WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Morsul the Dark]

Wintywinty – not guilty... voted day 1 but haven't seen anything beond that

Mira – Last of the Tea Party possibly guilty

Agan – Innocent

Shasta – Probably guilty

Lottie – innocent

Nerwen – The devil wears prada

Legate – no idea

Morsul – Innocent...Ordo... and backup lynch if need be

Skip – Innocent

Lommy – Hopefully innocent

Brinniel – no idea

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok obviously my grammar needs a bit of work... I wasn't comparing myself to Winty I was stating my reason for voting him... Lottie said I gave no reasons so I threw out the reasons I voted my votes.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here's a move for you Shasta and Lottie... and Skip... and it'll prove Lommy right... and since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway. You guys need to look at other people for the wolves I'm distracting you I'm cluttering your heads.

I need to get out of the way for the good of the village

++Morsul

I'm serious vote for me so you can get to the real wolf.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Here's a move for you Shasta and Lottie... and Skip... and it'll prove Lommy right... and since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway. You guys need to look at other people for the wolves I'm distracting you I'm cluttering your heads.

I need to get out of the way for the good of the village

++Morsul

I'm serious vote for me so you can get to the real wolf.

This is the stupidest move ever and does absolutely nothing to allay the suspicions I voiced the other day. However, Form is currently distracting me and I should have been in bed hours ago, so more about that later.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, Lottie, you've listed Skip in two different categories.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Really he could go in either category for me, so I put him in both intending to put him in one or the other in the end, but forgot. Although to be honest, that really does best illistrate how I think of him, so meh.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Wintywinty – not guilty... voted day 1 but haven't seen anything beond that

Mira – Last of the Tea Party possibly guilty

Agan – Innocent

Shasta – Probably guilty

Lottie – innocent

Nerwen – The devil wears prada

Legate – no idea

Morsul – Innocent...Ordo... and backup lynch if need be

Skip – Innocent

Lommy – Hopefully innocent

Brinniel – no idea

What the hey is this?? IC banter on Day 5? The devil wears prada? What does that even mean? How does this help anything? It doesn't even make sense!

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

I have no idea whatsoever what he was thinking when he voted for himself, but it could easily be innocent. *grumbles*

EDIT: xed since Morsul's vote.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

First off, no I never said you were against lynching him. I said you seemed hesitant about a Glirdan lynch...not the same as being totally against. If you were completely for lynching Glirdan all along, then I really didn't get that impression.

I wasn't "completely" for lynching Glirdan from the start of the Day, no. What did you expect? I'm not the Seer, I hadn't dreamed him and I was trying to look at both sides of the case. You quoted part of an early post of mine, ignoring everything I said before and after. Then you used that to claim I was overall "wishy-wishy" about suspecting him. As I said, I really do think that's quite a distortion.

That said, however, I haven't yet seen any other reason to suspect you.

Originally Posted by Loslote

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

You know, my gut feeling currently is that you're right– but he's certainly not doing himself any favours, the way he's acting.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Loslote

However...let's throw a little wrench in the bandwaggon.

Morsul probably is not furry. If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this. They do NOT work well together in the least. Morsul wouldn't even play in the same game as her last game.

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

I didn't take that to be her actual reason. Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Remember how we chose our own roles? This is pretty meta-reasoning, Lottie.

Yeah, it is, but normal reasoning just doesn't apply to him, as he follows no rules of common sense. So, you have to think "what would an illogical Morwolf do with packmate Sally?" And the answer is, go mad, probly.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Confusion sets in...

Lottie, I think Shasta thinks you're saying they wouldn't have chosen to be wolves together, therefore probably aren't. Which would be silly, of course.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Confusion sets in...

Lottie, I think Shasta thinks you're saying they wouldn't have chosen to be wolves together, therefore probably aren't. Which would be silly, of course.

No, light of my life. I'm saying that Lottie says Wilwa wouldn't have done it to Morsul and Sally, but we chose our own roles this game by way of choosing our characters, so Wilwa didn't really do anything.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Confusion sets in...

