WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You answered your own question, m'dear. It was only one single event, and it's buried beneath hundreds of other posts. "Time to look over the thread" is exactly what is required here. No one has spotted it simply because no one has done more than skim it.

But now that we have so few players, I'm sure you'll find who hinted to Nerwen about being her lover. Just go back and read Day 1 posts made by living players. You don't have to read Nerwen's posts, of course, as she's Persephone. You don't have to read mine, as I'm the one telling you to look. So that leaves Lalaith, Folwren, Shasta, Sally, and Mira. Neither of those five wrote a book on Day 1, so the task isn't terribly daunting.

Time to find Hades, folks. *looks up* And I see Sally agrees on that.

Phantom, whatever you're up to, you don't sound like you're trying to help the village here. If you really think you've spotted Hades, then why don't you just point to the post in question, instead of making the other players jump through hoops for you? (No, I don't know who you think it is, either.)

Seriously: why, if I were Persephone, would Greenie think Mac of all people was Hades? He tried to lynch me on Day One. Is Greenie supposed to have thought that was all an act, and he was somehow sending me lover-hints in the middle of it? Tell you what, it looked pretty sincere from where I am.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Phantom, whatever you're up to, you don't sound like you're trying to help the village here. If you really think you've spotted Hades, then why don't you just point to the post in question, instead of making the other players jump through hoops for you? (No, I don't know who you think it is, either.)

No, he's being a real snob about it. I don't know if that's just him, or if he doesn't care if we win or not.

Seriously: why, if I were Persephone, would Greenie think Mac of all people was Hades? He tried to lynch me on Day One. Is Greenie supposed to have thought that was all an act, and he was somehow sending me lover-hints in the middle of it? Tell you what, it looked pretty sincere from where I am.

Nerwen, you may not want us to think your Persephone, because if we get that idea out of our heads, p'raps we won't find Hades and if we don't, then your lover group might just win.

On the other hand, Phantom might be Persephone, Nerwen could be Hades, and then where we be? I like that idea, however unlikely it is. Mwahahaha.

-- Foley

[the phantom]

Okay, fine. Since you're insisting that I do so, Nerwen. *grumbles*

Greenie knew who Persephone was. The only person she listed as a non-Wolf in every single list she made was Nerwen. That means she is Persephone. End of story.

From Day 1-

Originally Posted by Shasta

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.

So yeah. There's Hades.

No doubt the remark can be given an explanation or a story to put it in context, but that does not mean innocence, it simply means there is a cover story.

(edit: x-post with Folwren. Yay! She already gave the quote.)

[Folwren]

Haha, I beat you to it! Nyaw, Nyaw!

[Nerwen]

Mmn. This is getting interesting. Folwren, there's no way you could know that kind of talk is a running gag between Shasta and me– but phantom does. Oh yes, I do wonder what he is.

Meanwhile, phantom I suspect the fact that Greenie kept listing me as a non-wolf meant she, um... thought I wasn't a wolf. Sometimes things are that simple.

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I have to go now, but I'll be back later. Good night.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Meanwhile, phantom I suspect the fact that Greenie kept listing me as a non-wolf meant she, um... thought I wasn't a wolf. Sometimes things are that simple.

And if things truly are that simple, then that would mean that anyone she lists as a possible Wolf at any point is, in her mind, a possible Wolf. Correct?

Now, if she knows someone is Persephone, is that person a possible Wolf? No. Therefore, using your logic, anyone that Greenie ever lists as a possible Wolf cannot be Persephone. But guess what? She lists everyone as a possible Wolf. Except you.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Folwren

No, he's being a real snob about it. I don't know if that's just him, or if he doesn't care if we win or not.

Meh, kind of both.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay, fine. Since you're insisting that I do so, Nerwen. *grumbles*

Greenie knew who Persephone was. The only person she listed as a non-Wolf in every single list she made was Nerwen. That means she is Persephone. End of story.

From Day 1-

So yeah. There's Hades.

No doubt the remark can be given an explanation or a story to put it in context, but that does not mean innocence, it simply means there is a cover story.

(edit: x-post with Folwren. Yay! She already gave the quote.)

Here and reading (I got off early today). Right, phantom, because Nerwen and I don't talk like that every single game.

Moving on...

Nerwen is, I think, innocent. I'm fairly sure I know who Phantom is, and that he's innocent (although crazy, like Sally said). Sally is Athena and thus innocent (unless she's a wolf and knows that the real Athena can't actually counter-reveal... given the way Glirdan treated not modkilling her, I wonder if that's actually the case?) Lalaith has done nothing to mitigate the suspicions on her I had yesterday, and I think Kath being Hestia makes her look worse. Mira I could almost vote for on principle - where is she and why hasn't she been modkilled yet? Folwren is a misled innocent, I'm pretty sure.

More later, but I'm fairly sure I'm going to have to vote fairly early again today.

[Lalaith]

Right, I'm back.
The Mira-related things that were bothering me were as follows:
1. I have been working on the premise that Sally is innocent, because no-one has counter-challenged her "hints". But then I thought, what if she had somehow worked out that the AWOL Mira was a wise virgin and thus she could safely make the claim in her absence? During a long and boring drive today I went through all of this and I can't see how Sally could have been so sure, so I'm back to base assuming she actually is what she's been hinting she is.
Then..the second train of thought....
2. Why have these last 2 pesky wolves been so hard to catch?
a.The AWOL issue raised its head again...surely at least one of them must be quiet...so therefore who is the quietest?? The absent players very rarely get lynched, particularly late in to the game.
b. Then I thought, surely wouldn't Mira's non-involvement imply a non-role? But then I thought, everyone left in this game has a role of some kind. So that premise doesn't actually stand up. Particularly as Mira has a tendency of not voting one day and then voting the next, and thus avoiding modfire.
c. So then I thought, following on from that, why hasn't Mira been night-killed yet? Presumably, particularly at the point when we had two rangers on our side, the wolves must surely have been going for someone who wasn't likely to be protected.
So, the upshot of all of this is, its difficult to stand up an argument for Mira being a wolf, given her lack of play and posts, on the other hand I can't see one good reason why Mira *isn't* a wolf.

[the phantom]

I can understand not wanting to rule Mira out as a Wolf, but really, there's no need to worry about her on this day. Focus on the easier lynch, and then it'll really be time to get down to work on the others. For what it's worth I'm pretty darn sure Mira is fine.

[the phantom]

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

You've put forth an argument? I must have missed it somewhere. Let's see...

1 - Your argument is based on believing that Nerwen is Persephone and that I 'hinted' at her.

1a - Nerwen may very well not be Persephone - you're assuming that.

1b - Me calling Nerwen the 'light of my life' was not a hint, it was banter, much like Nerwen's initial "What in Hades?". You're assuming that, as well.

1c - (logical conclusion) Your argument is based on two assumptions, one of which I know to be faulty (from my perspective, obviously).

Besides all that, if you're really who I think you are, we shouldn't be listening to you anyway.