WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

With tp's "case" against Mac it's clearly different. That was pure fabrication. It was actually such a foolish thing I did use the word framing on purpose.

Hey now! His quote about "being alone" combined with his possible scripture reference of Hades "giving up" the dead combined with his plea for us to look for hints... I mean- you can say that it's stretching, but do not call it fabricated or foolish. I believe my case was wrong after hearing Mac speak, and I never stated that it was incredibly compelling to begin with (plus in my explanation later to Mac I explained that I was partly leaning towards him being Demeter, not Hades- did you skip over that?). You're going overboard and seemingly trying to paint me to look like I'm making things up or lying, and that's just a completely untrue assessment.

Originally Posted by Nog

I would still come to his Eonwë -thing as the most likely seer hint (surprise-surprise, but then again I wouldn't have gone after someone that steadily for nothing).

So here's once again what Boro said about anyone who's not a wolf hurting us if dying:

Voting Eonwë he then said this:

So if an innocent dying hurts us on a positive scale (the more the worst), then someone dying and going to the negative side of the scale would not be innocent. That is downright plausible.

To me the only questions that remain, are whether Boro was the real or the false seer and did he see him as a cursed or as a wolf?

Well, well, we actually have found one point in common. In respect to Boro and his dreaming you have reached the same conclusion as me (see my post earlier today). I think the main difference between us on this matter was that I came into the day inclined to view Eonwe more innocently than you (and thus I probably think it more likely than you do that Boro was the false Seer).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Hey now! His quote about "being alone" combined with his possible scripture reference of Hades "giving up" the dead combined with his plea for us to look for hints... I mean- you can say that it's stretching, but do not call it fabricated or foolish. I believe my case was wrong after hearing Mac speak, and I never stated that it was incredibly compelling to begin with (plus in my explanation later to Mac I explained that I was partly leaning towards him being Demeter, not Hades- did you skip over that?). You're going overboard and seemingly trying to paint me to look like I'm making things up or lying, and that's just a completely untrue assessment.

I know you like to play mind-games and test people; and that requires "making things up". Many of us do that to check how people react to them etc. And really, being the only one having an opinion and complaining about it is nothing odd (I should know!), the scripture-reference should be hewn overboard in this case just because the reference will not be familiar to most native-speakers either (unless active learned christians, I suppose?), and we all, well quite a host of us, talked about needing to find the hints (what else have we actually discussed if I may ask?). So saying that becasue of those Mac is especially suspicious? Stretched, yes. I would say more than that but sadly miss the vocabulary to more refinedly say a fabrication... framed was the one that came to mind. And you do frame when you test, don't you?

Anyway, I like it far better now.

Well, well, we actually have found one point in common. In respect to Boro and his dreaming you have reached the same conclusion as me (see my post earlier today). I think the main difference between us on this matter was that I came into the day inclined to view Eonwe more innocently than you (and thus I probably think it more likely than you do that Boro was the false Seer).

I do actually lean on voting for Eonwë (his actions toDay haven't exactly made him look better) and do not have too much time, so could you tell me what makes you think Boro was the false seer rather than the true one? I mean he didn't know it himself which one he was and thus you can't read it from his behaviour, so what's your view?

[wilwarin538]

So....I took a nap. That's why it took me so long to come back. *is exhausted* But here's the list I said I would make:


I'm ok with the following people

Lalaith
Nerwen
Rikae
Mac
Sallycakes
Greenie

Meh, neutral

Kath: I liked her post yesterday cause I appreciated her effort, but I would like more from her before I form a realy oppinion
Nienna: just not enough to go on from what I can see, still don't get why people wanted to lynch her, unless I missed something
Inzil: just hasn't stood out for me
Mira: still not too much from her
Phantom
Folwren

I'm uneasy about

Tum: because of some of the things she's been saying it just seems very odd, but I'm not going to push it as much as some people cause this just seems like it could turn into a repeat of yesterDay and the Day before
Lottie: only because of how much effort she's putting into going after Tum, besides that I don't feel strongly about her either way
Shasta: purely a gut thing I'll admit, I'll need to look at his posts more
Nog


So I'm not overly suspicious about anyone but I'd be comfortable voting for anyone in my last category, and could possibly be persuaded to vote for some of the ones in the middle one. Hopefully tonight when I need to decide I'll have narrowed it down more.

x'ed with a couple

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sorry for not posting earlier. I'm dealing with a lot of crap at the moment.

In any case, I agree with those who say Lottie's mega-post is one that was virtually unreadable. Summaries, please.

Re - Nog and the question he asked of me yesterday: when I said that your case on Nerwen was double-, triple-, and quadruple-bluffing, I meant that it relied on 'would a wolf have done this, or would a wolf not have done this knowing we'd think they did, or...?' That's basically all it is, and I don't see anything else supporting it.

Re - Sally's plan: the main point against it is the revenge-kills, as Rikae pointed out. For that reason alone I'd be against it.