Lottie, I think Shasta thinks you're saying they wouldn't have chosen to be wolves together, therefore probably aren't. Which would be silly, of course.

Ah. No, I mean that they simply would not have been able to work together. You see, Morsul can't seem to work with her at all. Like, ever. What I was saying is that there's no way they would have been able to be as sane as they were/are if they were driving each other crazy every Night.

Also, this sort of explains his early Sally vote - he just wants her dead every game.

EDIT: xed with Shasta...and again, not quite.

[Morsul the Dark]

seems to me Shasta and Skip are the two most suspicious at this point...

[Aganzir]

I'm disappointed Inzy died because when Nog was revealed as a wolf, I came to the conclusion that it was very unlikely they were wolves together (the way Nog attacked Inzil because of his phrasing and the way Inzil reacted)... But ah well maybe it's better this way.

Today I want to have a look at Nerwen.

What we have left is a wolf, the ranger, a sheriff, the unicorn - and 7 ordos, one of whom the cursed.

Originally Posted by Shasta

It was pretty clear her prime suspect was Inzil, but I wonder if looking at who else she suspected will tell us anything.

It should be done whether it will tell us something or not... But I'm afraid she was killed because of what you said; probably everybody considered her innocent. And the last wolf might have thought her death might help frame Inzil.

And Lottie is still alive. In addition to Boro (obviously enough special) and Greenie (for her Nog suspicion), the wolves have killed Izzy and Nienna, neither of whom anybody suspected... One possibility is that the wolves are really desperate to find the cursed and don't care much about whom they kill (either they get a gifted or a potential cursed), so they simply start with the ones that are suspected the least.

I don't think Morsul is the last wolf. Yes there are points against him, but actually I think he looks pretty innocentish. And his self-vote... Of course it might be a bluff, but I have a hard time seeing a wolf do that, unless he has already given up without a fight.

Originally Posted by Morsul

since Nienna suspected me I'll be under fire anyway.

I wouldn't have thought so. I think she was killed mostly for looking so innocent, not because of her suspicions.

Originally Posted by Brinn

If I'm correct, there is one wolf left among nine players with unknown roles.

Among ten players with unknown roles, actually (although for each of the innocents, it's technically nine players).

Originally Posted by Lottie on Morsul

If he was Sally's packmate, they'd seriously both vote Wilwa Day 1 for putting them through this.

While I agree Morsul probably isn't a wolf, I wouldn't use that as an explanation... After all we chose our roles ourselves. Oh yes Shasta said the same.

**

As for yesterday...

I think Lommy looks very innocent - unless the wolves planned that they would go after one another whenever there was a reason to, and the one who survived should ensure their victory. And if Lommy is part of such conspiracy, she will have to do the dishes for a month.

Originally Posted by Nog

And where's your effort Agan? Oh, the moral highground is such a slippery thing... Why don't you try and go find the wolves? Are you so happy with the presumed outcome that you can just lay back and enjoy?

I suppose this warrants an answer... My effort went to sleep with my brain. I've had a very busy week with little time to post, and I'd have to adopt a totally new playing style to be as productive as I'd like to be. I should have more time today (at least if I don't attend a lecture about the portrayal of LGBT in movies) though.
And yes, yesterday I was feeling pretty positive about the outcome of the lynch.

Originally Posted by skip

This is clearly written from the perspective of a wolf, without stating that it is a hypothetical situation. If I were a wolf I'd be crazy for offering them up for a slaughter would be a fair argument. Maybe it was just an honest mistake, or perhaps a fatal slip of the tongue?

I noticed that too but I'm more inclined to think it was an honest mistake. Morsul seems like the kind of person who doesn't pay so much attention to what he says than most of us.

Originally Posted by Legate

That's so random that I am actually beginning to consider whether what Aganzir said about Nogrod possibly slipping his Wolf thoughts might not be true after all.

What do you mean? I don't get your comment.

Legate has been acting quite innocent thus far but I'm starting to get worried about him. Mainly because of the way he's been wavering about lynching the wolves... But then again there's sally's vote for him (albeit a throw-away).
Really, he seems way too undecided to my liking and it's not like the Legate I remember.

