odd and pointing it out that's weird?

Anywho... No one pops out want to vote agan... but won't because That Would be knee jerk... I do have to vote soon though

(Responding to post 80 forgot to quote it.)
__________________

Wants support for voting Agan. More TIP syndrome (taking it personal).

Originally Posted by Morsul

First post vote followed by "Day one who cares?" then a bit of the Tweedles poem.

++WintyWinty

Throws away his vote on Winty the newbie.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

Intends to keep his retraction.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that

No content. I will point out, Morsul, that your last vote did that because you voted not two hours after the day started. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Agan changed Avatars mid-game Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

Jokingly suspects Agan. Not-so-jokingly looked for support for her lynch earlier, though.

#223 - no content - not quoting.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Boro voted Glirdan then changed to Fea.(An example of a well used retraction by the way)

Methinks either Glirdan is suspiciou or the wolves picked the person who pushed their cobbler friend over the edge.or they considered it the least traceable.

Suggests reasoning for Boro-kill.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Maybe Lottie is the other Sherriff? Boro switched votes to save her?

Nothing suspicious here.

Originally Posted by Morsul

I'm Fairly certain I won't be on before DL today so I always suspect Sally however Lotties Post was nicely confirming

++Sally

If I can I MAY have to use my retraction today if I'm back in time.

However Sally is quite smart whether or not I agree with her. I don't think she'd read my sarcasm as anything but, also she says she wanted to try and get me lynched but "no one would go for that" She admits trying to start a Bandwagon.

Have fun I'll Try to be on later.

Opportunistic vote with suspicious reasons. Don't like it.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Popping in for one post while waiting for my fiance to return.

I voted because I thought it'd be the only time I could. Second... well there is no second.

No content.

#356 has no content either.

Originally Posted by Morsul

you did insult me you called me a lemming sorry the tone in my post was off as well. I knoew what you meant I had nothing to add but that

And for the record every time I try to defend myself everyone says "WOAH Over the top response must be a Wolf"

Though I'm not changing my vote I like the tone of Sally's defenses(I just don't believe them)

Sally I got your back... sort of

Which in itself seems overdefensive. Also, very weak, but could that last bit be a wolf-Morsul apologizing for bussing a teammate?

#381 has no content.

Originally Posted by Morsul

This Post has been buzzing through my head All Day...

If Glirdan's innocent and we lynched him we'd just lynch Sally today... So what pay off would there be to lie? To last One more day?

I think Glirdan's a wolf... Sally I think was planning a False Seer reveal, just look at this post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by satansaloser2005 View Post
Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.
The move only makes sense to gain our trust... Gaining one day isn't worth it. I mean 4 out of 16.... 3 out of 16 still gives us lots of time still I just don't see a one day gain worth it.

I sort of agree here, about Sally and the possible false-Seer-reveal, but he fails to mention it would also out the real Seer if it only gave one more day to a Sallywolf. Also, suspects Glirdan early on a bit here.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Yeah but Inzil I think a false seer reveal would gain her more time than the one day gained from the lynch.

I don't understand the motivation otherwise.

This post makes me think I might have misinterpreted the previous post. Morsul, care to clarify?

[quote=I know this will be an unpopular move however I'm going with my gut on this one.

++Glirdan

It got me one wolf so maybe It'll get me another.[/quote]

This vote looks more opportunistic than the Sally-vote. Also it's another early vote.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Only here for a minute I voted Early because I keep colliding badly with the times of the game I'm usually free all night phase and have maybe an hour or so during the day normally at the beginning.

"It" means going with my gut. Also like to point out I still have me retractable. If I didn't I might not have voted at all This way If I see something I can change... Hasn't happened yet. I'm 95% sure of this vote. I really Really Can figure out any other way Sally's vote and cry to Nienna makes sense.

Lastly I'm rushing this post... To the person who said they'd eat their hat if Nienna and I were Pack mates Don't worry your Hat shall remain in tact.

