Meeting at the Town Cobbler (WW XCV game thread)

[A Little Green]

Agh, I'm still somewhat confused by all the twists, so don't mind me if I'm incoherent! Wilwa brings up a good point about the Seer, makes me feel better about her (I don't think a wolf would dare bring that up, just in case the Seer had not figured that out him/herself). Other than that, I agree with Inzil that the PMs are tricky for innocents. Though I bet they are that to the wolves too, for I guess trying to fool somebody in a private message is a deal harder than in the thread.

[wilwarin538]

I think the messaging thing will get more useful the further we get, once people have better opinions about people and once more has happened.

Where is everyone? I have to leave in less than 2 hours...

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Wilwa brings up a good point about the Seer, makes me feel better about her (I don't think a wolf would dare bring that up, just in case the Seer had not figured that out him/herself).

A wolf could still have brought that up hoping to make a false seer claim down the line.

Not that right now I think Wilwa's a wolf, but she isn't automatically innocent.

If more people don't start showing up, I might need to pick a name of a quiet one from a hat.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

A wolf could still have brought that up hoping to make a false seer claim down the line.

Not that right now I think Wilwa's a wolf, but she isn't automatically innocent.

I agree. And who's to say the person contacted by the "Seer" should trust xe is being honest? There's just no way to know who's being honest.

Originally Posted by McCaber

If more people don't start showing up, I might need to pick a name of a quiet one from a hat.

As unwelcome as that idea is, I may be forced into it as well. I haven't seen anything voteworthy from those who have actually spoken thus far. Then again, we could vote no one and not have a death toDay.

On an RL note, I fear our moddess could be in for some rough weather in her corner of the world today and tonight. Stay safe, Sally!

[Boromir88]

Inconceivable! The entire bag!? *mutters* of course I really know what that word means

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Then again, we could vote no one and not have a death toDay.

Considering how small the group is I could be persuaded to do that. There's what, 11 people? 3 wolves, 3 gifteds, 5 ordos, high chance of hitting an innocent, especially with so little information to go on. I hate voting people on random, especially if some people might just be busy in RL or not have realized we started. Waiting one day I don't think will put us at much of a disadvantage...

But then we would of course be losing a chance to get a wolf, which we could still get lucky enough to do. I don't know, I hate just picking someone out of a hat with nothing to go on.

I have another half hour before I need to go to work. So when I get back I'll vote or if people think we should forgo a lynch today than I will support that too.

edit: x'ed with Boro aka Vizzini

[Eönwë]

Wow, it's quiet here.
On the Night-messaging, I don't think there's that much to say other than that it will become useful later in the game. A question to Our Moddess: What are the rules on talking about the secret correspondances? I mean, it could affect the game alot.

And remind me to never go against a Boro when death is on the line.

edit: x-ed with Mac

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Wow, it's quiet here.
On the Night-messaging, I don't think there's that much to say other than that it will become useful later in the game. A question to Our Moddess: What are the rules on talking about the secret correspondances? I mean, it could affect the game alot.

From the admin thread:

Originally Posted by The Rules

You may not re-post "text messages" from any source.

You can allude to such things, but you may not re-post any private conversation, whether it be in full or in part. People shouldn't be peeking over your shoulder at your phone. I think it's rather rude, really.

[satansaloser2005]

This game's mechanics function like any other game, with the exception of the additions of "text-messaging" (PMs between players) and overhearing the conversation upstairs (which only gives hints as to SS and other wackiness, not to actual roles within the game).

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

There's what, 11 people? 3 wolves, 3 gifteds, 5 ordos, high chance of hitting an innocent, especially with so little information to go on.

Lower than the chances of hitting an innocent in a village of 16 with 4 wolves. Also, there is rarely much to go on in Day 1.

This bugs me. I mean, I can see wanting to prolong a game that may be short, but, as I see it, skipping toDay's lynch is actually to the baddies' advantage.

[Eönwë]

My mind is too jumbled to come up with anything clear thisHour, so I think I'll have to abstain.

[Eönwë]

Actually, that's a good point. If we're tying:

++Lottie

[Rikae]

I'm here and reading, but there seems to be little to say at the moment. Naturally Wilwa is right about the possibility of the seer communicating with a known innocent, and naturally, that would be the easiest thing in the world for a wolf to do as well.
The fact that Greenie doesn't seem to have noticed that makes me raise an eyebrow.

My better half needs to stop playing Minecraft and post or I'll vote for him.

That's all for now.

[Macalaure]

It seems like people think of the messages mostly as a means to convey something to somebody else. Don't forget that your message prompts somebody to write a message back. If you send something to somebody you're not sure about, that's a good way to learn (even if they don't reply).

I don't think the information offered in a message is worth much. A reveal might be fake, and any opinions given are probably already available in the thread anyway, or have to be taken with a bucketful of salt. Like Greenie mentioned, as a wolf, I would be nervous to write a message: the risk of giving something away (even if it's just a bad vibe) is not necessarily worth the opportunity to sow some deceit.

