WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[Isabellkya]

Winty. Have you thought about the possibility that both Eomer and Loslote were killed because they gave off Gifted vibes?

Shasta.

"OMGUS" (translated as "Oh my gosh, you suck" and is commonly used to denote a vote for personal reasons rather than game-related ones... i.e. revenge votes..

Is this your definition of OMGUS? If it is, then you are slightly off. OMGUS votes are game related, and are chiefly meant as person B voting for person A; solely because person A voted for person B. That is how the entire 'phenomenon' began in the first place.

In regards to Paranoia attempting to butter us up. He would more than likely kill the both of us off first.

Your entire analysis on Paranoia looks more like you are trying to fit what he has said/done to fit your WereBorg theory. As opposed to reaching that conclusion after you analyzed him.

You seem to be confident that what powers the WereBorg may or may not have, are more powerful than what the Morphs have. Is there anything to back this up? Or pure speculation?
Is there also some clear statement that the Assassin can not do anything to the WereBorg? Or more speculation?

Have you factored in the possibility that the Assassin perishes?
"plus the Morph's only got their kill left"
Did the morphs have something more than a Night kill?


Dun.
"Dun. If Wilwa and I were morphmates. Why throw my vote away on Rikae? Why not 'seize opportunity and find a plausible reason to vote for someone other than Wilwa', whom would keep her away from the noose? Some one like.. Paranoia for instance. I was the last vote, why not try and save her?"

I copy/pasted my own for your benefit. Seems you missed it somehow. Care to answer?


Shasta. Not even going to give Paranoia a chance to respond? Or.. anyone else really for that matter? You can not fit under timezone differences; because I believe you and Paranoia are in the same one...

Paranoia. Pitch apparently is unconcerned with his survival. I call bluff tactic. Appeal to emotion?

Shasta. Are you saying his past game defense is not helping, because of what happened in the past games? Or because meta is not so ehm relevant? The inner judge in me would say - you opened that door, first.

I rather dislike this current position we are in.

Last two votes.. myself and Dun?. I was planning on voting for Dun. plgh.

X'd with Dun.

[Isabellkya]

Paranoia, Dun, and myself left to vote. Plgh more!

[Isabellkya]

What do people think of Shasta?

I may be incorrect, but he seems to of gone largely unnoticed. Winty to an extent himself.

[Rikae]

I have no arguments for or against Shasta, basically, except thinking he was a bit quick to push the Bearanoia lynch, though I do see it as a decent plan myself (Izzy, you seem to be missing the point that the assassin cannot kill the bear - from the admin thread: "Armed with a gun that shoots darts lethal to the Metamorph nervous system, the assassin may pick one target every Night." The bear is not a metamorph).

Wintywinty did say a few things I found innocentish, which caused me to move him further to the "innocentish" side and which I than forgot. Let me see...

[Isabellkya]

Since the WereBorg was/is a secret role; how likely would it be that the mod would include such information in the Assassins role?

"Human victims will be unharmed."

Or were the two secret roles completely separate of the rest. Both created to balance each other out? Bounty Hunter hunts WereBorg, WereBorg must eliminate Bounty Hunter? Or something along those lines.


X'd with every thing after #310.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Is this your definition of OMGUS? If it is, then you are slightly off. OMGUS votes are game related, and are chiefly meant as person B voting for person A; solely because person A voted for person B. That is how the entire 'phenomenon' began in the first place.

Exactly. Revenge-votes. I don't consider them game related. Rather than having any game-related reason behind them, they're just "OMG you suck!" and revenge-voting.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Is this your definition of OMGUS? If it is, then you are slightly off. OMGUS votes are game related, and are chiefly meant as person B voting for person A; solely because person A voted for person B. That is how the entire 'phenomenon' began in the first place.

Explain yourself. I haven't seen anyone who looks as much like the Bear as Paranoia does, so I analyzed him with the way one catches a bear in mind, and that's what I found.

Originally Posted by Izzy

You seem to be confident that what powers the WereBorg may or may not have, are more powerful than what the Morphs have. Is there anything to back this up? Or pure speculation?
Is there also some clear statement that the Assassin can not do anything to the WereBorg? Or more speculation?

Yes, the first is speculation. But it's well-founded speculation. The Bear's game is over at any time if chosen randomly by the Morph's for a kill, or if bandwagoned on while unable to post, or any number of unfair reasons that have nothing to do with their gameplay, and that's entirely unfair to the player, so why wouldn't the Bear have some kind of advantage. The Morphs have numbers - what might the Bear have to compensate? They have to have some shot at winning. The second question is based on the wording of the Assassin role, which makes no mention of the Bear role at all, so I don't think it affects the Bear role in any way.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Have you factored in the possibility that the Assassin perishes?
"plus the Morph's only got their kill left"
Did the morphs have something more than a Night kill?

No, I haven't, other than to lump it in with the "we'd have to be extremely unlucky". And I don't believe so - at least, it wasn't in the description of the role given to us in the Admin thread. The Morphs only have a nightkill.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Shasta. Not even going to give Paranoia a chance to respond? Or.. anyone else really for that matter? You can not fit under timezone differences; because I believe you and Paranoia are in the same one...

When did I claim timezone differences? I voted for two reasons - one, because I suspect Paranoia of being the bear, and two - to force Pitchmorph to vote Paranoia before leaving for the night. I figured he'd have to vote for self-preservation, and gave him a way to do so while getting another vote for someone I find suspicious.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Shasta. Are you saying his past game defense is not helping, because of what happened in the past games? Or because meta is not so ehm relevant? The inner judge in me would say - you opened that door, first.