See you all tomorrow(Maybe)

RL reasons for voting early. Not much suspicious here, I think.

#559 is expressing sadness over Greenie's death.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Moving away from Greenie for the moment...


I was shocked by the pick if I do say so myself not to toot my own horn I was sure I was going to be the victem to days in a row with the right vote... That NEVER happens for me(I'm excited) keep it alive folks!

I'm looking into Agan this is going to be a looong loong post coming up... sorry

Generally if you're starting a phrase with "not to toot my own horn, but..." it's probably a good idea not to use said phrase. Anyway. Starts "looking at" Agan again.

Originally Posted by Morsul

I don't suspect her that's the point I was fully prepared to vote Greenie today.

I need to look at people I don't suspect. Agan sprang to mind.

"her" refers to Greenie. I'm confused - so you were fully prepared to vote Greenie even though you didn't suspect her? Also, what's this about not suspecting Agan? *looks up*

Originally Posted by #568

keep alive folks is "wolfy"? really three days cobbler wolf wolf youd Don't want to keep that trend alive?

Defends himself and his comment.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Why'd I say it? because I'm psyched this is the furthest I've ever made it on the winning side in WW I said it more for myself...

Defends the same comment.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Agan 37

Wow that's a long post.

Defends Winty from Nerwen... calls Nerwen suspicious for asking a reasonable question. Talks about wolf strategies.

Agan 55 Seriously... Take the keyboard away from Agan!

Another long post. boils down to a lot of not much. I still think he want's everyone to get rid of their votes... I t just seems bad what if we Need them later? no one has "Extra" votes this time retractables are an excellent tool, for us and yes sadly for the wolves but with only two wolves left it's even better for us to have them.

Agan 62

List. Most Likely to vote me.... These three show an odd trend however Each One mentions a slip-up maybe She keeps saying something like "Wow I'm glad no one thought I was a wolf for that." As if relieved no one picked up on her mess up.... but only three posts not enough to worry about yet.

By the way While I'm writing this I have another tab going checking on whats going on real time. Shasta thinks Agan was dreamed... Well She May have been but how would we Know that? I think someone's trying to get me to look somewhere else as is Lottie. Now all three can't be evil but One may be

Agan 80

Agan keeps talking about Cobbler appearing "innocent" to seers... I've never known this rule/idea. Seems to want us to not entirely trust our seer granted this point after Fea's lynching is moot it is still strange to advocate. Oh and real quick I'd like to point out 2 wolf votes maybe my logic Does work sometimes!

Agan 88

Mostly response to me. First off thanks for calling me Lazy, That was pretty cool of you. Second I take these games too seriously if I'm "Half Hearted it's because This time around I'm trying to have fun, which I am. Lastly uses retractable taking own advice good move.

110

Quote:
Imagine some innocents, a couple of wolves. The innocents have used (most of) their retractions, the wolves haven't. The wolves can vote for whomever is the most convenient for them and then, when most other votes have been given, unite and direct their votes towards an innocent who is lynched, and nobody else can do anything. Because I can see that scenario, I'd rather eliminate it before the wolves have even a chance to try it.
That's why you keep it and not use it. Though it seems Sally used hers as well maybe have their pack-mates keep theirs while trying to get the rest of us to use ours?

247 At this point she's using a lot of 'Yeah I'm a wolf ha ha' lines in some of her posts too many for my comfort as Sally said wolves can hide behind these jokes and she's bee using them a lot.

I'd like to point out Lottie has Agan Greeni Glirdan and Sally as the wolves Ok Greenie is wrong but the other two are right... So agan this is a very very Small point against you tiny (It won't be a vote maker don't worry.)

249 rebukes Lottie... good show...

At this point Agan is on the fence for me. I won't vote her unless I see something amazing in the rest of her posts.

