Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Eönwë]

I'm sorry, I haven't had much of a chance to get online at all today, and when I have tried to go on this thread I had the time to do more than read.

I'm catching up now, but here are some of my thoughts so far:


Won't vote for:
Shasta- He seems to speak sense in an innocent way. Though I thought he was evil on early Day 1. I definitely need to reread his posts when I get a chance.
Lommy- Seems a little less innocent than yesterDay, but still makes sense and says a lot that I agree with.
Greenie- Not so sure about her. She felt very innocent yesterDay, but she doesn't so much toDay. She'll be another for me to reread.
Legate- He does seem a bit unclear/abstract at times, but I don't think he's evil.
Phantom- However much he's annoyed me, I can't actually see him being evil.
Inzil- I can never read him, but so far I can't see anything bad about him.
Rune- Just looks like he's having a bit of fun (and isn't that what this is about?), in an innocentish way.

Haven't seen enough:
Kath
Celuien
Mira
Foley- She's been around more than the ones above, but I can't really get a read on her yet.
Nog- See Foley, and he doesn't seem any more suspicious to me than usually does.

No idea (so most likely won't vote just yet):
Nerwen- Not sure whether I like or dislike her, but she's leaning innocent for now.

People who don't look so good:
Sally- As than the early rep-vote yesterDay, her responses just don't seem honest. However, because of the Lottie thing, I don't think she would be as likely to be an Elf, though there still is enough of a possibility for me to be willing to vote for her.
Wilwa- Everything she says makes me more convinced of her Elvishness. And she split her vote yesterDay when she could have used them both on Lottie, which seems like a very Elvsih thing to do, as I said earlier (She can cover herself by having voted an elf, but didn't use all her voting power to actually get her killed).

edit: fixed formatting and Xed with many (including 3 votes for Xed), though that doesn't matter since I haven't caught up fully anyway.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

If I wanted to lynch you, I could have done so by myself anyway.

Oh, I know you could, but I was just saying that it'd be more subtle and clever for you to just vote for someone likely to vote for me (as you did) and then use your three votes on someone no one has voted for (as you did) leaving the door wide open for me to be lynched. With two vocal anti-phantom reps (Foley & Shasta) you might've even bet on it. It just totally seems like something that I would do as a baddie. If you are a baddie- kudos for the scheme. If you're a goodie, I will have no choice but to fly to Europe after the game and punch you.

Originally Posted by Legate

Aside from that, you are getting rather paranoid

The threat of being lynched tends to do that to someone.

But I did read your explanation and I do concede that it may be true that you did not remember that Foley wouldn't be able to be here much. I'm fairly certain that I didn't remember that fact until late in the day myself. But you still had to have remembered that if you could take one thing away from her the first day, it was "I don't like Phantom". So still... bleh... but this will be something to revisit when people know more, especially if the voting goes precisely as I outlined.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't at all like the way Legate has voted today. Especially for Celuien, of all people, who's made all of, what, eight posts? More the point, he voted specifically to save Sally, which makes me want to lynch her more. I'm not really agreeing with the suspicion of Wilwa right now - the most suspicious thing that has stood out for me is actually her most recent post, where she basically begs for her life.

++Sally++

Up to Eonwe now (and Foley but I don't think she's going to be around... something I think Legate actually knew).

[the phantom]

Mira- are you around? I would love to hear any and every random thought you have. If you stay quiet it will be too easy for goodie and baddie alike to go along with lynching you, and combined with your lack of posts the lynch would be largely useless for future application.

Celuien- can you post as well?

[the phantom]

Shasta- are we actually agreeing on something ever so slightly? (Referring to Legate's rep & lynch vote- both might've been a bit shady?)

I see we're coming at it from different angles and what we wish to do as a result is different, but still... wow. I'm shocked.

[the phantom]

THE COUNT:

Nog-->Wilwa (2)
Legate-->Celuien (3)
Shasta-->Sally (2)

LEFT TO VOTE:
Foley (2)
Steve (2)

[Mirandir]

Immediate thoughts since they were requested; more detailed to come.

phantom doesn't feel evil - er, good? - to me. His attention getting ploys are slightly more ridiculous than when he actually has something to lose. Case and point - Seer reveal that in my opinion accomplished nothing.

