Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-28-2011, 10:26 PM

It's going to be really funny after this game, because I'm going to quote you now (or paraphrase, anyway) -

"We shouldn't use people's emotional outbursts as signs of innocence - wolves have used them before!"

And I don't believe you're the seer for one second. Agan trapped you quite cleverly, I think. Given that you don't seem to care overmuch if we dream you down here, I'd say you're most likely a cobbler at this point, but we'll find out soon enough.

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-28-2011, 10:32 PM

To clarify - as an innocent, when Agan said "No, I'm Luthien", the correct response was something along the lines of "No, you're Beren/Rikae told me you were Beren/etc". Instead, you didn't even acknowledge her statement. It's pretty clear that you didn't have an answer prepared for that and couldn't think of one, so hoped no one would notice.

Nogrod · 01-28-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe you're the seer for one second. Agan trapped you quite cleverly, I think. Given that you don't seem to care overmuch if we dream you down here, I'd say you're most likely a cobbler at this point, but we'll find out soon enough.

See this post of mine from late D2. And think about the possibilities.

If I was a wolf or a cobbler I might have done some of the following ones as well, but if you think of it, I wouldn't have hang myself to these if I was not the seer...

So here's some what I put there for good and bad (I really feel bad now making the first ones)

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Originally Posted by me on the game thread late on D2

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Originally Posted by me on #107 D1

A short list of my feelings before the voting (short on explanations as I don't have time to write any longer analysis).

Innocent:
Aganzir - Good posting, innocent vibes, feels like she's trying to find the answers that are for the benefit of the village.

Innocentish:
the phantom - Generally makes good points a wolf might not wish to make, it's just that a few of them do not let me pick him into category above.
Anguirel - Seems getting the idea of our good and makes posts a wolf-Ang probably wouldn't.
Mith - For her comment on Legate (and for that familiar annoyance against anything I say... if she were a wolf she would be nicer to me ).

Could go either way:
Legate - Seems too happy to jump on some things I do disagree, but on the other hand hasn't said or done anything really suspicious.
Lommy - Basically seems to have the hang of it but has the air of avoiding things or, well, what some others have said, over-stating things. Smething says I should not trust her but on the other hand I find nothing clear-cut wrong.
Nerwen - Like someone said before: both clearly up to the situation but still mainly just bantering (was online only relatively early on the Day so that might be understandable).

Slightly worried:
Boro - the way he jumps on someone (yes, me) trying to turn the discussion on a more fruitful ground by saying it's "spinning things for my purposes" (so you should read they are bad) and after being questioned about that by some others, changing his point into me being a pessimist (which wasn't the point of my message) and thus suspicious? Odd, from him.

Of others I have not much to say. But will probably vote for one of them others.

Clearly separating Agan from others here but of course not saying she's a lover as that would have ben damming - and I felt bad afterwards making her this clearly innocent from others as I realisedc how terrible it would bre if the wolves realised I was the seer and thus I would have compromised the lovers. It's a minor comfort to me they picked the lover the other way around... but I do keep banging my head on he keabaorad for making that so evident in a game like this.

When it started looking bad and I needed to get to sleep, I felt I was forced to make this post (beginning of which is here:

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Originally Posted by me on #139 D1

As time here passes away, I need to sleep and can't fight back against this bad idea spreading. So just read what I've said and make wise choises.

Agan - even if I think her innocent - on the contrary makes hasty choices. It is a debatable point whether we should lynch the "quiet" or "under-radar types" here or not. I do think they are easier to find out about in Mandos than here as it will be obvious some of the more active ones will end up there anyway. But as I said, the merits are relative.

I still insisted Agan was innocent even if she ran for me, but the more important thing on this occasion is the bolded part.

Re-organise the words from the "AS TIME HERE" - it is easily turned into "I AM THE SEER".

An odd way to start a paragraph: "As time here passes away, I need to sleep" but normal enough that no one pays attention if not looking for it.

And to anyone willing to suspect my points, how could I have guessed Agan was innocent with that certitude and so unwilling to come more particular with it (telling I had the lover would have been a disaster!!!)? I did even say that I would not suspect her even if she was coming at me with full frontal attack toDay - before she decided to reveal her role.

I liked many of tp's points on D1 but something bugged me there, thus I dreamt of him last Night and found out he is a cobbler.

If the ranger helps me, I can take two more dreams in. I checked this. I can dream of anyone I wish when I'm alive when I fall asleep.

So I dream toNight being protected (hopefully), and if you will not lynch me on the next Day I can dream of a living person even if I get killed then the next Night. So moving to Mandos I'll have the dream of N4 and may be then continue the fight from there.

But surely if you're not willing to change your mind, or even honestly review it, then okay. Let's forget this thread then.

I mean I'm really tired to argue with stubborn people who don't read things ...

01-28-2011, 10:32 PM	#2
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	To clarify - as an innocent, when Agan said "No, I'm Luthien", the correct response was something along the lines of "No, you're Beren/Rikae told me you were Beren/etc". Instead, you didn't even acknowledge her statement. It's pretty clear that you didn't have an answer prepared for that and couldn't think of one, so hoped no one would notice. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

01-28-2011, 10:26 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	It's going to be really funny after this game, because I'm going to quote you now (or paraphrase, anyway) - "We shouldn't use people's emotional outbursts as signs of innocence - wolves have used them before!" And I don't believe you're the seer for one second. Agan trapped you quite cleverly, I think. Given that you don't seem to care overmuch if we dream you down here, I'd say you're most likely a cobbler at this point, but we'll find out soon enough. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV