WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I hope so.

Here's something to talk about, which I raised earlier: Blind Guardian did, I think, drop a hint about her role. I never picked it up until after she died, but it's possible Hephaestus was looking a bit harder.

It may be worth seeing if anyone seemed to be particularly protective of her. (Or to be hinting back, perhaps– though look where searching for hints has got us...)

It looks like she did give a hint here:

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I've drinken and I'm not 16. It's where I get my good looks from. Though I'm not French. Though I wouldn't drink that much, true. Dionyses doesn't have a lover. So is Eönwë hinting that he's Dionyses?

Not sure if anyone picked up on the hint. I'll will have to go back and see.

[autume98]

So apparently I'm a little confused. I know shocker! I thought for some reason the Aphrodite had to do with wine. I looked it up and it has to do with Love and Beauty. So please ignore the above post.

Edit: x-ed with tp and wilwa

[the phantom]

*laughs at Tum*

Why do you want us to ignore your last post? BG did in fact make a beauty reference in it, so it still fits.

[the phantom]

And I see you can add Lalaith and Wilwa to the list of people who have called me "touchy" or similar. Has it really been that long since people have seen an innocent Phantom under fire?

I even recall someone (SPM perhaps?) back in the day pointing out that I was doing my usual hysterical thing under fire, and in another game I recall being asked to stop shouting so much (typing in all caps) because I was angry.

Are all the ancient ones gone? Kuru? Fordim? Anguirel? Where are you?

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And I see you can add Lalaith and Wilwa to the list of people who have called me "touchy" or similar. Has it really been that long since people have seen an innocent Phantom under fire?

I even recall someone (SPM perhaps?) back in the day pointing out that I was doing my usual hysterical thing under fire, and in another game I recall being asked to stop shouting so much (typing in all caps) because I was angry.

Are all the ancient ones gone? Kuru? Fordim? Anguirel? Where are you?

Phantom, I said I didn't see what was touchy about your posts.


And Tum dear, BG's post *did* have an Aphrodite hint. And many people have pointed it out.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I do actually lean on voting for Eonwë (his actions toDay haven't exactly made him look better) and do not have too much time, so could you tell me what makes you think Boro was the false seer rather than the true one? I mean he didn't know it himself which one he was and thus you can't read it from his behaviour, so what's your view?

My leaning towards him as the false Seer is more or less because Eonwe just hasn't looked that bad to me, and that seems to be the obvious dream.

As I stated before, yesterday he didn't look bad to me because I thought his Dionysus comment was done in honesty, not to mention that if he was Dionysus Boro couldn't have spotted him, thus suspecting him for that today seems completely counter-productive. What other reason is there to suspect him?

At this point the best reason I see to vote for him is just to give it a logical try- i.e. he's the most likely dream plus it would be a possible clue to the badness of others seeing as he was a lynching suspect yesterday. The only problem is he hasn't felt bad to me, and I'd kick myself for going against my judgement. But then going against logic is bad too.

Meh. In general I just don't like this situation.

Anyway, I have to leave right this instant! I'll be back for the final two/three hours.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, don't be such a drama ghost. (This in response to Phantom's #443.)


Okay, so here's a rough list of how I feel about people. Don't think I can stay much longer, alas. I'm sorry, but I won't be back once I leave (until toMorrow of course).


Good:
Nienna
Greenie
Kath
Dun
Rikae
Lottie


Not sure:
Lal (think she's pretty safe, but I never can read her)
Phantom (he looks innocent, but something's not quite right)
Tum (she looks really confused, but I may smell a plotting newbie....I'll look at her)
Mac (I'm clearly missing something, so I'll have to look at him....but meh?)
Stick (confusing me with....nothing....hence the problem)
Shasta (not getting a darn thing on him)


Not so good:
Foley (she said she thought Phantom could be a gifted....that's never an innocent thing to say)
Nog (he's just....weird, and doesn't seem like an innocent Nog, toDay's confusing discussion about language aside)
Nerwen (I don't suspect her, thus she must be something....it better be evil)
Steve (he's responding strangely to all this attention, and while I think his Dionysus thing was fine I still think he's evil)


I'm not sure who I'll be voting for yet, but I won't be voting four my first category, that's for sure. After all, I love 'em so!


