The Valley Forge - WW LXXXVII - Admin Thread

[Eruhen]

This was certainly a great game. My only beef is that I wish I had had more time to play. That's what I get for driving from Pennsylvania to Tennessee and back again in three days...

Oh, well. On the next game!

[Galadriel55]

Gifteds, will you now reveal your supersecret superhuman abilities?

My favourite bits:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Sorry, but you know how I have this obession with killing your RPG characters? Well, this is the next best thing.

Sure. Um, yeah. It will become my goal in life to lynch you. So it's mutual.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Wow. They're dropping like flies.

Dwarves don't have the right build to drop like flies. They drop like oliphaunts.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I find it curious that both G55 and Rikae voted for Pitch yesterDay, even though G55 later retracted and went kamikaze.

Ok, I know I'm totally crazy, but for a second I thought you're a wolf. Reason? Simple. Nerwen used that same phrase in one of the PMs.



And for any of you who are wondering, my first PM on N2 looked something like:

Pitchwife!!! What the * were you * doing?! *^#*@&)%_+$%^*&)(&@#*&%(*&&@#*&(#*&)*#($#(*$)%^!#( $*

Since I was more angry at him for foiling me and Bom's perfect Phantom-wagon than for being the KD.

[Inziladun]

I just posted on the game thread. Are we supposed to do it here?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I just posted on the game thread. Are we supposed to do it here?

I don't know. It's mighty difficult discussing the same thing over two threads. TP started it here, so let's blame it on him.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't know. It's mighty difficult discussing the same thing over two threads. TP started it here, so let's blame it on him.

I'll ask again here, then. Was Rikae's death meant to frame Pitch?

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't know. It's mighty difficult discussing the same thing over two threads. TP started it here, so let's blame it on him.

I like that idea. I think that it'd be fine to blame a majority of things on TP.

The game didn't go exactly as I imagined it. I'd like to offer the Forgers a special apology, as the deck was obviously stacked against them. So sorry.

[Inziladun]

I think that's the best I've ever done as an ordo.

Thanks for the game, Foley! It was short, but well worth the wait.

Well done, village! And nice job, Pitch! I was not all that confident he was the KD (at least not til the end), but I got a trustworthy vibe off him from the start of the game.

ToDay, I just couldn't buy Nerwen's arguments, especially in light of the fact that she'd given G55 a pass in favour of McCaber.

Good effort Forgers, you were in a tough predicament with a traitor in your midst.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I like that idea. I think that it'd be fine to blame a majority of things on TP.

With your permission, o moddess,

++PHANTOM

Since he's responsible for deforastation, global warming, Al-Qaeda, ozone holes, the fall of the Roman empire, H1N1, as well as all the disappearances that occured in the Bermuda Triangle. And much more.

[Eruhen]

Every time Phantom posts, God kills a kitten.

Please. Think of the kittens!

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Folwren

The game didn't go exactly as I imagined it. I'd like to offer the Forgers a special apology, as the deck was obviously stacked against them. So sorry.

I think that's a risk of experimental games - Nerwen is right, Pitch was pretty much invincible, but I know you didn't intend it that way. Hey, at least I got to send in a night-kill pick of myself, which is kind of cool.

I suppose (if anyone wants to try this again) not having the SH as well as not revealing the traitor's role on death would help balance things. At any rate, I'd like to point out that although the village won, Pitch didn't, and considering that he didn't exactly abide by the spirit of the rules I'm rather proud of helping to ensure that. No hard feelings, Pitch, but you know it's true.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I think that's a risk of experimental games - Nerwen is right, Pitch was pretty much invincible, but I know you didn't intend it that way. Hey, at least I got to send in a night-kill pick of myself, which is kind of cool.

I suppose (if anyone wants to try this again) not having the SH as well as not revealing the traitor's role on death would help balance things.

Or letting the KD ask for protection for himself, or making survival his personal winning condition, or having an extra evil role outside the pack whose identity he wouldn't know– perhaps a cobbler of some description... yes, there are a lot of ways this could be fixed. Or perhaps having an alternative way of enforcing the rules– as a general thing, I'm thinking that a way of dealing with the multiple-role super-gifteds that tend to crop up in experimental games would be secretly to remove some of their powers.

As I said already, I think the problem was that nobody, including the moddess, saw the full implications of the way the roles worked until it was too late.

Originally Posted by Pitch

At any rate, I'd like to point out that although the village won, Pitch didn't, and considering that he didn't exactly abide by the spirit of the rules I'm rather proud of helping to ensure that. No hard feelings, Pitch, but you know it's true.