252
Suspects Inzil for listening to him... Another Argument I've had. Why do we bother listing reasons unless we expect to persuade anyone? Why am I doing this post? Sure I could look through say "Hey agan's cleared/guilty(let you know when I'm done)" Then everyone would say "where's your reasoning?" I read other peoples' analyses and like their reasons so I I take that was a reason to vote. I'm sorry about the way I do things.

This isn't only Agan's view but I find it all too common.

281

I really don't like the way Agan's going after people who haven't used their retractions seems to be an easy way to pick off people and have her dream scenario of only wolves having theirs left.

285

Line she does something she condemns others for she take's nienna's word and changes suspicion. I'm Opportunistic Lazy a Horrible Person should be lynched right now and so what I voted for two wolves so what obviously I some horrible person.... (Sorry, Serenity NOW)

489

Last Paragraph agains says she put Sally as supicious based only on what others said isn't that terrible thing to do Agan... "Do as I say not as I do?"

511
1 Am I'm really sleepy... Look I Can't find anything outside of some name calling I feel unfairly towards me I can't find anything Agan is cleared in my mind....


Nerwen Tomorrow... or later today whatever time it is...She's always under my radar.

Agan is cleared in your eyes? Are you sure we're looking at the same post?

Originally Posted by Morsul

Lottie
Quote:
1. And you said Agan was rude!
Should have added a smilie I meant it jokingly I didn't call her lazy. However point taken I apologize.

Again I keep saying it because I'm excited I never list reasons why I voted the way I did? I did list them. I found Sally suspicious and after reading I believe your analysis it seemed confirmed. I voted Glirdan because of Sally's post it made NO sense any other way for me. and Winty voted because of a first post vote followed by "Day 1 who cares"

Defends the same comment a third time. Also, I don't think you can classify yourself as a newbie anymore, Morsul.

#591 has no content.

#592 also has no content.

Originally Posted by Morsul

It doesn't say sees "Innocent or Wolf" it says "Their ROLE" Why wouldn't we trust a seers dream Agan... Sorry I'm back on that because I just went through the rules it was bugging me.

and Lottie I feel a challenge there... a wolf saying "I'm beyond suspicion come get me. Of course with no counter reveal I suppose I'll have to trust you.

Lastly I voted first for both wolves... If I knew they would get the most votes for the day I'd be A) psychic and B) insane for offering them up for slaughter.

Still looking at Nerwen.

Tries throwing suspicion onto Lottie?! Also, the defense in this post makes entirely no sense.

#595 gets a big "huh"? from me.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Painting my kitchen today so no time.

++Shasta

Quote:
Quote:
ME: So Feas was a cobbler yay us.
Shasta: Something that bothers me is that Lottie has been pouncing on her four suspects for "acting too innocent", but misses this completely. Lottie, I realize you're a known innocent, but really? Just because you think you've spotted all four wolves in the first day doesn't mean you stop looking at anyone else and focus solely on those four. For example, several of the points in your "Sal-alysis" are pretty clearly grasping at straws.
grasping at straws this isn't?

Quote:
Like I said... day 2 easy lynch. With Morsul being opportunistic and Winty being bandwaggonish (going to get reasons for your votes from your packmates tonight, winty?), it's kind of hard to choose, but...
++Morsul
Gave my reasons.

473 and 474 backpeddles pretty quick

534 votes greenie...

Have fun! I need a WW break so I probably won't be back before DL(Sometimes you have to put the computer down.)

No, it's not "grasping at straws". *irritated*

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Conclusion - I think Morsul looks furry.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wintywinty – not guilty... voted day 1 but haven't seen anything beond that

Mira – Last of the Tea Party possibly guilty

Agan – Innocent

Shasta – Probably guilty

Lottie – innocent

Nerwen – The devil wears prada

Legate – no idea

Morsul – Innocent...Ordo... and backup lynch if need be

Skip – Innocent

Lommy – Hopefully innocent

Brinniel – no idea

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok obviously my grammar needs a bit of work... I wasn't comparing myself to Winty I was stating my reason for voting him... Lottie said I gave no reasons so I threw out the reasons I voted my votes.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here's a move for you Shasta and Lottie... and Skip... and it'll prove Lommy right... and since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway. You guys need to look at other people for the wolves I'm distracting you I'm cluttering your heads.