ETA: Did I get the right number of baddies? If so, it was unintentional, I swears.

[satansaloser2005]

Bugger this. I'm too tired to leave. *slacks* I'll be back with more in-depth thoughts.

[Nogrod]

Today's votes so far...

Greenie -> Mac
Shasta -> Nogrod
Kath -> Nogrod 2
Lalaith -> Eonwë

Some remarks of skimming (really skimming) through the thread.

There was this incredible "taming of Mac" that took place. I had totally forgotten it. What happened? I mean the to and fro between Mac and tp ending in the sugariest ending I've seen in a while...

Shasta may be having time-issues but if he has he had relatively long time to post his short remarks.. but the problem is he seems to be going only where the wind seems to blow. So yesterDay he was for lynching Eonwë and toDay Mac and me - and after tp said Mac was alright he didn't feel such an urge to go after him either... you have a nice padawan Obie phantom, but they should learn some independence. Also his reasons for voting me were interesting:

His case is a big steaming bucket of double-, triple-, and quadruple-bluffing, as far as I'm concerned

Really? In this game where everyone - but one - has an increased reason to hide and to bluff. It was not too much of a reason - especially looking at the other side: what would an intelligent wolf do? Be pleasing, nice, reasonable... and not run amok like a teenage hurricane... And as we're on it, what was it actually, Shasta? If you say someone is fishy come forwards and tell why and in which way. Otherwise I'll call your elementary attempt at bluffing back.

So as you see, I didn't like it. Not so much that it was a vote for me, but because it seemed like too calculated to not stand out - that it actually stood out... SO do not let him get easy on Days to come.

Unless something drastic happens, my vote will go to Eonwë. Reasons to follow suite.

[autume98]

I've been sitting here and skimming through the posts seeing if something would catch my eye. I went through the BG votes and I didn't really see anything suspicious there. So I thought I'd take a look at the Eonwe voters. And of course the one that really struck me was the vote from Boro.

I am interested in finding out what Eonwe's role is. I also took another look at his posts from yesterday. He did bring up quite a bit of Greek mythology in his posts yesterday. Another question to ask: Would Eonwe be so blatant as to say "Wolf!" in his first post?

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Murderers? What are we, Titans?
And how did the mortal(s) manage to get here? I'm pretty sure I didn't see Zeus didn't let them in.

Also:
"Wolf!"

There, now my first post really is screaming it to all of you.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Hokay so. Work today was brutal. All I want is to sleep and not think. (Yes, that is my excuse for never being around).

The one solid(ish) thing that is sticking in my addled mind is that phantom is making a weird amount of sense. Usually he just confuses me and makes me want him dead. This could be considered a point of concern.

Also, still not all that stoked on Boro indicating that I'm a ranger. If I was, I'd be quite annoyed for being pointed out (and thus probably dead toNight) but the fact that I have no idea where he got that from whatsoever really concerns me. It also leads me to not put too much stake in the theories that Steve is a wolf and phantom is Zeus.

Of course, now with a lack of easy bandwagons to jump on, I'm at a total loss of who to vote for toDay. There's a legitimate chance I won't be voting in order to avoid another weak vote out of sheer annoyance.

ADD:

Originally Posted by autume98

I am interested in finding out what Eonwe's role is. I also took another look at his posts from yesterday. He did bring up quite a bit of Greek mythology in his posts yesterday. Another question to ask: Would Eonwe be so blatant as to say "Wolf!" in his first post?

Well clearly he was.

[Nogrod]

Alright.

Looking at Boro's posting the only believable seer hint - let's say unambiguos - is the one concerning Eonwë being -4 damage to us innocents. THat's actually quite boldly said if the scale has been made with innocent dying being between +1-10.

Now there are two clear "buts" involved.
1) Boro might be the false seer and thus his dream is incorrect. (although a cursed might appear as a wolf or a wolf as a cursed - among other roles available, just to remind you there are those possibilities as well)
2) Why would have Boro picked Eonwë as his first dream? There could have been more like "usual suspects"? (but then again, he has been an amazing seer thus far and sometimes seers go their ways)

But on top of that there are a few things.