Would it? Care to explain how? I said it wasn't helping because past games don't matter, they're completely metagame.

Originally Posted by Inzil

To be honest, I hadn't given much thought to the space-bear or whatever it may be. Sorry. I got cought up looking for the Metamorph. I still don't think it's likely to be Pitch.

Don't think Pitch is likely to be the Morph? Or the Bear? And if you're thinking of voting Paranoia for possible bear-ship, thinking of voting me for voting Paranoia for possible bear-ship is entirely double-standard-worthy, and makes me even more sure that you're the Traitor trying to save Pitch.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oops. That second (double) quote should actually be -

Originally Posted by Izzy

Your entire analysis on Paranoia looks more like you are trying to fit what he has said/done to fit your WereBorg theory. As opposed to reaching that conclusion after you analyzed him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Finding the bear today is not the best case scenario. Finding the last morph is. By focusing his search on the bear, Shasta is essentially trying to give the last morph a free pass today.

No, it's not, and no, I'm not. I've done the math (which you apparently have either mis-read, not read at all, or completely disregarded), and you're forgetting that having a Morph alive is better than having the Bear alive because the Morph can be killed by the Assassin. You're also giving the Traitor entirely too much credit. We should be wary of them, true, but clearly at least one innocent knows who they are (re: the plot), which greatly diminishes their effectiveness.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Or were the two secret roles completely separate of the rest. Both created to balance each other out? Bounty Hunter hunts WereBorg, WereBorg must eliminate Bounty Hunter? Or something along those lines.

That would be my guess, given that in Eomer's death-plot, he shot someone that wasn't the bear and apparently did no damage.

[satansaloser2005]

Please put your actual votes on separate lines, as is Werewolf tradition. It's way easier to see a vote which starts out a line (because you can just scan) than to look at every line, even with highlighting to simplify. It makes things easier not only for lazy dead me, but for everyone else too. Thanks for your consideration!



Also....



Rikae-->Pitch
Shasta-->Paranoia
Winty-->Pitch (2)
Pitch-->Paranoia (2)
Paranoia-->Pitch (3)


ETA: x'd with Iz and Shasta

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae-->Pitch
Shasta-->Paranoia
Winty-->Pitch (2)
Pitch-->Paranoia (2)
Paranoia-->Pitch (3)
Dun-->Paranoia (3)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Don't think Pitch is likely to be the Morph? Or the Bear? And if you're thinking of voting Paranoia for possible bear-ship, thinking of voting me for voting Paranoia for possible bear-ship is entirely double-standard-worthy, and makes me even more sure that you're the Traitor trying to save Pitch.

I don't recall saying I was considering voting for you. Why so jumpy?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If Wilwa and I were morphmates. Why throw my vote away on Rikae? Why not 'seize opportunity and find a plausible reason to vote for someone other than Wilwa', whom would keep her away from the noose? Some one like.. Paranoia for instance. I was the last vote, why not try and save her?"

Very quickly: perhaps you didn't think there was time to fabricate a sufficently innocent looking case against Paraand opted for the safer option of a revenge-vote.

[Rikae]

Alas, a list.

Inziladun – Ordo or cobbler
Paranoia – Wereborg.
Pitchwife –Metamorph suspect #1
Isabellkya –Ordo or cobbler
Shasta –Metamorph suspect #2
wintywinty – Ordo
Rikae – Good and dead.Goodbye, cruel world! I hope you all get eaten by rats... er, I mean, go village! Rah rah rah!

[Rikae]

Mm... to clarify list further:

Most nonmorphish:
Rikae
Izzy

Fairly nonmorphish:
Inzil
wintywinty

Morphiest:
Paranoia
Pitchwife
Shasta

[Rikae]

Oh, the pops are sweeter and the taste is new! They're shot with sugar through and through!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Rikae - Don't suppose I can ask "why", can I?

[Rikae]

Hey, wereborg! Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, metal butt! You want a piece of me? Huh? *brandishes soldering gun*

Shasta:
You can, but I'm not telling. Nyah nyah!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hey, wereborg! Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, metal butt! You want a piece of me? Huh? *brandishes soldering gun*

Shasta:
You can, but I'm not telling. Nyah nyah!

Fine! Then I think you're just sour grapes for not winning the post-count war. Nyah boo.

[Paranoia]

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

To Zul: At the start of the day you said you considered me unlikely to be a wolf, and that you had spent most of your time looking for them. My issue with you now is you go and vote for someone you do not suspect to be a wolf, as opposed to another person you don't believe to be a wolf. The difference here is that Pitch voted two days in a row without bothering to wait for me to post to respond to the accusations against me. This seems to indicate that you are indeed unconcerned about looking for the bear; it seems to indicate you know who the bear is. As in... the bear is you.

To Shasta: Your overwhelming attempt to shifting your focus on the bear today seems to indicate to me that you don't care about hunting morphs; indeed, the primary danger is still the morphs, no matter how diminished the traitor is in effect. Their numbers still give them a leg up on everyone else. And since you're so fond of math...

7- 3 (the lynch and the night kill) = 4. If we hit right, assuming traitor. 7-3 = 4. We still lose, unless the assassin strikes true tonight. Assuming we hit the morph. 7-2 = 5. Pretty good odds, with the traitor basically stuck with no way to win, and the bear having to survive two rounds. Hitting the bear leaves us at 7-2 = 5, and assuming the traitor isn't hit, leaves us in a dire position with only one more mistake costing us the game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cut it out.

There is no need or call for any of this rudeness. Werewolf is a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. Stop cutting each other down, please.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.