Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Thinlómien]

I'm back...

The rep pool seems nice, a good mix of people whom I trust (Legate), almost trust (Nog, Foley, Steve) and don't trust (Shasta). What doesn't seem nice, though, is the fact that so many people didn't vote. We don't really need that in a village where two ordos have already been modfired...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Eh? How can you be fishy in an innocent way?

Well, sometimes people seem kind of weird or suspicious but they just do it the way that you start thinking they are probably just weird innocents. However, you need not worry about that so much because currently I'm actually thinking Wilwa is fishy in a not-so-innocent way...

Today I'm going to
- reread what happened on the latter half of yesterDay after I left and try to draw conclusions
- decide whom I find suspicious and lobby for their death

But I'm warning you I have seemingly caught a flu and if it's the same one Agan had a week ago I may yet develop a high fever to make myself very ineffective. Currently feeling quite fine though so probably trying to get something done right now...


edit: celled with Nerwie

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I wouldn't want to depend too much on my own reasoning there, either to discount phantom as an SoE or show Sally must be one– as I said, it's just speculation.

Barring Seer reveals, this game is all about speculation, isn't it? I'm not saying Sally must be an elf, but her behaviour really makes me suspect she is - and when you gave a more or less logical explanation as to why she and Lottie could have been elves together after all I naturally felt inclined to agree with it. Does that make sense?

Nerwen, if you're still around: who are your top suspects and why?

Also, yay for Kath's reappearance!

[Nogrod]

Thank you for your trust. I'll try to be worth it. But as you probably know, I need to vote about four hours before the DL the latest so I'm not able to be there around the DL (that being 4am) as I have an early morning call tomorrow.

I have now read all there is. I will take stuff to my memorystick and head back home soon and then do some thinking there to come back to this pub later in the evening - as I don't think I should sit here for eight hours drinking beer and end up worse than Rune would have been were he made a representative...

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'm not saying Sally must be an elf, but her behaviour really makes me suspect she is - and when you gave a more or less logical explanation as to why she and Lottie could have been elves together after all I naturally felt inclined to agree with it.

The problem here is that there is also another logical explanation. So let's leave this matter to the seer, honestly.

We might do with an analysis also on Lottie's relations to everyone, not only an analysis that has been limited to this predetermined supposition of Sally - Lottie - phantom forming a triangle. If I'm correct in thinking that Sally & tp are innocents then I could see the SoE's be more than happy to keep up the impression that S & tp are tied to Lottie and should be only be handled in the context of their relation to Lottielf. So we should also check Lottie's other contacts...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If I'm correct in thinking that Sally & tp are innocents then I could see the SoE's be more than happy to keep up the impression that S & tp are tied to Lottie and should be only be handled in the context of their relation to Lottielf. So we should also check Lottie's other contacts...

Except she doesn't really have any. I just read through Day One. She posts plenty, but all she does is defend her vote for phantom, and defend phantom himself. Over and over.

Someone needs to work from the other direction– what people said about her, and to her. But I'm just too tired now to do it myself.

[satansaloser2005]

I need to stop randomly falling asleep.

Anyway, here's how this works. I explain/sum up the vote of a person, then put the current tally, then move onto the next vote. Simple, yes? All right. Now read.



I voted for Phantom in what was admittedly a mostly random move, but one that, on general principle, I was comfortable with. Besides, as far as I knew, I wouldn’t be around for the rest of the Day.

Sally-->Phantom


Lottie posts this shortly after my vote, which to me is worrisome.

Originally Posted by Loslote

This makes sense, and looks rather innocent of you, but I'm going be around, so Phantom, no vote for you.

...yet.

I find it interesting that it really does seem to be a foregone conclusion for her. This, at least for me, was the first sign that she might be evil. Just a tone thing, really.

Not long afterward, she votes.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)

Rune comes in a while later and says that he has “nothing to base his decisions on” but that he’s giving his power to Lommie. He also mentions that he would love to be a rep himself.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie

Greenie says she voted Nerwen because she is “independent-minded and clever” and says that putting a good Nerwen in charge is a good choice, while putting an evil Nerwen in charge can show us more about her character; either way (re: Nerwen’s alignment) Greenie is sure that voting Nerwen is a good idea. What concerns me here is that this is exactly the reasoning that I gave for Phantom. Greenie has been accusatory of me for my vote, yet hers was for the same reasons (though granted with more “evidence” behind it).

