WW LXXX: It's About Time! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-30-2010, 03:34 PM

Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style.

My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here).

Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede).

She obviously survived this gifted hint.

She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying.

Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote.

But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf.

++LOSLOTE

And now bedtime.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:03 PM

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:08 PM

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

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No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

I don't know about you but I'm killing baddies, regardless of their exact role.

Now that you're here, sally, would you care to tell me why you thought either Eomer or Greenie had to be a wolf?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:32 PM

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Nerwen · 08-30-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:01 PM

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

*snuggles her Shastasicle*

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

And tomorrow the seer will have had another dream (assuming the wolves don't kill them). I'm not risking losing the game now - even though I don't have a strong opinion on who's a wolf, I'm rather positive lynching skip can't do us much harm.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler. Either way, bad.

Also, this....

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Originally Posted by Agan

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

EVERYONE is a blind guess at wolfdom, in a way. And regardless of her suspecting innocent me, she clearly is saying here that she suspects me of being a wolf. If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?

I'm not saying that wanting to lynch the cobbler is evil, but when Agan doesn't even seem to be trying to come up with better candidates, it looks like a copout.

Oh, and are we again forgetting that Agan chose to vote me out of myself and Elf? I still think that's pretty suspicious, thanks very much.

EDIT: x'd with Agan

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:11 PM

Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie...

A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

Because I have found somebody who I'm pretty sure is the cobbler while I haven't found anyone whose wolfishness I feel sure enough about.

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As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc.

That doesn't really tell me much...

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Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory.

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

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We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Or the cobbler. Tell me who's a wolf and I might vote for them, but as long as I don't have a strong suspect, skip is my first choice.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Is that so unheard of?

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

Okay, not so much toDay perhaps, but Agan's theory was based on events that took place earlier and, bless you, you could easily have been lynched at some point earlier, couldn't you? As far as I can remember, which to be fair isn't that far at this point.

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

In that case I don't think I have any reason to abstain from voting for you... Except that's probably exactly what you want.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

Inziladun · 08-30-2010, 06:00 PM

DL in one hour.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 06:02 PM

This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but...

I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent.

Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)?

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:31 PM

It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching.

edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you.

08-30-2010, 03:34 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style. My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here). Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede). She obviously survived this gifted hint. She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying. Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote. But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf. ++LOSLOTE And now bedtime. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-30-2010, 04:03 PM	#2
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them. Votes: (Pitch - most likely no vote) Eomer - Lottie __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#3
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying. I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 04:32 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point. As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him. Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:01 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me. snuggles her Shastasicle** EDIT: x'd with Nerwen __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:11 PM	#10
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie... A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch? __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 05:46 PM	#17
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though... __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 06:00 PM	#18
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	DL in one hour. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

08-30-2010, 06:02 PM	#19
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but... I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent. Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 05:31 PM	#20
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching. edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

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