Originally Posted by skip

How do you behead a big grin anyway? Let's ask the The Queen Of Hearts shall we?

We crush his teeth one by one.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I just can't see a wolf grouping two packmates as suspicious.

Says who?

Originally Posted by Lottie

I think there's something funny going on between him and Lommy, but I'm not sure what yet.

Most likely it was just Nogwolf trying to frame innocent Lommy and get us to have second thoughts about her.

Trust:
Lottie
Lommy
Shasta. Nog's attack on him yesterday might be wolf-on-wolf but I don't know if even he would draw attention to a fellow like that. And Shasta has been reasonable and innocentish anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What do you mean? I don't get your comment.

I think the reference is to this:

#618.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Would Mr. Cat like to explain to me why the wolves would not want to kill a known innocent?
Or did you just betray something of your night talk? Are the wolves only desperate to find the cursed now?

Legate at #630 was talking talking about reasons why Greenie was killed, and the significance of Nogwolf's peculiar take on it. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

However, Legate is probably another one who needs looking at– I mean, I don't think anyone has paid him that much attention this game, which is odd in itself.

But I doubt I'm going to have time toDay.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think the reference is to this:

Yeah I know, I just didn't understand what he was saying... I thought that after talking a lot about how random something (don't remember exactly what and don't bother checking) was, he said that what I had said might not be true. And it didn't make sense.

[Thinlómien]

I'm around. Not much to say, really - not very surprised of the outcome of yesterDay's lynch (and I think it's sort of even now, Nogrod-seer busted me-wolf on Day1 last game so I don't feel very guilty of being an active part of getting him-wolf lynched based on a seer's points although the seer was not me ) or of the Night kill choice (I agree with those who think Nienna's death pointed to eliminating someone universally thought innocent).

Also, Agan said that the last wolf is now probably not much caring about who to kill because any ordo can be the cursed and getting rid of the gifteds is good (especially now after that the hunter's gone, there's only the unicorn whose death would be undesirable for the wolf). Somehow I have the feeling, though, that Lottie's going to keep us company for some time still...

Off to reply quotes from yesterDay and toDay. If I have time today, I'd love to have a look to Nog's interactions with people. However, I have to be at work in two hours and I have stuff to do before that, and my evening might be busy...

[Nerwen]

Brinniel, Day 4

#576
Wants to look at Glirwolf's posts, thinks other wolves may be found amongst those who were "hesitant and perhaps discouraging of the bandwagon".


#600
Analyses Greenie's comments on Nogrod, agrees they may well point to his being a wolf. Is surprised by Greenie's death, as she found Greenie suspicious and would have thought the wolves would keep her alive for that reason.


#604
Analyses Glirdan's comments on other players.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

On Day 2, he started with putting Legate and Sally as suspicious. That makes Legate look better since I doubt he'd list two wolves there. He later lists Mira and winty as possible suspects. Not sure about Mira, but the way he comments on winty makes it seem like he's preparing himself to join a winty bandwagon if that were to happen on a later Day. He voted Shasta on Day 1...since it was a throwaway, it could be wolf-on-wolf, but I don't know how likely that actually is.

Comments: Nothing much. The conclusions she draws here are a bit on the thin side, though.


#606
Lists "those hesitant about a Glirdan lynch" (me, Zil, Skip and Aganzir), "those eager for one" (Morsul, Nienna and Lommy) and those who were just "wishy washy" (Legate and Nogrod). Legate, Agan, Nogrod and I look bad, Lommy and Nienna look good.

Comments: As I've said before, while Skip and Zil did defend Glirdan (Skip wasn't just "hesitant"!), her claim about me rests on a single out-of-context quote and is a fairly serious misrepresentation. (I haven't checked whether or not this applies to Agan as well.) And compare to
Brinn's own Day 3 posting!

Still, is this actually wolfish? I don't know... I think a Wolfiel might have been more aware of how she herself had come across that Day. I mean, wolves tend to monitor themselves more than innocents do. (Also, at least one of those she listed as "bad" (Nogrod) was actually a wolf.)