I need to get out of the way for the good of the village

++Morsul

I'm serious vote for me so you can get to the real wolf.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Here's a move for you Shasta and Lottie... and Skip... and it'll prove Lommy right... and since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway. You guys need to look at other people for the wolves I'm distracting you I'm cluttering your heads.

I need to get out of the way for the good of the village

++Morsul

I'm serious vote for me so you can get to the real wolf.

This is the stupidest move ever and does absolutely nothing to allay the suspicions I voiced the other day. However, Form is currently distracting me and I should have been in bed hours ago, so more about that later.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, Lottie, you've listed Skip in two different categories.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Really he could go in either category for me, so I put him in both intending to put him in one or the other in the end, but forgot. Although to be honest, that really does best illistrate how I think of him, so meh.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Wintywinty – not guilty... voted day 1 but haven't seen anything beond that

Mira – Last of the Tea Party possibly guilty

Agan – Innocent

Shasta – Probably guilty

Lottie – innocent

Nerwen – The devil wears prada

Legate – no idea

Morsul – Innocent...Ordo... and backup lynch if need be

Skip – Innocent

Lommy – Hopefully innocent

Brinniel – no idea

What the hey is this?? IC banter on Day 5? The devil wears prada? What does that even mean? How does this help anything? It doesn't even make sense!

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

I have no idea whatsoever what he was thinking when he voted for himself, but it could easily be innocent. *grumbles*

EDIT: xed since Morsul's vote.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

First off, no I never said you were against lynching him. I said you seemed hesitant about a Glirdan lynch...not the same as being totally against. If you were completely for lynching Glirdan all along, then I really didn't get that impression.

I wasn't "completely" for lynching Glirdan from the start of the Day, no. What did you expect? I'm not the Seer, I hadn't dreamed him and I was trying to look at both sides of the case. You quoted part of an early post of mine, ignoring everything I said before and after. Then you used that to claim I was overall "wishy-wishy" about suspecting him. As I said, I really do think that's quite a distortion.

That said, however, I haven't yet seen any other reason to suspect you.

Originally Posted by Loslote

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

You know, my gut feeling currently is that you're right– but he's certainly not doing himself any favours, the way he's acting.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Loslote

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

I didn't take that to be her actual reason. Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

Yeah, it is, but normal reasoning just doesn't apply to him, as he follows no rules of common sense. So, you have to think "what would an illogical Morwolf do with packmate Sally?" And the answer is, go mad, probly.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Confusion sets in...

Lottie, I think Shasta thinks you're saying they wouldn't have chosen to be wolves together, therefore probably aren't. Which would be silly, of course.

[Morsul the Dark]

seems to me Shasta and Skip are the two most suspicious at this point...

[Aganzir]

I'm disappointed Inzy died because when Nog was revealed as a wolf, I came to the conclusion that it was very unlikely they were wolves together (the way Nog attacked Inzil because of his phrasing and the way Inzil reacted)... But ah well maybe it's better this way.

Today I want to have a look at Nerwen.

What we have left is a wolf, the ranger, a sheriff, the unicorn - and 7 ordos, one of whom the cursed.

Originally Posted by Shasta

It was pretty clear her prime suspect was Inzil, but I wonder if looking at who else she suspected will tell us anything.

It should be done whether it will tell us something or not... But I'm afraid she was killed because of what you said; probably everybody considered her innocent. And the last wolf might have thought her death might help frame Inzil.

And Lottie is still alive. In addition to Boro (obviously enough special) and Greenie (for her Nog suspicion), the wolves have killed Izzy and Nienna, neither of whom anybody suspected... One possibility is that the wolves are really desperate to find the cursed and don't care much about whom they kill (either they get a gifted or a potential cursed), so they simply start with the ones that are suspected the least.

