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Urwen · 02-22-2011, 09:04 AM

I'm merely trying to discern truth from myths

Loslote · 02-22-2011, 12:37 PM

Lalaith wasn't even her real name. Her real name was Urwen. She was called Lalaith because of her laughter.

Manaical laughter, of course. She would have grown up to be an extremely good torturer if she had lived. Everyone soon learned to cringe and slink away whenever they heard the cackling that foretold the approach of Little Carcharoth.

Lalaith · 02-22-2011, 02:10 PM

Well. This is nice I must say. I turn my back on the downs for what, a couple of months, and this is what I find on my return.

Ironically, of course, you haven't even scraped the surface.

Mithalwen · 02-22-2011, 04:10 PM

Frankly my dear, they wouldn't know where to begin... and if they did it would make their hair curl....

Pitchwife · 02-22-2011, 04:53 PM

Let's not forget she won WW LXIII all on her own as last wolf standing. Unforgivable!

Galadriel55 · 02-22-2011, 06:26 PM

After a bit of a break, I'm back with more Lalaith arguments...

Why do you think Turin had so little friends? It's not because he had a bad temper (who made up that ridiculous rumor?!). It's because of his little monsterous sister. Stories of her "playing" spread far and wide, casting a shadow over Turin's name. Everyone was afraid of Lalaith, and that's where all Turin's troubles came from.

We all know that Hurin wasn't welcomed in Dor-lomin after his return from Angband, but hardly anyone knows the real reason. When he was "lord of Dor-lomin" and all that, people were too afraid to speak ill of his daughter or him. Now that he didn't have all the fancy titles behind him, they could tell him the truth about Little Carcharoth to his face.

People gave Morwen the name Eledhwen for the light that shone in her eyes. What the light really was, though, was the reflection of the sunlight on the tears that never left her eyes. She and Hurin had to give away so much money just to keep the "Little Carcharoth" business quiet that they could hardly make ends meet. Morwen weeped for how much their daughter deprived them of.

Urwen · 02-23-2011, 01:55 AM

Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off

Meanwhille, Thingol had shady negotiations with Haleth & Nellas. He made a deal that if they killed him, he would have fun with them in Mandos. You really think dwarves killed him? No, it was Nellas and Haleth with her people, disguised as dwarves. Hurin, of course, participated, as dwarf named Ibanzil (which means 'leader').

Turgon disliked dwarves, and Maeglin disliked mortal men. Yet, they harboured Tuor, along with his little 'sister'. But his 'sister' was, in fact, his cousin. He of course, renamed Lalaith, for purpose of saving Idril. He renamed her after Idril's mother.

Hurin, after killing Thingol, and after Melian left, Hurin threw himself in the sea.

As for Lalaith, she personally threw Maeglin off the cliff. People confused her with Tuor because they're cousins. Real Tuor, along with Idril and many others, already escaped. After washing her hands, Lalaith went after them and joined them at havens of Sirion.

And everybody (except Hurin and Maeglin) lived happily.

02-22-2011, 09:04 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I'm merely trying to discern truth from myths __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

02-22-2011, 12:37 PM	#2
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Lalaith wasn't even her real name. Her real name was Urwen. She was called Lalaith because of her laughter. Manaical laughter, of course. She would have grown up to be an extremely good torturer if she had lived. Everyone soon learned to cringe and slink away whenever they heard the cackling that foretold the approach of Little Carcharoth. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

02-22-2011, 02:10 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Well. This is nice I must say. I turn my back on the downs for what, a couple of months, and this is what I find on my return. Ironically, of course, you haven't even scraped the surface. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

02-22-2011, 04:10 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Frankly my dear, they wouldn't know where to begin... and if they did it would make their hair curl.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-22-2011, 04:53 PM	#5
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Let's not forget she won WW LXIII all on her own as last wolf standing. Unforgivable! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-22-2011, 06:26 PM	#6
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,521	After a bit of a break, I'm back with more Lalaith arguments... Why do you think Turin had so little friends? It's not because he had a bad temper (who made up that ridiculous rumor?!). It's because of his little monsterous sister. Stories of her "playing" spread far and wide, casting a shadow over Turin's name. Everyone was afraid of Lalaith, and that's where all Turin's troubles came from. We all know that Hurin wasn't welcomed in Dor-lomin after his return from Angband, but hardly anyone knows the real reason. When he was "lord of Dor-lomin" and all that, people were too afraid to speak ill of his daughter or him. Now that he didn't have all the fancy titles behind him, they could tell him the truth about Little Carcharoth to his face. People gave Morwen the name Eledhwen for the light that shone in her eyes. What the light really was, though, was the reflection of the sunlight on the tears that never left her eyes. She and Hurin had to give away so much money just to keep the "Little Carcharoth" business quiet that they could hardly make ends meet. Morwen weeped for how much their daughter deprived them of. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

02-23-2011, 01:55 AM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off Meanwhille, Thingol had shady negotiations with Haleth & Nellas. He made a deal that if they killed him, he would have fun with them in Mandos. You really think dwarves killed him? No, it was Nellas and Haleth with her people, disguised as dwarves. Hurin, of course, participated, as dwarf named Ibanzil (which means 'leader'). Turgon disliked dwarves, and Maeglin disliked mortal men. Yet, they harboured Tuor, along with his little 'sister'. But his 'sister' was, in fact, his cousin. He of course, renamed Lalaith, for purpose of saving Idril. He renamed her after Idril's mother. Hurin, after killing Thingol, and after Melian left, Hurin threw himself in the sea. As for Lalaith, she personally threw Maeglin off the cliff. People confused her with Tuor because they're cousins. Real Tuor, along with Idril and many others, already escaped. After washing her hands, Lalaith went after them and joined them at havens of Sirion. And everybody (except Hurin and Maeglin) lived happily. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

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