Also, if Wilwa was making so much sense, why didn’t she vote for her? I bring this up only because Wilwa is quite the suspect for me, and if Wilwa is a wolf I could see Greenie!wolf not wanting to have ties between them, and thus finding another candidate for representative. Just an idea to keep in mind for the future, really.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen

Nog votes for someone quiet, hoping to bring people out of the shadows and get a better mix of people in power. Izzy was innocent, which I think speaks well enough of Nog, but it also doesn’t clear him. Unfortunately, I don’t get much information or feeling out of this vote.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy

Mira’s vote is interesting for sure. She votes Phantom on what looks like banter. I’m not happy. Of course I know she didn’t have time to read everything, but if she read that far she could have at least said something I’d think. Meh, I don’t know. I’m not going to lynch her for this alone because I haven’t seen enough from her yet to know if this is evilness or just a rushed ordo.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom

Boro then votes for Vanilwa, which he justifies with liking her earlier proposal. Being the first Day, I wouldn’t have seen anything against it anyway, as you obviously vote for a rep you trust or agree with, and at this point there’s not much to agree on, so it’s a simple vote.

Also, yes, I know he’s dead, but I included him anyway. Nyah.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom
Boro-->Wilwa

Lommie votes for Greenie for much the same reason Boro votes for Muffin. She also mentions that she hopes Foley can be a rep.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie

Steve makes his choice between Legate and Greenie in the latter’s favor, saying that, no surprise, she’s reasonable and not evil. (Also, as a point of interest, I originally read his post as “I don’t think she’s that evil”, not “I don’t think that she’s evil”. Why can life never be that simple?)

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)

Dun (Dun Dun) seems to be one of the Boro vs. Phantom crowd (which wasn’t really a crowd, per se, but still). He was unhappy with Phantom’s rep status and thought Boro could....balance him out, I guess? There’s also the teeniest bit of push with that post, but I think I’m seeing things.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro

Shasta voted Izzy. Because he could.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)

Legate, having seen that Izzy is now a rep, decides Nerwen is his next best choice.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)

Cel’s vote is interesting, reasoned more along the lines of Nog’s but with the added mention that she doesn’t seem to have a problem with Phantom being a rep, unlike a few people expressed. In fact, she finds “nothing odd about tp’s campaign to lead”, but says it won’t really help determine his role. She’s not interested in watching Boro and Phantom fight, and isn’t too keen on discussing Phantom any more than she has to, though she would love a shiny gift. She also mentions that she likes “orcs with minds of their own”, and then votes for Foley.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley

After Phantom jokes earlier of Cel being innocent by admitting her “guilt”, he votes her, saying that he thinks she’s innocent and wants to see more of her.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley
Phantom-->Cel

Nerwen plops in rudely (snerk) and votes for Lommie, commenting later on the Phantom stuff.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley
Phantom-->Cel
Nerwen-->Lommie (2)

In an x-post, Wilwa says that Lommie is reasonable and trusted to make a good choice. In her edit she headdesks at condracting her power limitation plan but says she’s glad someone besides Phantom has more power.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley
Phantom-->Cel
Nerwen-->Lommie (2)
Wilwa-->Lommie (3)

Foley’s vote is confusing, but not guilt-riddled. I completely believe that she misread names and counts, but I find it interesting that she voted for Cel. Granted, it’s because I suspect Cel and I’m keeping my eye on possible ties, but also because Foley said “I like Dun” and then voted someone that she said she didn’t know much about (proven by her “I know little about most of the people who have only one vote”). Nothing huge, of course, but an interesting tidbit. I’m curious as to why she didn’t give Dun a bit more power rather than gambling on Cel (a curiosity that is not quelled by Cel’s less than squeaky clean behavior so far).