I don't think Morsul is the last wolf. Yes there are points against him, but actually I think he looks pretty innocentish. And his self-vote... Of course it might be a bluff, but I have a hard time seeing a wolf do that, unless he has already given up without a fight.

Originally Posted by Morsul

since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway.

I wouldn't have thought so. I think she was killed mostly for looking so innocent, not because of her suspicions.

Originally Posted by Brinn

If I'm correct, there is one wolf left among nine players with unknown roles.

Among ten players with unknown roles, actually (although for each of the innocents, it's technically nine players).

Originally Posted by Lottie on Morsul

If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this.

While I agree Morsul probably isn't a wolf, I wouldn't use that as an explanation... After all we chose our roles ourselves. Oh yes Shasta said the same.

**

As for yesterday...

I think Lommy looks very innocent - unless the wolves planned that they would go after one another whenever there was a reason to, and the one who survived should ensure their victory. And if Lommy is part of such conspiracy, she will have to do the dishes for a month.

Originally Posted by Nog

And where's your effort Agan? Oh, the moral highground is such a slippery thing... Why don't you try and go find the wolves? Are you so happy with the presumed outcome that you can just lay back and enjoy?

I suppose this warrants an answer... My effort went to sleep with my brain. I've had a very busy week with little time to post, and I'd have to adopt a totally new playing style to be as productive as I'd like to be. I should have more time today (at least if I don't attend a lecture about the portrayal of LGBT in movies) though.
And yes, yesterday I was feeling pretty positive about the outcome of the lynch.

Originally Posted by skip

This is clearly written from the perspective of a wolf, without stating that it is a hypothetical situation. If I were a wolf I'd be crazy for offering them up for a slaughter would be a fair argument. Maybe it was just an honest mistake, or perhaps a fatal slip of the tongue?

I noticed that too but I'm more inclined to think it was an honest mistake. Morsul seems like the kind of person who doesn't pay so much attention to what he says than most of us.

Originally Posted by Legate

That's so random that I am actually beginning to consider whether what Aganzir said about Nogrod possibly slipping his Wolf thoughts might not be true after all.

What do you mean? I don't get your comment.

Legate has been acting quite innocent thus far but I'm starting to get worried about him. Mainly because of the way he's been wavering about lynching the wolves... But then again there's sally's vote for him (albeit a throw-away).
Really, he seems way too undecided to my liking and it's not like the Legate I remember.

Originally Posted by skip

How do you behead a big grin anyway? Let's ask the The Queen Of Hearts shall we?

We crush his teeth one by one.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I just can't see a wolf grouping two packmates as suspicious.

Says who?

Originally Posted by Lottie

I think there's something funny going on between him and Lommy, but I'm not sure what yet.

Most likely it was just Nogwolf trying to frame innocent Lommy and get us to have second thoughts about her.

Trust:
Lottie
Lommy
Shasta. Nog's attack on him yesterday might be wolf-on-wolf but I don't know if even he would draw attention to a fellow like that. And Shasta has been reasonable and innocentish anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What do you mean? I don't get your comment.

I think the reference is to this:

#618.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Would Mr. Cat like to explain to me why the wolves would not want to kill a known innocent?
Or did you just betray something of your night talk? Are the wolves only desperate to find the cursed now?

Legate at #630 was talking talking about reasons why Greenie was killed, and the significance of Nogwolf's peculiar take on it. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

However, Legate is probably another one who needs looking at– I mean, I don't think anyone has paid him that much attention this game, which is odd in itself.

But I doubt I'm going to have time toDay.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think the reference is to this:

Yeah I know, I just didn't understand what he was saying... I thought that after talking a lot about how random something (don't remember exactly what and don't bother checking) was, he said that what I had said might not be true. And it didn't make sense.