Nog isn't making my head hurt, which a new and interesting experience. That does make me a tad suspicious with no backup for that though.

Mira is a pretty ridiculous fail at this game. This is what happens when people are forced to spend their entire weekend doing homework.

Ima go take a look at sally's posts for the past couple days.

[Mirandir]

#4 Votes phantom for representative in her first post of the game. Either it's Elf-on-Elf (which I doubt) or she's just being silly (my money's on that option).

#8 Her posts are my two favorite numbers. Just sayin.
Anyway. Banteringly accuses Lottie of being and Elf. Responds to Dun's "siriusly? vote 4 phantom b4 he shows up?" essentially saying that if he's good she trusts his judgement, and if he's not she trusts he won't do something asinine like lynch the Seer Day 1.

#12 Promises cookies if everyone votes phantom as rep.

#13 Comments on Fea's awesome narration skills.

#48 Forgets there's only one gifted. Jokingly says Shasta and Nerwen are SoE. Is upset with Lommy yelling at her and Lottie for voting for phantom.

#63 Explains that while Days last 48 hours, only the first 24 are for voting for representatives to Glirdan. Goes to be a productive member of society.

#165 Returns. Is highly offended by suspicions of her.

#185 Clarifies nicknames.

Day 2
#326 Wants to know where suspicion of her came from yesterDay. Says Lottie's posts had air of wolfishness but didn't point it out because:

A: I wasn't very coherent, B: I didn't want to look like I was trying to save my hide, and C: I trusted Phantom to keep me around.

Now, I know she and phantom are having some sort of love affair of ridiculousness, but past experience has shown me that he doesn't keep people around unless he has a decent reason to do so, which I haven't seen (admittedly, I also haven't really looked).

Guilty vibes from: Vanilwa, Steve, Cel
Innocent vibes from: Nog, Legate
Insulted vibes from: Lommie

Claims voted phantom because there's few better ways to test him than to give him power, which is least dangerous on Day 1.
This is a concept I can get behind. Not so much the blind faith in him, but the testing of power thing.

#368 Defends phantom's Seer reveal as an attempt to save whoever was getting lynched (who happened to have fur and claws). Suspects he's just being tricksy again and wants to know why he didn't vote.

Responds to Shasta's suspicions that every post she made that Day was suspicious by saying she only posted once and essentially "wtfudge how was that evil?" Further response to Shasta saying that he would have preferred sally be lynched yesterDay than Lottie, who turned out to be a SoE. She's just as confused as I am on that one and

But saying "I wish we hadn't Fenris'd someone" is never okay to say. Never. Sure, say "We should lynch Sally and see what happens and what we can learn with both of them dead" but you can't say you'd rather I was dead than a proven elf. I can't understand why you would say this unless you were one too. Sorry, kid, but it's true.

Agrees with Legate that Izzy's Night-death made sense since she was a Lottie voter.

Basically....Shasta looks bad to me, based on that post, and Legate sees sense on many a level, which unfortunately doesn't mean he's innocent. Nerwen looks rightfully innocently frustrated with Phantom, so I won't be wanting to lynch her toDay, but I don't want her as a representative either, as I don't want Phantom dead....yet, at least.

#371 Would rather be suspected by the village and allowed to make a case for herself than Night killed.
Makes sense.

#374 Discusses fake seer reveals with Nerwen. Says doesn't think phantom had the reasoning or timing to do so. Discusses phantom with Nerwen.

et's say Phantom is a SoB....erm, SoE. *headdesks, couldn't resist* Knowing that Phantom is a dirty, lowdown, double-crossing scumbag (with love, dear), he would likely be happy to vote for a packmate. It would make him look good, in fact. Thus, why wouldn't he just pile his votes on and say "look at me, I killed Lottie" and add to his train of Reasons Not to Suspect Phantom? It would make sense to do so, and while yes, some people would likely call him out and say "but you didn't kill her, in fact she was already dead before you voted", he would still look good to the masses, his "vote me and I won't vote you" pledge aside.

Basically, a wolf!Phantom would bus his packmate if he got the chance and it was really advantageous for him to do so. I'm not saying he would kill a packmate just because he fancied it, but I feel that he would double cross a fellow wolf/elf/thing if the situation had desired benefits. Especially if said packmate was already dead, or mostly dead, or whatever.