What annoys me most is that, even as the game was meant to function, the rules tended to favour the village anyway– and that for some reason this wasn't *good* enough for Pitch and phantom. Not only that, but simple chance had already been on Pitch's side: because Rikae forgot the game had started, and my computer had broken down, he got to be the only experienced player around on Night One– so there was was no strategy talk and no advice on surviving for the wolf-cubs. Now, obviously, that's just something that happened– but my point is that it's one thing to push the boundaries when the situation is heavily against you, quite another when everything is going your way anyway. Finally, if everything is going your way, and you do choose to push the boundaries, I think it behoves you to show some humility about it. I'm serious, Pitch– I'm really not happy about all that dripping sarcasm towards us on Day Two. It wasn't like you were a real Seer who had earned your knowledge through dream-choices– you'd just been handed it. That's nothing to gloat about.

[Pitchwife]

I've already apologized to Foley for messing up her game like that, but here's to the Forge: you played a great game, and I do feel rather rotten for the way I handled my role. Nerwen, I hope you'll be able to forgive me eventually.

Originally Posted by Rikae

At any rate, I'd like to point out that although the village won, Pitch didn't, and considering that he didn't exactly abide by the spirit of the rules I'm rather proud of helping to ensure that. No hard feelings, Pitch, but you know it's true.

No hard feelings at all - that's why I said I was OK with a double lynch on D3. My Role PM said I had to survive in order to win, and I didn't feel I'd deserved that.

Things would probably have gone differently if Foley had picked a player with a bit more nerves to be the KD. Truth to be told, my first reaction to reading my Role PM was to scream "I hate you!" (Not really, Foley.) I expected the Forge would see through me and off me after about two Days or so at the latest.

Night 1 began, and there was no PMing at all among the Forge except G55 wondering why everybody was so quiet and Bom apologizing that he'd forgotten shortly before the Day started. Not knowing the true reason for this silence, I got paranoid that Nerwen and Rikae were waiting for the KD to give himself away by being too eager to talk (à la the "first three posters" meme) and started wondering whether part of the Forge were conspiring in secret. Crazy, yes, but knowing you have something to hide can do strange things to the mind.

Then it turned out that Rikae had plain forgotten too, and I went into D1 relieved and ready to lie low and play by ear. Along comes tp and his plan of infamous genius, causing me to make that priceless slip about the KD's winning condition in my first post which I'm sure some of the Forge must have noticed, especially as tp was so kind to point it out in his reply for all to see, and I thought "Crap, they'll have my number now, I'm dead". Then I remembered that I could get the Watchdwarf to protect me and figured out that they wouldn't be able to kill me without painting the Forge brand on their own doors, and the rest is history.

The Night after Bom's lynch, I initially tried to pretend I had suspected him to be the KD, but of course they were too clever to buy that. That Night, the rules were changed so that the KD wouldn't be revealed at death, and the Forge cut me off from PMs (both with my consent) in an attempt to restore some balance to the game. Unfortunately, that turned out not be enough.

As to the question of hints and revealing, I find picking up hints rather difficult myself, so I had a hard time estimating how obvious or cryptic I was being in the eyes of the ordos. I was confident that phantom had guessed me early on D1, and I did of course notice the spreading trust in me during D2, but I'm not sure whether e.g. Mith really had no idea what was going on at the end of the Day or just pretended for the sake of fairness (I suspect the latter, though).

By the way, did nobody ever consider that I could be the Sweetheart acting as a mouthpiece for the real KD while he was lying low? (The outcome would have been the same, of course.)

The Forge's attempt to frame me as a faker by having Rikae accuse me and then killing her at Night was a stroke of genius, and honestly, I fully expected it would succeed and I would find myself lynched on D3, especially after phantom's 'joke vote' at DL D3 - I had no way of knowing whether you were serious, phantom, and there was a chance you'd go Zeus on me and help the Forgers lynch me for the sake of balance.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Finally, if everything is going your way, and you do choose to push the boundaries, I think it behoves you to show some humility about it. I'm serious, Pitch– I'm really not happy about all that dripping sarcasm towards us on Day Two. It wasn't like you were a real Seer who had earned your knowledge through dream-choices– you'd just been handed it. That's nothing to gloat about.

I concede. I let the pure elation of knowing and being trusted (both which doesn't happen to me all that often in WW) carry me away there in a way which must have been rather unsufferabe. You played admirably, and I'm sorry for offending you.

Originally Posted by Finduilas

I was the Sweet Heart. I felt so horrible proposing the idea of the double lynching, but I thought it better than just killing Pitch, which is where it seemed to be going. I hope he forgives the compromising actions of his SH.

No problem at all, Sweetie, that was a good move. But I'm curious why we never got to talk - didn't you guess me, or did you decide to let me stew in my own juice?