TIG XCIII - Betrayal at Henneth Annûn (Game thread)

[A Little Green]

I am not intending to spend toDay concentrating on Agan, I think that would be stupid. I talked about her because I wanted to comment on Rune's point and in the second post because she left me stuff I felt I needed to address before moving on to other subjects. Which, incidentally, is what I intend to do now. I'd like a look at a few less discussed players, probably starting with Glirdy and checking some others too if I have the time. Also, I think a proper look at the voting yesterDay might give us something.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK New Plan. . . I am in charge.

I do apologise if I have made a miscalculation and doomed us all.

Anyways the plan is this.

We do not lynch

Me
Boromir
Pommy
Greeny

why? You ask.

Because we are the good guys.

That leaves us with

Aganzir
Glirdan
Inziladun
Loslote

Even if we get everything wrong, we should be able to kill the BN before we are equal numbers.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Also I can prove that I speak the truth... as I know who Mablung is, who in turn can give us another innocent name.

[A Little Green]

That simplifies things. Rune is telling the truth. Shasta, whom he had forgotten from his list, is Damrod.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

That simplifies things. Rune is telling the truth. Shasta, whom he had forgotten from his list, is Damrod.

Sorry he got deleted when I was doing the calculation (for the sixth time).

[A Little Green]

I had a quick look at Glirdan. The following does not include all his posts, nor are the quotes below necessarily full posts. I only included stuff I judged to be potentially of some importance. Here goes -

GLIRDAN, DAY 1

He starts the Day with banter like everybody else. His next post begins with an apology for not posting more. First actual game-related comment is as follows:

Now, I am not sure what to think concerning Agan and Boro. When I re-read Agan's first post after Boro voiced his initial concer of her, I found nothing overly suspicious in it myself. Actually, being the first to start any real form of discussion, I'd rather like to believe the opposite of Agan. However, with Boro gone for the Day, I would rather leave this and let it settle, at least for toDay, to let him gather his thoughts and deal with whatever happened. (and Boro, take the time you need my friend to deal with whatever happened).

Now, we're in a pickle as one of our most vocal players is out of commission for the time being and there are far too many of us flying under the radar, myself included.

Very diplomatic. Could fault him with that, but I'm willing to give some early Day 1 -allowance here.

Glirdy didn't vote, and explained it, I believe, in the admin thread. Moving on -

DAY 2

Starts his Day with speculating on Nog's death.

I dont know about that one. I'm more inclined to agree with Boro. I mean, with the exception of Nate, we all know how dangerous an innocent/gifted Noggy is to the Wolves. Its already been said: why him? Well, it was a pretty traceless kill for them. Yet the same could be said had it been myself, or Shasta or any of the other quiet ones. I feel a nervous pack would have been a little more hesitant in their kill selection which also leads me to believe that the Wolves want us to think this way. For all we know, either you yourself dear sallycake or Boro or maybe even both could have been the ones planning this during the night to help steer the conversation in the direction you so choose.

Shasta raised doubts about this one, and it's true he kind of suspects Boro based on Boro's own theory here. Not sure if that points to innocence or guilt, though! Also, I don't like the "for all we know" part, can't explain it really, but it gives me bad vibes.

Now, I hate picking on Newbies....yet something about Nate's first post toDay does not sit well. I'm not sure what it is....maybe it's her wording....maybe it's the over sincerity of having forgotten to vote yesterDay.

The beginning looks a bit insincere, but it might be just that I have a general dislike for whatever precedes a "but" or, in this case, "yet".

Anyways, in my reading I noticed something. Lottie seems very....wish washy I think is the term I am looking for. This could just be me and my tendency of suspecting Lottie.

What's really bothering me is how easily swayed she is by others and its things like that that make me leery. Trying to appease everyone is a tactic seen and used many times before by wolves, or BN's in our case. Now, I will give her credit for sticking to her guns and voting for G55 anyways. Yet she was a part of the reason we lost our Guardian, and if I'm correct, the leading cause. Now, it's quite possible that Lottie is simply a misled innocent and I wouldn't mind hearing a little more from her myself.

Not overly fond of this, either - regardless of that I agree with his point about Lottie's wishy-washiness. The same thing about "buts" and "yets" as in the previous quote. He brings up a rather strong point against Lottie, then counters it with "Now--", then brings up another strongly phrased point against her, then counters that with "Now--". I'd understand that if it was that his overall opinion of Lottie was accordingly undecided. However, the way I read this post, he is clearly more suspicious of her than not. The same post ends with

However, there are others who voted for G55 who need to be looked at it....or in Shasta's case, need to be heard from.

I feel like I'm getting paranoid because this doesn't sit right with me either, it looks opportunistic, but this time I'm pretty sure I'm just seeing things that aren't there.

Lottie defends herself from Glirdy's points, to which he answers as follows:

I wasn't too comfortable with that term [wishy-washiness] myself. And as I said at the end of the post, I give you credit for sticking to G55 and voting for her regardless, or did you miss that bit? I'm still leery about you. However, Zil also brought up an excellent point in your defense: you had though you voted first. Voting first an sticking to your guns as much as you had is way too bold a move for a Wolf, especially this early in the game. Yet you're not entirely off my radar.

