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Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:03 PM

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:08 PM

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

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No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

I don't know about you but I'm killing baddies, regardless of their exact role.

Now that you're here, sally, would you care to tell me why you thought either Eomer or Greenie had to be a wolf?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:32 PM

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Nerwen · 08-30-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:01 PM

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

*snuggles her Shastasicle*

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

And tomorrow the seer will have had another dream (assuming the wolves don't kill them). I'm not risking losing the game now - even though I don't have a strong opinion on who's a wolf, I'm rather positive lynching skip can't do us much harm.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.

ETA: I should point out, however, that it wasn't really all his fault. The pack had super bad luck anyway.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler. Either way, bad.

Also, this....

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Originally Posted by Agan

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

EVERYONE is a blind guess at wolfdom, in a way. And regardless of her suspecting innocent me, she clearly is saying here that she suspects me of being a wolf. If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?

I'm not saying that wanting to lynch the cobbler is evil, but when Agan doesn't even seem to be trying to come up with better candidates, it looks like a copout.

Oh, and are we again forgetting that Agan chose to vote me out of myself and Elf? I still think that's pretty suspicious, thanks very much.

EDIT: x'd with Agan

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:11 PM

Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie...

A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

Because I have found somebody who I'm pretty sure is the cobbler while I haven't found anyone whose wolfishness I feel sure enough about.

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As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc.

That doesn't really tell me much...

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Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory.

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

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We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Or the cobbler. Tell me who's a wolf and I might vote for them, but as long as I don't have a strong suspect, skip is my first choice.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Is that so unheard of?

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

Okay, not so much toDay perhaps, but Agan's theory was based on events that took place earlier and, bless you, you could easily have been lynched at some point earlier, couldn't you? As far as I can remember, which to be fair isn't that far at this point.

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

In that case I don't think I have any reason to abstain from voting for you... Except that's probably exactly what you want.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:46 PM

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

Inziladun · 08-30-2010, 06:00 PM

DL in one hour.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 06:02 PM

This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but...

I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent.

Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)?

Loslote · 08-30-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have no idea what I should do with Eomer. Before making up my mind, I'd like to hear some explanations from those who said either him or Greenie must be a wolf.

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Agan always does this. I'm inclinded to trust her more because of it, even if I don't entirely agree with her.

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Originally Posted by skip spence

So, Lottie, you around?

Now I am.

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements.

Is it really so hard to believe?

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 06:26 PM

Lottie apologises when voting for EW (bold for a wolf?). She tends to mention me, Pitch and sally as people she trusts (skip and Eomer looked decent on day 2, and she didn't know of Nerwen). She's been obsessing about Eomer since he and skip compared her behaviour in different games. Apparently she thought he was hinting at her being a gifted, but he had only played with her once before so I don't think you can really accuse him of suggesting she's a gifted if her only playing style he knows is from a game she was a gifted. And suddenly she suggests lynching him.

She acknowledges my point of Eomer not having played with her before, but come the next day, Eomer still looks like a big bad wolf. The previous day she had only had a weak case against him and a vague gut feeling about Greenie, but now she's all up for killing them both. However, she also goes through skip's posts and finds him rather cobblerish. If she was a wolf, would she try to throw the cobbler into the spotlight? I think not, unless she or one of her fellows was in an immediate danger of lynching.

Now she's so sure of Eomer's wolfdom she's looking for fellows for him. Pitch is Mr Agreeable around Eomer, and I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Ah heck... She could really go either way. Her seemingly ungrounded suspicion of Eomer & Greenie is weird and reminds me easily of her suspicion of me the first time we played together. I mean, being so sure she's blind to any other options. But it would also be quite convenient for a wolf, especially now that they have to push to get a few innocents lynched in order to win.

I'm totally at a loss.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:31 PM

It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching.

edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you.

08-30-2010, 04:03 PM	#1
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them. Votes: (Pitch - most likely no vote) Eomer - Lottie __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#2
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying. I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 04:32 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point. As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him. Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:01 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me. snuggles her Shastasicle** EDIT: x'd with Nerwen __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:11 PM	#10
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie... A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch? __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 05:46 PM	#17
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though... __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 06:00 PM	#18
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	DL in one hour. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

08-30-2010, 06:02 PM	#19
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but... I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent. Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 06:26 PM	#21
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Lottie apologises when voting for EW (bold for a wolf?). She tends to mention me, Pitch and sally as people she trusts (skip and Eomer looked decent on day 2, and she didn't know of Nerwen). She's been obsessing about Eomer since he and skip compared her behaviour in different games. Apparently she thought he was hinting at her being a gifted, but he had only played with her once before so I don't think you can really accuse him of suggesting she's a gifted if her only playing style he knows is from a game she was a gifted. And suddenly she suggests lynching him. She acknowledges my point of Eomer not having played with her before, but come the next day, Eomer still looks like a big bad wolf. The previous day she had only had a weak case against him and a vague gut feeling about Greenie, but now she's all up for killing them both. However, she also goes through skip's posts and finds him rather cobblerish. If she was a wolf, would she try to throw the cobbler into the spotlight? I think not, unless she or one of her fellows was in an immediate danger of lynching. Now she's so sure of Eomer's wolfdom she's looking for fellows for him. Pitch is Mr Agreeable around Eomer, and I'm apparently a possible wolf too. Ah heck... She could really go either way. Her seemingly ungrounded suspicion of Eomer & Greenie is weird and reminds me easily of her suspicion of me the first time we played together. I mean, being so sure she's blind to any other options. But it would also be quite convenient for a wolf, especially now that they have to push to get a few innocents lynched in order to win. I'm totally at a loss. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 08-30-2010 at 06:26 PM. Reason: xed with Lottie

08-30-2010, 05:31 PM	#22
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching. edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.