[Nerwen]

Brinniel, Day 4

#576
Wants to look at Glirwolf's posts, thinks other wolves may be found amongst those who were "hesitant and perhaps discouraging of the bandwagon".


#600
Analyses Greenie's comments on Nogrod, agrees they may well point to his being a wolf. Is surprised by Greenie's death, as she found Greenie suspicious and would have thought the wolves would keep her alive for that reason.


#604
Analyses Glirdan's comments on other players.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

On Day 2, he started with putting Legate and Sally as suspicious. That makes Legate look better since I doubt he'd list two wolves there. He later lists Mira and winty as possible suspects. Not sure about Mira, but the way he comments on winty makes it seem like he's preparing himself to join a winty bandwagon if that were to happen on a later Day. He voted Shasta on Day 1...since it was a throwaway, it could be wolf-on-wolf, but I don't know how likely that actually is.

Comments: Nothing much. The conclusions she draws here are a bit on the thin side, though.


#606
Lists "those hesitant about a Glirdan lynch" (me, Zil, Skip and Aganzir), "those eager for one" (Morsul, Nienna and Lommy) and those who were just "wishy washy" (Legate and Nogrod). Legate, Agan, Nogrod and I look bad, Lommy and Nienna look good.

Comments: As I've said before, while Skip and Zil did defend Glirdan (Skip wasn't just "hesitant"!), her claim about me rests on a single out-of-context quote and is a fairly serious misrepresentation. (I haven't checked whether or not this applies to Agan as well.) And compare to
Brinn's own Day 3 posting!

Still, is this actually wolfish? I don't know... I think a Wolfiel might have been more aware of how she herself had come across that Day. I mean, wolves tend to monitor themselves more than innocents do. (Also, at least one of those she listed as "bad" (Nogrod) was actually a wolf.)


#645
Suspicion list:
winty, Aganzir, Legate, Morsul and Nienna are "innocentish". She has no idea about Zil, Mira, Shasta and Lommy. I am "possibly wolfish" and Nogrod "wolfish".

Comments: While Brinn has been consistent with her suspicion on Nogwolf, she now seems to have flipped on quite a number of other players. (Possibly I've missed a post or two in between, but I can't find it.)


#646
Casts 6th vote on Nogrod: "there's just so many reasons that point to his guilt."


General Comments: Doesn't look too bad, really. This all *could* be a wolf-on-wolf attack, but it would have to be a very well-played one indeed, even for her.

General remarks on Brinniel, based on all 4 Days:

I've seen her as looking very good throughout most of the game, but after this I'm more on the fence about her. I mean, I certainly wouldn't say she's sprouting fur before my eyes, or anything, but there are some points against her– more than I expected to find when I started.

*shrugs*
I guess I'll have to leave it at "inconclusive", for now.

EDIT:X'd with Aganzir and Lommy; added comment.
EDIT2:Added heading.

[Aganzir]

It's raining and I don't feel like walking anywhere, which means I'm going to skip the lecture (plus I would've had to leave already if I had wanted to be there on time). Which means I could try to get my post count above wilwa's.

Morsul -> Shasta
Agan -> Nog
Lommy -> Nog (2)
skip -> Shasta (2)
Shasta -> Nog (3)
Legate -> Nog (4)
Inziladun -> Nog (5)
Brinn -> Nog (6)
Nogrod -> Shasta (3)
ww -> Nog (7)
Lottie -> Nog (8)
Nerwen -> Nog (9)

Didn't vote: Nienna & Mira.

By the way wilwa... If I counted correctly, Mira has failed to vote twice in a row.
To be honest I wouldn't mind if she was modfired because she's posted so little it would feel weird to lynch her at this point.

So... everybody but three people voted for Nog.

