Itaril

[xMellrynxMaidenx]

Originally Posted by tylerfh

EXACTLY!!! When I read the casting call about Itaril falling in love with a young elf-lord, all I could picture was the screaming adolescent Twilight fangirls. *puts finger down throat*

If they reduce a part of the GREATEST FANTASY CANON EVER WRITTEN to that level, I'm sending some people to see ol' Mandos. If it's absolutely necessary to have a romance in the movies, cheat on the chronology a little and put in how Arwen and Aragorn met. Anything would be better...And if they're looking for side-plot material, there's plenty of stuff to fill up space: Smaug's attack on the dwarves, the dwarves' war with the goblins, the White Council, Sauron in Dol-Guldur, Gollum's capture by Gandalf afterwards...I could go on.

I've created a page on Facebook, and maybe if enough people join it will send a message to PJ and company:
www.facebook.com/Hobbit.Fans.Against.Itaril
everyone join if you want Itaril cut out!

After watching the latest Hobbitin5 video, they are adding in the bit with the White Council, which should be interesting to see.

My views on Itaril are neutral now. I mean, as long as PJ doesn't twist and mangle the main plot-line violently, tossing her in doesn't bother me as much as it did before. As of yet, I don't think Orlie will be in the movie (which we all know he's the young elf-lord, who else? Then again, it could be one of the twin sons...you never know, PJ would do it), so I don't think it will focus too much on that. Bard the Bowman is too much of a main character to give his role away to someone else (IE Glorfindel's role was given to Arwen in the movies, in which PJ did that simply for the romance of Arwen and Aragorn*). Concerning Glorfindel's role, WE know as fans of the book-verse that his role is important, but the main thing I think PJ saw was that it was small.

If memory serves me correct, Glorfindel at the request of Lord Elrond, rode out to help Frodo reach Rivendell (I've not made it far after this in re-reading the series, so if I'm wrong someone please re-freshen my memory). A role as small as that (no matter the importance of the person) can be given away to another character. I'm not saying it was okay and that it should have been given away, because personally I don't understand PJ casting someone as Glorfindel in the movies and NOT giving that person their rightful role in the first place. The main reason, no doubt, was for the romance. Bard the Bowman, however, plays a bigger role in the Hobbit.


At least someone was brave enough to bring this wonderful world alive for us; it's definitely not easy. Sure, they could be a bit more correct with certain scenes, but the thing that counts is that at least WE know what really happened.

* My assumption

Edit: I'm uncertain, after re-reading my post, that the twin sons possibly wasn't even born at the time (though I think they may have been, the Hobbit began 55 -?- years before the Lord of the Rings and the Twin Sons were born in 130 TA)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

At least someone was brave enough to bring this wonderful world alive for us; it's definitely not easy. Sure, they could be a bit more correct with certain scenes, but the thing that counts is that at least WE know what really happened.

Personally, I can do without PJ, or anyone else bringing Tolkien's work "alive". It isn't necessary.

If they're looking for a fairy-tale angle though, why does it have to be a well-known English-based one? I vote for some tie-in to this tale. Then the Battle of Five Armies can be won by a living tree-stump baby eating the Orcs. Here's a thought: that could replace Beorn!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mellryn

A role as small as that (no matter the importance of the person) can be given away to another character.

I understand that it would be very confusing for someone to watch a movie where there are dozens of different characters and all have different importat but small roles. However, PJ is such a hypocrite - he takes away roles from LOTR, but adds them to TH!

[Elfchick7]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

Bard the Bowman is too much of a main character to give his role away to someone else (IE Glorfindel's role was given to Arwen in the movies, in which PJ did that simply for the romance of Arwen and Aragorn*).

What is the official fate of dear Bard? Anyone know? Onering.net Lists him as "not yet cast" Have any of y'all heard the official word on that?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Elfchick7

What is the official fate of dear Bard? Anyone know? Onering.net Lists him as "not yet cast" Have any of y'all heard the official word on that?

Who needs Bard when you have Legolas?

[Mithalwen]

TO be fair Bard isn't actually needed til the second film. I wonder if they are dithering about this Itaril character - I haven't seen many people really positive about it even among the PJ acolytes. Also I think I saw Ronan had a lead role that might clash. Here's hoping.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I wonder if they are dithering about this Itaril character - I haven't seen many people really positive about it even among the PJ acolytes.

Well enough is enough, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Also I think I saw Ronan had a lead role that might clash. Here's hoping.

Call me pesimist if you like, but if she won't be abe to do it, PJ will find someone else who will.

[Mithalwen]

Enough was enough for me a long time ago...

[Elfchick7]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Enough was enough for me a long time ago...

I was ready to say the same, but then I saw this and I'm afraid I'm about to be sucked back in...

[narfforc]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

Edit: I'm uncertain, after re-reading my post, that the twin sons possibly wasn't even born at the time (though I think they may have been, the Hobbit began 55 -?- years before the Lord of the Rings and the Twin Sons were born in 130 TA)

The main events of The Lord of the Rings occured during the the years 3018/19 TA, so they would be some thousands of years old.