#645
Suspicion list:
winty, Aganzir, Legate, Morsul and Nienna are "innocentish". She has no idea about Zil, Mira, Shasta and Lommy. I am "possibly wolfish" and Nogrod "wolfish".

Comments: While Brinn has been consistent with her suspicion on Nogwolf, she now seems to have flipped on quite a number of other players. (Possibly I've missed a post or two in between, but I can't find it.)


#646
Casts 6th vote on Nogrod: "there's just so many reasons that point to his guilt."


General Comments: Doesn't look too bad, really. This all *could* be a wolf-on-wolf attack, but it would have to be a very well-played one indeed, even for her.

General remarks on Brinniel, based on all 4 Days:

I've seen her as looking very good throughout most of the game, but after this I'm more on the fence about her. I mean, I certainly wouldn't say she's sprouting fur before my eyes, or anything, but there are some points against her– more than I expected to find when I started.

*shrugs*
I guess I'll have to leave it at "inconclusive", for now.

EDIT:X'd with Aganzir and Lommy; added comment.
EDIT2:Added heading.

[Aganzir]

It's raining and I don't feel like walking anywhere, which means I'm going to skip the lecture (plus I would've had to leave already if I had wanted to be there on time). Which means I could try to get my post count above wilwa's.

Morsul -> Shasta
Agan -> Nog
Lommy -> Nog (2)
skip -> Shasta (2)
Shasta -> Nog (3)
Legate -> Nog (4)
Inziladun -> Nog (5)
Brinn -> Nog (6)
Nogrod -> Shasta (3)
ww -> Nog (7)
Lottie -> Nog (8)
Nerwen -> Nog (9)

Didn't vote: Nienna & Mira.

By the way wilwa... If I counted correctly, Mira has failed to vote twice in a row.
To be honest I wouldn't mind if she was modfired because she's posted so little it would feel weird to lynch her at this point.

So... everybody but three people voted for Nog.

First, Morsul. By the time he voted, suspicions had already started to gather around Nog. However he didn't comment on them with a word but kept talking about other stuff and voted for Shasta in the end. Somehow I think that if he and Nog had been fellows, he would've felt compelled to say something about Nog. And being so proud of voting for two wolves, if he had known Nog's role wouldn't he have voted for him, too? I think yes. And I think Morsul looks quite innocent.

Then, skippy. He gave Shasta another vote (and tied him with Nog although there were still lots of votes to come). His vote looks worse because it made Shasta a serious lynching candidate (like, if somebody wanted to save Nog, they would've voted for Shasta). In 621 he talked about Green's death but didn't say anything about the did Green dream of Nog scenario, either, and he thought Shasta and Morsul might be the last wolves. He had been suspecting Shasta before though, so it wasn't anything new. He expressed second thoughts about Nog only in his vote post (when Nog had two votes).
Now, I assume that when the wolves killed Greenie, they thought she might be the seer. And I imagine Nog said to his fellows something along these lines: "If she's the seer, don't try to save me but make yourself look better because if you're caught, we're done." Because to me it just doesn't make sense that the last wolf would risk getting caught by trying to save Nog. And although the placing of skippy's vote is slightly evil (could be more of a timezone issue though), I don't think he's a wolf. Plus it's possible Green dreamed of him.

And the last to vote for Shasta was Nog himself. Either it's wolf-on-wolf or Nog wanted to give us doubts about innocent Shasta. Personally I doubt he'd throw his fellow under the spotlight like that, but then again Nogwolf is usually ready to do most anything to look better himself (however when he voted there was little chance Shasta would be lynched, it was 6-3 for Nog).
Shasta has looked pretty innocent though, and I'd rather take Nog's yesterday posts with a pinch of salt anyway.

At least for me, this has narrowed the field to those who voted for Nog. Not exactly helpful, given that most people did that, but we have to start from somewhere...

Now that we know three wolves, finding the fourth shouldn't be so difficult. The easiest thing to do would be to continue Lommy's massive summary with Nog's interactions with people, and I might do it later today if nobody else wants to undertake the task. However first I'd like to look into Nerwen's posts (but even before that I'm going to get some food & tea).