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley
Phantom-->Cel
Nerwen-->Lommie (2)
Wilwa-->Lommie (3)
Foley-->Cel (2)

Izzy pops in last and adds Wilwa to the rep list, and that’s the end of Day One’s rep voting. On this final tally I’ve italicized the innocents and underlined known baddies, as is Norm.

Sally-->Phantom
Lottie-->Phantom (2)
Rune-->Lommie
Greenie-->Nerwen
Nog-->Izzy
Mira-->Phantom (3)
Boro-->Wilwa
Lommie-->Greenie
Steve-->Greenie (2)
Dun-->Boro
Shasta-->Izzy (2)
Legate-->Nerwen (2)
Cel-->Foley
Phantom-->Cel
Nerwen-->Lommie (2)
Wilwa-->Lommie (3)
Foley-->Cel (2)
Izzy-->Wilwa (2)

Didn’t vote for a representative: Glirdan, Kath

[Thinlómien]

Just letting you know I might not be back after this post.

Kath - Wilwa has seemed rather fishy to me since Day1, but sometimes she has seemed just innocently fishy (ie kind of eyebrow-raising the way some innocent people sometimes do). It was due to rereading and more thinking that I changed my mind, not because Greenie questioned my weird definition (she does it to me all the time ).

As for toDay's lynch: I'd prefer to see Sally, Cel or Wilwa gone. I don't have many solid reasons to back this up: mostly they all just seem "off" to me (Cel the most), and Wilwa's vote was fishy. Sally's role would tell us a great deal of phantom, I think.

Going to hang around now for fifteen minutes (shall post if something interesting occurs) and then I'll be gone. I might be back in 3-4 hours but I might as well head to bed at that hour...


edit: xed with Sally and only noticed it after a few minutes of staring at the thread

[Thinlómien]

PS. Sally you forgot Mira from your tallies although you mentioned her.

Going now. Vote well, reps!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. Sally you forgot Mira from your tallies although you mentioned her.

Going now. Vote well, reps!

Oh. Bloody. Bother. Thanks for pointing that out. How'd I miss that?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Except she doesn't really have any. I just read through Day One. She posts plenty, but all she does is defend her vote for phantom, and defend phantom himself. Over and over.

Someone needs to work from the other direction– what people said about her, and to her. But I'm just too tired now to do it myself.

You're right about that. I actually read through D1 as well trying to look at the interactions - and sadly even the other POV didn't bring in anything that I could say would look really interesting. I made some notes though and will read them through yet to see them more closely.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm unsure of what to make of Nog's insistence that the Seer should concentrate on the Sally-phantom-matter.

Well, so far (from the mid of D1 about) I have been guided by an interpretation of the general situation that points it being wiser to check them and not lynch them right away.


But reading yesterDay - and especially the ending of it made me actually quite unhappy with Wilwa. Look at these things...

First there is the minor fact that she left the voting like 25 minutes before the deadline. Convenient 25 minutes to wash her hands and leave the decision to others? You may be short on time and sometimes even half an hour of sleep is important. But still I find it more like an intentional decision to step out of the fray.

But why?

She did say eventually that she would prefer to lynch Lottie, but she also knew tp would not lynch Sally - and she had kind of closed the port for voting Boro already earlier saying she didn’t think of him as suspicious - and sure Boro had voted her as a rep so that route was shut.

So if she is an elf it would make that careful decision of one vote each and early exit quite understandable. Otherwise her actions (why get out at the last minutes & why deal even the votes if you preferred to lynch the other) make less sense.

Also, unlike some other here seem to think, I do also think Wilwa's first post toDay looked suspicious. Her explanations made sense, but the urge to defend herself looked to me quite overdone. The villains always feel threatened, more than they are, and these kind of over-reactions oftentimes follow.

I'm off to check back the Lottie-connections from D1.


x'd with Greenie

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Barring Seer reveals, this game is all about speculation, isn't it? I'm not saying Sally must be an elf, but her behaviour really makes me suspect she is - and when you gave a more or less logical explanation as to why she and Lottie could have been elves together after all I naturally felt inclined to agree with it. Does that make sense?