Granted, I'm not saying that I trust Phantom completely, because he could have thought of all the above beforehand and predicted that I (or someone else) would say this exact thing in his defense, but I think that voting for Lottie would have, in that case, looked actually worse than not voting at all.

There's a lot of phantom-defending going on here and I'm not particularly seeing any reason why. I get that they're friends in RL, but a majority of her posts revolve around him. Wolf!sally is never this blatant about protecting packmates. Based on that, I seriously doubt that she or phantom is a wolf. Well, phantom might be, but I already said in a previous post I don't think he is.

#375 Agrees with Rune that two SoE didn't team up Day 1. Asks Nerwen if she is correct in thinking that sally and Lottie are not furry together.

#380 Talks about phantom more. Points out that we know he's not the Seer.

#383 Asks why Nerwen voted Shasta for rep.

#395 Apologizes to Shasta for misinterpreting him. Then tells him his reasoning fails.

Also, in regards to Nog's post below, I concur (on the Phantom bits). I'm not saying that I understand him, I'm saying that I can see reasoning for why his actions wouldn't be those of a wolf. Thus, for now, I want him alive.

#396

For those who don't have time to read Shasta's list in full....

Innocent: Anyone who agrees with him
Undecided: People who haven't specifically agreed/disagreed with him....yet
Guilty: People who don't buy all his rubbish

Seriously, he even says that's his reasoning for who he trusts. Read the post.

Foley seems correct? How would you know if her suspicions are correct unless you know everyone's roles? There's no other way to know if someone is "correct", and if you know roles you're either the seer (who can't possibly know enough roles to make this kind of judgement) or a son of an elvish trollop. So....that leaves?

...K. I get she's not thrilled with this whole "misunderstanding" thing going on, but this is awfully defensive when it doesn't need to be. Either she has really strong feelings that Shasta is furry that I have yet to get to, or she's insulted and acting out. Wolf!sally generally keeps her temper in check better than this.

#424 Responds to phantom's question of if anyone else is interested in seeing what she would do as a rep by claiming she'd kill an elf. Considering voting Nog.

#433 Doesn't want Vanilwa as a rep, but would be okay with Nog and could settle for Nerwen, but doesn't say why.

#437 Is not stoked Shasta is a rep. Most likely won't vote Nerwen. Would be happier with Nog.

#439 Votes Nog for rep.

#441 Asks phantom if he'd considering thirding Nog if he can't get someone else in power.

#464 Looks at the Day 1 rep votes. Finds Lottie's vote right after hers worrisome. Wants to know if Wilwa was making so much sense why Greenie voted for Nerwen instead of her. Doesn't draw any conclusions from Nog's vote for Izzy. Is not thrilled with my phantom vote but doesn't want to lynch me yet. Finds Cel's vote for Foley interesting. Finds Foley's vote for Cel confusing but not guilt-riddled.

#472 Agrees with Nog that Wilwa is fishy. Responds to Legate that she would like to see Wilwa or Cel killed.
I'm still not sure where the suspicion of Wilwa is coming from, though...

#482 Is stoked phantom agrees that Wilwa is calculating and thus potentially evil.
There aren't Lovers in this game, right? :P

#494 Pops in to say has internet troubles and might not be back.

xed since Foley's 516.

[Folwren]

Woah, woah, woah! You guys did NOT make me a representative! I juts got home, I have less than one and half hours before deadline, and you expect me to make votes for someone to die? Gee thanks.

I'll do a crash course and see what I can do. Don't expect much, because it looks like the family's about to sit down to dinner.

What would be better - that I don't vote at all, or that I do vote? If I plan to vote, then my plan is to see why some people dislike Celuien. If I don't think she should die, my votes will go towards Sally. If I am uncertain about Celuien, I will focus on some other people and see what I think....but don't expect a very scientific or well informed vote from me.

-- Folworc

[Eönwë]

Finally caught up.

Ok, well I can't really see why Celuien is such a suspect now. I'll need to reread her again when I'm less tired, but from what I've seen so far she just doesn't seem really innocent in any way, but she doesn't really look evil either. And she hasn't really posted enough for me to judge her.

And as I said earlier, I'd rather vote Wilwa than Sally right now, so:

++Wilwa x2++


And now it's up to Foley