Talking about bad vibes, Wilwa is giving me a slight one right now, but I can't say why. Nothing else to say right now.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Like Greenie mentioned, as a wolf, I would be nervous to write a message: the risk of giving something away (even if it's just a bad vibe) is not necessarily worth the opportunity to sow some deceit.

I remember the last time there was this kind of twist, I was a wolf then, and I think it was one of the most challenging things I have done as a wolf; trying to accomplish something when given the opportunity to PM someone but being soo afraid not to reveal my lupine interests that in the end it turned out just whimsy good-for-nothing...

So it is a hairy thing... also to the wolves.


But yes, I kind of like that opportunity as it gives a new level to try and find something. It's one more new piece of "evidence" anyway - like lies in the court are evidence as well as true accounts - or the lawyers' traps.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Inconceivable! The entire bag!? *mutters* of course I really know what that word means

Returned, I see. Care to say what happened? Then again, we might not want to know.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

But then we would of course be losing a chance to get a wolf, which we could still get lucky enough to do. I don't know, I hate just picking someone out of a hat with nothing to go on.

Thankfully, folks have begun to show up, so it appears to be a non-issue now.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

It seems like people think of the messages mostly as a means to convey something to somebody else. Don't forget that your message prompts somebody to write a message back. If you send something to somebody you're not sure about, that's a good way to learn (even if they don't reply).

It still seems risky to me. If you don't know the alignment of the one you're talking to, should you be honest with thoughts and suspicions, or not? The baddies have the advantage because they know more about the other than vice-versa.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Talking about bad vibes, Wilwa is giving me a slight one right now, but I can't say why. Nothing else to say right now.

Hm. She said she might be all right with no one dying toDay, which on the surface looks rather like an innocent. Still, there is a difference between talking about something and having to act on it.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Turning it to a werewolf-vocabulary: are there independent Day-Night sequences where vote-kills and lupine-kills follow each other or are there only vote-kills?

I haven't seen anything to suggest lynches go on in the Night phase, but maybe we'll get clarification all the same.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"Changing the recommendations" sounds like we have a say over the secret society as what they do is to give "recommendations". Or am I reading too much into this?

I thought our influence was through our votes.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean I'm a bit confused about all the new rules - or especially all this "watch your cell-phone" or "follow me upon Twitter" -stuff etc. Like I'm not sure which is for the game itself and it's mechanics and what is just for fun.

Same here. I guess I'll just roll with it and see what develops.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But yes, I kind of like that opportunity as it gives a new level to try and find something. It's one more new piece of "evidence" anyway - like lies in the court are evidence as well as true accounts - or the lawyers' traps.

Courts and lawyers, eh? As if I needed another reason to foment my mistrust here.

x/d with Our Moddess

[satansaloser2005]

One of the staff raises an eyebrow at the voice outside and quietly excuses himself, rushing out the side door to investigate the commotion. You hear the young man and Boro speaking in not very hushed tones, then it grows silent outside yet again.



Also, please note that the Town Cobbler does not allow pets, and thus all wolves or any other animals, domesticated or otherwise, must be kept outside.

(Because, you see, there are no wolves here. I feel better now. Moving on.)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by note on the wall

Unbeknownst to most of you, a small portion of the group has been planted to ensure that the people meeting with the expert are worthy of being involved in the upcoming discussion. They will privately converse from time to time and inform SS and their staff of their findings to recommend removal of certain attendees from the guest list. Some of the more astute or suspicious members of the group may notice this and try to change the others’ recommendations or even reveal their plans to the rest of the group.

Okay. Queueing to meet this famous Tolkien -expert and some people wish to block the entry for some of us? On which grounds are some of us deemed "worthy" or "not worthy" then?

Should we just call for the removal of all the serious Tolkien cognoscenti then as they are the only ones I could think would qualify as the gatekeepers on this kind of an issue...



But - and here's actually a more serious question - the rules say that this small secret group will recommend the removal of some of us to SS (and "staff"???), and then that we can try to change the "others' recommendations" if we are astute or suspicious enough. So what does this actually mean?

Turning it to a werewolf-vocabulary: are there independent Day-Night sequences where vote-kills and lupine-kills follow each other or are there only vote-kills?

"Changing the recommendations" sounds like we have a say over the secret society as what they do is to give "recommendations". Or am I reading too much into this?

I mean I'm a bit confused about all the new rules - or especially all this "watch your cell-phone" or "follow me upon Twitter" -stuff etc. Like I'm not sure which is for the game itself and it's mechanics and what is just for fun.

Well, it probably clears out, but if SS would like to shed some light I'd appreciate.


On a third note, I'm in the middle of a huge essay-reading period ending on Monday-evening so my participation might be more or less erratic before that.