Yes.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Nerwen, if you're still around: who are your top suspects and why?

Oh, Sally, of course. And after her, those shady characters Xed and Mira– though of course there's not much to go on with either of them. And maybe Wilwa on Day One, now that I've looked at her, though not as Sally's partner. And maybe Zil, though that's for something very slight.

And I haven't ruled out the phantom yet, either.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day One (first half)
#86. Long post about how we should arrange the voting– thinks we should have many reps, with none having more than two votes.


#94. More on voting. Will not talk about tp "because Day 1s are always about him". Does not like Sally and Lottie's votes, but does not find either of them suspicious: "they enjoy doing crazy things". Will not rep-vote them, though. Likes Lommy, Legate, Boro, Nog and Greenie.


#119. Will make vote-count.


#121. Vote-count. Advises that nobody should give tp a fourth vote, and that the votes in general should be spread out.


#127. Defends her voting-plan against Steve's criticism. Might vote Nog, Lommy, Boro, Legate, Greenie, Izzy, Zil or me. (i.e. half the village!) Will decide later. Will be around at DL.


#129. Asks Fea if all reps automatically get 2 votes.


#135Declines to vote phantom, again defends her plan to Steve.


#157. Vote count. Will not vote for anyone without a vote already, in case it goes to waste. Now considering Boro or Lommy. Finds tp's vote for Cel "a tad odd", but does not object, as she likes the idea of voting some quiet people.


#159. Votes Lommy "Because I agreed with her today, and she's a very logical person, so I trust her to make a good choice."


#164, #167. Minor argument'clarification request about the voting rules.


#169.Wants to elect quiet players.


#170, #176. Banter with Fea.

#181. Suspects Foley confused Zil and Izzy. (This was the case.)


#186. Banter about votes. Will be back later.




Wilwa, Day One (second half)

#220. Is back.

#227. Is having computer problems.


#258. Banter with Fea. Phantom is being silly. Defends her voting-plan.

Has no idea who to vote; asks for suggestions:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

If the people who voted me in (Boro and Izzy right?) could like write my name in all caps and bold it (WILWA) like so, so that I can see it, and then say who they want to vote for, I'll take those suggestions into consideration and likely go for one of those, because I haven't been around enough to make much of an informed decision, unfortunately, and likely won't have the time too, and since there is going to be so few votes I don't want to make it random, so I'd rather go off their more informed opinions.

#289. Agrees with Xed that phantom isn't suspicious:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

Especially in games like this, where the dynamic is different, he waltzes in with some idea along the lines of "I'm the bestest and the smartest, do what I say and we win", so we really can't suspect him for that.

Of Sally and Lottie:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

I hearts them greatly *snuggles*, but would be willing to lynch them both. At the moment the way Lottie defended Phantom so much earlier seemed strange to me (I think it was Nerwen she was talking back and forth with, and the whole exchange was just so weird), so I'd be leaning more towards her, she just seems so sneaky.

Fine with Boro, with give Glirdan a pass for the moment, likes Xed, Shasta and Nog. Neutral about everyone else.


#295. Banter. Defends phantom.


#297. Vote count. Notes that phantom's vote will probably decide the lynch.


#298. Casts a vote each for Lottie and Sally.

Comments: Wilwa posts a lot without saying much; general tone of breathless gaiety is reminiscent of her wolf-style; only starts suspecting Lottie when the latter is clearly in trouble. So yeah, she might be a wolf– but surely only if Sally isn't, because otherwise voting them both would be an insane risk.

EDIT: typo.

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen's analysis doesn't really make Wilwa look any better in my eyes. However, what I'd love to do is going through Lottie's relations with others, but somehow I'm not sure I have the energy. Blah. I'm off to reread the last hours of Day1, and then I will hopefully either gather my thoughts about people or possibly try the Lottie-thing. If someone feels up to analysis, though, that would be a lovely thing to do. *hint hint*

edit: xed with Nerwen

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Celery

And no, Noggie and Lommie, I'm not playing a phorc phiddle... but I do find it fun to be in-role as an orc. *throws disgusting and probably questionably procured items in a bubbling cauldron of smelly stew* If suspicion of me is only based on being in role, that's interesting, and will place my eye in the direction of said suspectors.

