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Old 02-22-2011, 06:26 PM   #1
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After a bit of a break, I'm back with more Lalaith arguments...

Why do you think Turin had so little friends? It's not because he had a bad temper (who made up that ridiculous rumor?!). It's because of his little monsterous sister. Stories of her "playing" spread far and wide, casting a shadow over Turin's name. Everyone was afraid of Lalaith, and that's where all Turin's troubles came from.

We all know that Hurin wasn't welcomed in Dor-lomin after his return from Angband, but hardly anyone knows the real reason. When he was "lord of Dor-lomin" and all that, people were too afraid to speak ill of his daughter or him. Now that he didn't have all the fancy titles behind him, they could tell him the truth about Little Carcharoth to his face.

People gave Morwen the name Eledhwen for the light that shone in her eyes. What the light really was, though, was the reflection of the sunlight on the tears that never left her eyes. She and Hurin had to give away so much money just to keep the "Little Carcharoth" business quiet that they could hardly make ends meet. Morwen weeped for how much their daughter deprived them of.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:55 AM   #2
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Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off

Meanwhille, Thingol had shady negotiations with Haleth & Nellas. He made a deal that if they killed him, he would have fun with them in Mandos. You really think dwarves killed him? No, it was Nellas and Haleth with her people, disguised as dwarves. Hurin, of course, participated, as dwarf named Ibanzil (which means 'leader').

Turgon disliked dwarves, and Maeglin disliked mortal men. Yet, they harboured Tuor, along with his little 'sister'. But his 'sister' was, in fact, his cousin. He of course, renamed Lalaith, for purpose of saving Idril. He renamed her after Idril's mother.

Hurin, after killing Thingol, and after Melian left, Hurin threw himself in the sea.

As for Lalaith, she personally threw Maeglin off the cliff. People confused her with Tuor because they're cousins. Real Tuor, along with Idril and many others, already escaped. After washing her hands, Lalaith went after them and joined them at havens of Sirion.

And everybody (except Hurin and Maeglin) lived happily.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:48 AM   #3
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Why do you think Turin had so little friends? It's not because he had a bad temper (who made up that ridiculous rumor?!). It's because of his little monsterous sister. Stories of her "playing" spread far and wide, casting a shadow over Turin's name. Everyone was afraid of Lalaith, and that's where all Turin's troubles came from.
Indeed. Where else did Saeros get his notions about the wild women of Hithlum? Túrin reacted so violently to his taunts because they hit home.

But that pales in comparison to the effect the tales of "Little Carcharoth" had on the once-proud realm of Nargothrond:

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So great a fear did Lalaith set in their hearts that never after until the time of Túrin would any Elf of that realm go into open battle; but with stealth and ambush, with wizardry and venomed dart, they pursued all strangers, forgetting the bonds of kinship. Thus they fell from the valour and freedom of the Elves of old, and their land was darkened.
(Note: certain versions of the text ascribe this sorry state of affairs to Curufin rather than Lalaith; these are all either corrupt, or forgeries put about by fanatical Lalaithists.)

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Stuff about Lalaith.
Sorry, Urwen, still the wrong thread.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:58 AM   #4
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No, it isn't. You intentionally skipped this quote:

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Old 02-23-2011, 05:33 AM   #5
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Clearly another of those corrupt versions I was talking about.
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Old 02-23-2011, 06:02 AM   #6
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Nonsense. Lalaith wasn't even born at the time. All misfortune of Nargothrond was caused by very rare creature and the one who slew it. You see, a unicorn lived in forest near Nargothrond. One day, Celegorm went out hunting and slew it. Thus, misfortune came upon Nargothrond and Celegorm was banished cos of that. After that, Celegorm had only one goal in mind: to find Aredhel and escape back to west with her. To his woe, when he arrived in Gondolin, Aredhel was dead. Driven by longing and weariness, he forsook jis oath and went crawling to Melkor, begging him to bring Aredhel back to life. Melkor agreed, but under one condition: Celegorm had to kill Dior and bring the lost Silmaril back to Morgoth. In desperation, Celegorm consented. Once Aredhel lived, Celegorm hid her in secret and safe place. He rallied his brothers, under excuse of fulfilling the oath, to kill Dior. Once Celegorm had the Silmaril, he walked away. He and Aredhel were never seen in Middle Earth again.

Rumours say that they lived and still live in blessed land. Maeglin and their unnamed daughter live with them under mercy of Valar.
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Old 02-23-2011, 06:22 AM   #7
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Urwen, this is about Lalaith, not Celegorm's love interest.

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Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off.
They suffered? Bah! Morwen was the only one who stopped pretending at that point! But Hurin thought a great deal of what's "proper", that's why he tried to make a song. Why couldn't he make it? Didn't have enough words? But he knew that music can express what words can. So why did he throw away his harp? Because his "lament" turned to a song of celebration way too many times.

And why did he curse Morgoth? For giving him such a daughter, not for taking her away. He didn't do this before, because he was afraid Lalaith would find out and play an extra trick on him.
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But don't forget Nienor. Morwen named her 'mourning'

Why do you think she named her so? Hum hum

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Why do you think she named her so? Hum hum
Well, duh, because it was the exact opposite of "Lalaith"!

You see? She wasn't taking any chances...
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No, she name her thus because she mourned for Lalaith;;;;;;
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No, she name her thus because she mourned for Lalaith;;;;;;
Nope. What an absurd idea! Why in Middle-earth would anyone mourn for Lalaith?!
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