It's actually funny, he suspected Lottie for hastily backing off her suspicion when questioned, then proceeds to do more or less the same thing. I'm not sure a BN would do this.

1) Nowhere did I say I believed him innocent. If anything, I have less trust for Boro in these games then I have for you.

2) I agreed with him in thinking this pack is confident and bold. Which is Boro in a nutshell. We would be crazy to fully trust him. And yet, I did not outwardly say that I suspect him. I was pointing out a fact: Boro likes to steer conversations to his own benefit, much like tp, only with less ego. Noggins death on Night 2 is sure to be a conversation starter for numerous reasons, and one that a BN Boro could start and steer in any direction he chooses.

3) I also mentioned Sally in that post, or did you miss that?

My head starts to hurt every time I try to decide what to think about this whole thing. If anyone has any insight into it, be my guest. Then again, I'm not sure whether it's relevant.

In the same post, Glirdan comments on the more general discussion on whether analyzing the Night-kill is important (saying that he thinks it is). He then analyzes Gal and the Galwagon; not going to quote the whole analysis, but here's the ending:

Overall Thoughts

- Lottie seems the least suspicious of he four who voted, having had her suspicions from early on in he Day
- Zil is really starting to stand out to me, having had no real suspicion of her before. His explanation is also rather interesting, what with the "I will not throw away my vote" tactic.
- Rune and Bom's votes for each other caught my eye. Something about it bothers me, what, Im not sure.
- Agan and Shasta bear some watching, but both had reasonable an sound reasons for voting G55
- Sally's vote for Bom also has me concerned. It almost looks like a last minute attempt to save G55

The next post is here quoted in full:

An hour left and two votes cast for Agan, who I am in extreme reluctance to vote for. Her whole tone seems legitimately genuine, especially with her last few posts...on the other hand, that's what a BN Agan would want us to think.

I, like Nate am more inclined to vote for Zil or Sally. Zil's vote at the end of the Day yesterDay just does not sit well. It almost seed strategic in it's placement, securing the death of our Anborn. He gave no reasosns of his own and just sort of latched onto what was previously stated by Agan, Lottie and Shasta. Why not stick to your gut instincts and vote for someone you had really wanted to, even I it had been a "throw away".

Sally's vote also does not sit well. Again, well enough placed to draw attention away from G55. Her submarining is also a growing anxiousness of mine. Yet i've seen sallycakes do this as a Gifted as well, which is why I'm more hesitant to vote for her.

Thinks Agan is innocent, suspects Inzil and Sally. The suspects are easy choices for a wolf, sensible for an innocent, so I'm undecided about those.

Votes Inzil:

++Zil

His vote placement and his agreeing with everything everyone says and his lack of having any true substance that is his own.

I agree about Inzil's vote placement, as well as his contributions to the Galwagon. The rest, though - I believe Inzil is always suspected for slipping by unnoticed and lacking substance because of the way he posts, concentrating more on commenting than eg. crafting theories.

Overall? Glirdy has been more flip-floppy than I recalled, he's certainly been cautious, and the tone of some things he's said strikes me as false; on the other hand, his flip-flop on Lottie looks a bit too complete for a BN. (I, at least, often take pains to appear consistent in my suspicions when a wolf; it's harder to come up with sudden changes of mind than continuous suspicion.)


EDIT: oh dear, x-ed with a host! All the way since my last, I think.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I'm here, did a quick skim through of what's been said. And as much as I would love to defend myself against Shasta and others, I simply don't have the time nor the energy to do so. I'll be back soon after I've done a more thorough read through of the Day.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

Greenie, I hate you. So much that I want to hug you. Why why why do we always do this?

Because we're us, darling. It's a tango of another kind, I'd say. Also, I don't think you need this, but I can't resist quoting you back to yourself:

However, I can freely admit I am an extremely subjective player and few things, apart from a revelation of sorts and in all likelihood not even that, could now convince me of his innocence.

Originally Posted by Shasta

*gives Mablung a hug and wanders off*

*gives Damrod a hug*

Honestly, though, I x-post with two people hugging me? <3

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

OK New Plan. . . I am in charge.

I do apologise if I have made a miscalculation and doomed us all.

Anyways the plan is this.

We do not lynch

Me
Boromir
Pommy
Greeny

why? You ask.

Because we are the good guys.

That leaves us with

Aganzir
Glirdan
Inziladun
Loslote

Even if we get everything wrong, we should be able to kill the BN before we are equal numbers.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Also I can prove that I speak the truth... as I know who Mablung is, who in turn can give us another innocent name.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

That simplifies things. Rune is telling the truth. Shasta, whom he had forgotten from his list, is Damrod.

Ah. Easy way to test this , isn't there?

x/d with Agan

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ah. Easy way to test this , isn't there?

x/d with Agan

Wait for Shasta to confirm it? Yes that is rather easy.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Wait for Shasta to confirm it? Yes that is rather easy.

Oh, don't y'all wait up on my account. [/Southern]

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ah. Easy way to test this , isn't there?

Lying would require guessing Mablung's identity correctly. There can't be three people lying.

And Inzil, if you are a wolf, I'm going to send you explosives in a nice white envelope (unless I can think of something more imaginative). I sincerely hope it's Glirdan and Lottie.