It's not based on that. It's a general feeling I can't shake which is based on your playing style. Something is off there. I know these kind of suspicions are very annoying for the recipient because you can't really defend yourself against them, but I don't have anything else against you atm.

Funny that the two whom phantom wanted to see dead yesterDay ended up modfired toDay... Phantom dear, are you sure you haven't been bribing our moddesses?

Unless both Sally and Lottie are wolves, then wolf-phantom would've been wise to change his mind about Sally a bit earlier on and voted her and saved Lottie. This makes him seem more innocent (until/unless sally is proved a wolf, which wouldn't be that big a surprise). Also, he seems too impassionate in the end of the voting on Day1 to have any serious interest on the income, which he would've had had he been a wolf with (just) Lottie.

Okay I think I will make some sort of a summary about what I feel about people...

[Thinlómien]

Rather innocent
Greenie - I think I can read her at the moment, and she seems like her innocent self. Simply, there's nothing particularily suspicious in the way she acts.
Legate - see above (except replace "she" with "he" ).

Relatively innocent
Eönwë - nothing I've seen from him really makes me worry, but it's been ages since I played with him so I have this uncomfortable feeling he might be fooling me all the time as I don't know what to expect and I'm not realising it.
Nogrod - lacks the carefulness and certain opinionatedness of the typical Nogwolf. Still far from sure, since I tend to fail at reading him.
Phantom - all in all, he seems more innocent and guilty, simply like the cunning yet annoying plotty-phanty. But like I said, if Sally turns out to be a wolf, we need serious reconsiderations.
Rune - I think a Runewolf tends to be more touchy and less genuine-feeling. Rune hasn't been threatened much yet though, so if he has fur, it's been quite easy to hide it.

Middle
Foley - I used to think her very innocent, but now she hasn't been around, so I have started to doubt my quite hasty conslusions on her alignment. Would love to see more of her, but still not too worried yet!
Nerwen - she's so difficult! Reading her posts, every second screams innocent and every second screams wolf. Currently leaning slightly innocent.
Shasta - uses 90% of his energy arguing with tp. Unusual? No. Good cover for a SoE? Yes. *deep sigh* There's something I don't trust in his manner, but then again, would he really be this single-minded as a wolf?
Zillo - I tend to suspect him always a bit based on his playing style. But if I think reasonably, he seems quite good this far. I'm not worried but I'd love to see more of him.

No clue
Kath - glad to see her around. Need more data, though.
Mira - seriously, gal, say SOMETHING.

Suspicious
Celuien - like I said, it's just a gut-feeling. Something seems off with her posting style. And like somebody pointed out, her vote wasn't the least suspicious one yesterDay.
Sally - well there is something going on here too. I have to say she is weirdly kind of flying under my radar, but I don't like her attitude in this game. Too chirpy.
Vanilla muffin - although the reasoning of it is plausible, her "either way" vote yesterDay is just too convenient. Also, I get the Wolfwa vibes from the tone of her posts - there's something out-of-place there which might be that she's being evil ie against her true nature.

[Eönwë]

I'm sorry, I haven't had much of a chance to get online at all today, and when I have tried to go on this thread I had the time to do more than read.

I'm catching up now, but here are some of my thoughts so far:


Won't vote for:
Shasta- He seems to speak sense in an innocent way. Though I thought he was evil on early Day 1. I definitely need to reread his posts when I get a chance.
Lommy- Seems a little less innocent than yesterDay, but still makes sense and says a lot that I agree with.
Greenie- Not so sure about her. She felt very innocent yesterDay, but she doesn't so much toDay. She'll be another for me to reread.
Legate- He does seem a bit unclear/abstract at times, but I don't think he's evil.
Phantom- However much he's annoyed me, I can't actually see him being evil.
Inzil- I can never read him, but so far I can't see anything bad about him.
Rune- Just looks like he's having a bit of fun (and isn't that what this is about?), in an innocentish way.