First, Morsul. By the time he voted, suspicions had already started to gather around Nog. However he didn't comment on them with a word but kept talking about other stuff and voted for Shasta in the end. Somehow I think that if he and Nog had been fellows, he would've felt compelled to say something about Nog. And being so proud of voting for two wolves, if he had known Nog's role wouldn't he have voted for him, too? I think yes. And I think Morsul looks quite innocent.

Then, skippy. He gave Shasta another vote (and tied him with Nog although there were still lots of votes to come). His vote looks worse because it made Shasta a serious lynching candidate (like, if somebody wanted to save Nog, they would've voted for Shasta). In 621 he talked about Green's death but didn't say anything about the did Green dream of Nog scenario, either, and he thought Shasta and Morsul might be the last wolves. He had been suspecting Shasta before though, so it wasn't anything new. He expressed second thoughts about Nog only in his vote post (when Nog had two votes).
Now, I assume that when the wolves killed Greenie, they thought she might be the seer. And I imagine Nog said to his fellows something along these lines: "If she's the seer, don't try to save me but make yourself look better because if you're caught, we're done." Because to me it just doesn't make sense that the last wolf would risk getting caught by trying to save Nog. And although the placing of skippy's vote is slightly evil (could be more of a timezone issue though), I don't think he's a wolf. Plus it's possible Green dreamed of him.

And the last to vote for Shasta was Nog himself. Either it's wolf-on-wolf or Nog wanted to give us doubts about innocent Shasta. Personally I doubt he'd throw his fellow under the spotlight like that, but then again Nogwolf is usually ready to do most anything to look better himself (however when he voted there was little chance Shasta would be lynched, it was 6-3 for Nog).
Shasta has looked pretty innocent though, and I'd rather take Nog's yesterday posts with a pinch of salt anyway.

At least for me, this has narrowed the field to those who voted for Nog. Not exactly helpful, given that most people did that, but we have to start from somewhere...

Now that we know three wolves, finding the fourth shouldn't be so difficult. The easiest thing to do would be to continue Lommy's massive summary with Nog's interactions with people, and I might do it later today if nobody else wants to undertake the task. However first I'd like to look into Nerwen's posts (but even before that I'm going to get some food & tea).

[Nerwen]

#236
Believes Loslote's claim. Result of lynch fairly good. Thinks it likely at least one wolf would have been trying to save Lottie (this was true).


#277
winty's stated reason for voting her absurd, but probably just newbie-ish-ness. Agrees with me that we shouldn't ignore Lottie-voters either. Skip and Nog "seem reasonable so far". Ask Lommy to back up her claim that there were actually good reasons to vote Loslote.


#408
Now understands what Lommy meant, but disagrees. Greenie's vote ill-reasoned, but not necessarily wolfish. Nienna and Shasta look somewhat bad for their Day One votes. Responds to Aganzir, who pointed out that there was no apparent way winty could have known Brinn's reputation: says winty has now admitted making it up, and still thinks him just a n00b. Doesn't like Mira's vote for winty. Agrees Sally is suspicious, and can understand why people are voting her (Sally had five votes at this point). Unlikely all Lottie's suspects are wolves. Izzy and I are under her radar.

Comments: Failure to take advantage of winty looks good, sudden late suspicion of Sally– whom she had never mentioned before– looks a bit dubious.


#413
Votes Sally (6) "for reasons stated above".


#416
Agrees with Glirwolf that wintywinty "really hasn't made much of an improvement from yesterDay" and might be a wolf, but doesn't really think so.


#418. Asks if deadline was extended.


#427. Had missed the post about extended deadline.


General comments: Nothing really suspicious here either. The only things that do worry me slightly are the overall careful and bland tone of Brinn's posting, and the fact that she showed no sign of suspecting Sally (unless I missed something) until the latter had five votes.

Sallywolf says here that she has "no worries" about Brinn and Nogwolf singles Sally's trust of Brinn and Zil (innocent) out to comment on. If Sally was indeed planning to play the Seer, this would tend to support Brinn's innocence.

EDIT:X'd since my last post