Eonwë's toying with the "Wolf! There you had it!" and the stuff about Dionysos from Day1. He defended the way some others had already suggested by saying it was too obvious. Once again: a thing may look obvious when pointed out but when going with the flow it's not obvious unless you're looking for it. That's the way the hints get through, being obvious enough to one who looks for it but not obvious enough to one whop doesn't look for it - unless some maddening person brings them forwards for all to see...

And the fact, that it's probably not only the wolves who try to assure us it was too obvious but maybe also some innocents think like that, actually speaks in favour of my theory. If an innocent thinks it's too obvious then it wouldn't have been one.

And actually there was also this in the last minutes:

Originally Posted by Eonwë

But isn't the Cursed meant to play on the side of the village until they become a wolf?

I do read that as the classical "hey, I'm ignorant of that possibility" -defence which is always quite suspicious. I think that from the discussion we'd had we had quite clearly come to the conclusion that there is a flaw in the rules where the cursed is given the knowledge of him being the cursed thus making it possible for the cursed to play from the beginning as the wannabe-wolf.

But could he be a wolf? Well... Boro said he would be -4 damage to us if killed, so what would he give for a wolf and what for a cursed?

My main reason for my heightened suspicions on him toDay is this:

So, are you saying that as a wolf you'd rather kill the seer than leave one of your own to get killed so early on?

Because Boro basically voted for me for no reason, so obviously if the wolves killed him it would point straight to me. Wouldn't that be more than a little risky?

I read it, and read it again, and re-read it... and I was almost giving up, going back to Nerwen, or anyone... The first part of it just looks soo uninformed and boldly ignorant... so an innocent accused by the false seer or just a cursed we could and maybe even should wait for to lynch untill there is a sign of someone turning into a wolf (like Glirdy promised to let us know from the narration). But then the latter part really struck on me.

Let me quote it once again:

Originally Posted by Eonwë

Because Boro basically voted for me for no reason, so obviously if the wolves killed him it would point straight to me. Wouldn't that be more than a little risky?

Wouldn't that be more than a little risky? For an innocent Eonwë? Who was voted for no reason by the seer?

What risk would the wolves have had if their kill pointed at an innocent Eonwë?

And it's clear to everyone, if the possible seer was right and named X as a wolf, then it is the most risky for the wolves to let the possible seer to live - even if it costs one of them the next Day. And someone voting firmly "with no reason at all" is the benchmark of a seer...

And with four wolves, possibly more in the future, they could afford it nicely...


So how does this go together with my initial "cursed"-suspicion?

There's the enigmatic number -4. Was Boro trying to hint he was not that big a baddie or just trying to protect himself not going outright naming him -10 or somethig? I don't know.

Those of you who though Eonwë was not making cursed hints - as those would have been too bold - should think of the following though. How about a wolf-Eonwë? Maybe they discussed it and thought we would not lynch the possible cursed so one of them trying to pose as one could slip under the radar that way? Actually that would be quite a nice idea: provoking exactly the reaction some of you had - and what's most desirable, the idea of "let's not lynch him". What a perfect hiding-place for a wolf...

So looking at all that I must say:

++ Eonwë


EDIT: add a reading instruction - this is a "dramatically build-post" aka. the motive is opened bit by bit like my thought processes went, from cursed to wolf...

[autume98]

Originally Posted by the phantom

*laughs at Tum*

Why do you want us to ignore your last post? BG did in fact make a beauty reference in it, so it still fits.

So she did. I think I just made a fool of myself. I did not see anyone who responded to it so it doesn't help us find her partner.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by autume98

So apparently I'm a little confused. I know shocker! I thought for some reason the Aphrodite had to do with wine. I looked it up and it has to do with Love and Beauty. So please ignore the above post.

Edit: x-ed with tp and wilwa

The possible hint I'm talking about was in that post– it's the bit about her "good looks".

[autume98]

So after going over BG's posts again, this time looking for something to do with love and beauty. I came up with nothing. I don't see one iota of a hint that she tried to give her partner Hephaestus.