Haven't seen enough:
Kath
Celuien
Mira
Foley- She's been around more than the ones above, but I can't really get a read on her yet.
Nog- See Foley, and he doesn't seem any more suspicious to me than usually does.

No idea (so most likely won't vote just yet):
Nerwen- Not sure whether I like or dislike her, but she's leaning innocent for now.

People who don't look so good:
Sally- As than the early rep-vote yesterDay, her responses just don't seem honest. However, because of the Lottie thing, I don't think she would be as likely to be an Elf, though there still is enough of a possibility for me to be willing to vote for her.
Wilwa- Everything she says makes me more convinced of her Elvishness. And she split her vote yesterDay when she could have used them both on Lottie, which seems like a very Elvsih thing to do, as I said earlier (She can cover herself by having voted an elf, but didn't use all her voting power to actually get her killed).

edit: fixed formatting and Xed with many (including 3 votes for Xed), though that doesn't matter since I haven't caught up fully anyway.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

If I wanted to lynch you, I could have done so by myself anyway.

Oh, I know you could, but I was just saying that it'd be more subtle and clever for you to just vote for someone likely to vote for me (as you did) and then use your three votes on someone no one has voted for (as you did) leaving the door wide open for me to be lynched. With two vocal anti-phantom reps (Foley & Shasta) you might've even bet on it. It just totally seems like something that I would do as a baddie. If you are a baddie- kudos for the scheme. If you're a goodie, I will have no choice but to fly to Europe after the game and punch you.

Originally Posted by Legate

Aside from that, you are getting rather paranoid

The threat of being lynched tends to do that to someone.

But I did read your explanation and I do concede that it may be true that you did not remember that Foley wouldn't be able to be here much. I'm fairly certain that I didn't remember that fact until late in the day myself. But you still had to have remembered that if you could take one thing away from her the first day, it was "I don't like Phantom". So still... bleh... but this will be something to revisit when people know more, especially if the voting goes precisely as I outlined.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't at all like the way Legate has voted today. Especially for Celuien, of all people, who's made all of, what, eight posts? More the point, he voted specifically to save Sally, which makes me want to lynch her more. I'm not really agreeing with the suspicion of Wilwa right now - the most suspicious thing that has stood out for me is actually her most recent post, where she basically begs for her life.

++Sally++

Up to Eonwe now (and Foley but I don't think she's going to be around... something I think Legate actually knew).

[the phantom]

Mira- are you around? I would love to hear any and every random thought you have. If you stay quiet it will be too easy for goodie and baddie alike to go along with lynching you, and combined with your lack of posts the lynch would be largely useless for future application.

Celuien- can you post as well?

[the phantom]

Shasta- are we actually agreeing on something ever so slightly? (Referring to Legate's rep & lynch vote- both might've been a bit shady?)

I see we're coming at it from different angles and what we wish to do as a result is different, but still... wow. I'm shocked.

[the phantom]

THE COUNT:

Nog-->Wilwa (2)
Legate-->Celuien (3)
Shasta-->Sally (2)

LEFT TO VOTE:
Foley (2)
Steve (2)

[Mirandir]

Immediate thoughts since they were requested; more detailed to come.

phantom doesn't feel evil - er, good? - to me. His attention getting ploys are slightly more ridiculous than when he actually has something to lose. Case and point - Seer reveal that in my opinion accomplished nothing.

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

Mira is a pretty ridiculous fail at this game. This is what happens when people are forced to spend their entire weekend doing homework.

Ima go take a look at sally's posts for the past couple days.

[Folwren]

Woah, woah, woah! You guys did NOT make me a representative! I juts got home, I have less than one and half hours before deadline, and you expect me to make votes for someone to die? Gee thanks.

I'll do a crash course and see what I can do. Don't expect much, because it looks like the family's about to sit down to dinner.

What would be better - that I don't vote at all, or that I do vote? If I plan to vote, then my plan is to see why some people dislike Celuien. If I don't think she should die, my votes will go towards Sally. If I am uncertain about Celuien, I will focus on some other people and see what I think....but don't expect a very scientific or well informed vote from me.

-- Folworc