Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Do you think I haven't been following the game thread the entire time, Nog? I saw your post, and Phantom has said much the same (although I already know you're going to claim that he's a cobbler and to disregard everything he's said) - there's nothing to suggest that you didn't make those hints specifically because you knew you'd want to false-reveal as the Seer at some point, and everything to suggest that if you were the Seer you'd never have done such a thing since there was no need.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Do you think I haven't been following the game thread the entire time, Nog? I saw your post, and Phantom has said much the same (although I already know you're going to claim that he's a cobbler and to disregard everything he's said) - there's nothing to suggest that you didn't make those hints specifically because you knew you'd want to false-reveal as the Seer at some point, and everything to suggest that if you were the Seer you'd never have done such a thing since there was no need.

Oh my... your stubborness might be a big problem here. Well, your panicking first and you not being able to admit you were wrong will be.

But I'm hopeful as I can dream of everyone coming in here, so maybe you can be persuaded one by one?

Wel I hope so, as we have a common mission here and it seems we have a relatively good start as we can really find ageement. Well we should t least...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oh my... your stubborness might be a big problem here. Well, your panicking first and you not being able to admit you were wrong will be.

But I'm hopeful as I can dream of everyone coming in here, so maybe you can be persuaded one by one?

Wel I hope so, as we have a common mission here and it seems we have a relatively good start as we can really find ageement. Well we should t least...

Excuse me? Excuse me? Panicking? Really?

...

No, I'm not even going to bother. Rising to the bait is exactly what you want me to do and I'm not buying it.

I'll just sit here quietly and wait for Manwe to vote you.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I say things like that, and then come up with a point that has to be pointed out.

We, as a group (the dead) should only be voting to reveal the role of those who meet their death via the lynch. As the dead can only be revealed as "innocent" or "wolf", we already know that anyone killed by the wolves is not a "wolf"; therefore they're automatically "innocent", whether ordo, Gifted, or cobbler. Voting for someone sent here via wolf-kill is pointless as we already know the outcome.

That was probably obvious, but I felt the need to point it out nonetheless.

[Rikae]

Yeah, Nog, I think I remember BG pulling this stunt before as well. A ban from signing up for games might be in order.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'll just sit here quietly and wait for Manwe to vote you.

I suggest he should do that. And you as well.

Rikae: Can I vote myself for my role to be revealed?

[Rikae]

Nog: of course.

[Nogrod]

Shasta, I'm really sorry about my language 12 hours ago, but I was soo freaking frustrated back then on why you didn't get what I was trying to say and which seemed so obvious to me...

But now I think I understand better and see I had ignored at least one major issue back there. And that actually changes things - making also your reluctance to believe me quite more understandable.

For I had somehow managed to ignore Agan's bluff where she said she was Lúthien... I should have noted it and refuted it.

The fun part of this is that I actually remember seeing that "revelation" but I just skimmed it as her saying she was a lover, not realising she said it the wrong way.

But then again, and to my believabilty, I did say she is Beren from the get-go quite openly and never claimed she was Lúthien. Because she isn't. She is Beren.


So, I do apologise again from you, and hope you will see why I reacted that way: having not reacted to that bluff by Agan, which you understandably interpreted as me bluffing, I was totally puzzled and frustrated why you didn't see my point...

[Nogrod]

Okay. I finally got to read this thread as well. And I can see where the wind blows.

*headdesk*

Anyway, we have to pull our act together now.

You Shasta may say and think what you say and think about that call for unity. But I do hope you listen and think closely now for a moment.


I was playing bad on D2, I admit and do apologise again for it (too tired, too involved, too many glasses of wine...). That being as it is, we should really concentrate. The village has basically lost the lovers who could bring some real info to the game - and they have lost their seer a few Days too early.

That means, I really think my place is here, I just would have wished to enter here a bit later. Now we have to hope the ranger manages to keep her/himself alive for a while before visiting us - who should have then a solid act going on here.

I mean this game is going to be played in here in the end and we have a chance of pulling this together now before the wolves and cobblers enter this domain.


Mänwe is an ordinary innocent. I dreamt that toNight.

It's a no brainer to say you Shasta are Lúthien.

I am the seer who knows that Agan is Beren and the phantom is cobbler.


I'm very happy to join the vote toNight for one of us:

++ Nogrod

I guess that does it as there are two votes for me now.


And I can tell you what Rikae will tell us as a result. She will say I'm an innocent.

Now that will rule out the possibility for you I'm a wolf. Ditto.


You still have a few options to speculate upon for sure.

Let's see...

I am the ranger?
I would have cursed differently if I was.

I am an ordinary innocent?
Maybe, but this isn't exactly a game where ordos should pull that kind of fake-seer -stunts... or to get that agitated if they were just going to get into this interesting new thread. Not to talk of keeping up the deceit on this thread.


So you have basically two options: I'm either a cobbler or the seer as I say I am, and am.

I do wish you to contemplate the following for a moment before making your judgement.

I know I can't show you any proof of me being the seer other than what I have said already. And yes, I know a cobbler willing to pull a stunt could have done something along the lines I did - although it would have required quite a bold act and a lot of luck to hit it right with Agan on D1 (remember that to a cobbler her role would have been a shot in the dark). There was no way a cobbler could have guessed that - and the possibility of that being revealed would have meant instant doom for him. So a bit risky, even in this kind of a game.

And really, because I knew her to be Beren there was no way I would have said that aloud. I already complained to Rikae, that that N1 dream was the worst ever. I needed to put Agan up on as the only innocent on D1 in case there were competing seer-revelations later in the game, so I had to have something to show if it came to that on D6 or something.

And anyway, would a cobbler have gotten that involved and / or personally annoyed? Like the ordinary innocent, I think a cobbler would have actually loved to get in here - especially if there was a hope some people would have thought him the seer! That would have been perfect for a cobbler! So, no reason to sound bitter or be angry.

Which brings me to the last fact I think you should consider.

I really got agitated in the end of D2 seeing the general vote coming towards me as I just didn't understand where it came from (thinking of it now I can see my failing to pick up Agan's bluff could be one, but I do still think there were other forces behind that lynch of mine). As a seer that was the worst possible thing to happen. So I saw the village losing their seer way too early (combined with the fact that the wolves had picked you lovers already) and was frustrated.

I hope you Shasta can see in this light why I was so ****ed off when I met your sarcastic attitude of me being a baddie for certain in here then? After reading both threads now I can see where your distrust arose and I think we both were stupid not willing to listen to each other.

And I was a moron. But let's not discuss that anymore. I'm pretty ashamed of myself enough already.

I just hope you can see now what was the reason behind my flaming annoyance and agitation back there.

We should not let these hot feelings - already calmed on my side I must add - to destroy the game for the village.