Three Times The Hobbit?

[Mumriken]

I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just recognize high culture while many don't. I'd pass for sure, since I actually enjoy much of what one would put in the "high culture" category. There would be a place for serious discussion on Tolkien that is for sure. But all these fans that dress up as the characters and like pulls Tolkien's work down with all the people who dress up as pokemon and who knows what else. Well the best way to kill off this sillyness is to simply ban it. I'm for some degree of control on the internet.

Just like I'd be for banning all unhealthy food in the supermarkets...however it's in human nature to enjoy unhealthy food...I don't know I just think there has to be some way to simply tame the human condition. You know slap some of your people in the face a bit? The internet is anarchy, we need to introduce some order on here. Start by banning religious people and pedophiles

[alatar]

Someone perhaps dressing up like a troll, hmmm?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alatar

Someone perhaps dressing up like a troll, hmmm?

Apparently even William, Tom, and Bert are getting excited about the movies and are showing it by joining 'net forums! I just hope they don't find this guy.

Anyway, from the start, I'd have been a lot more forgiving of PJ and ready to believe his "artistic" intentions, if not for the glut of merchandising around the LOTR franchise. And it shows no signs of slowing down now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Anyway, from the start, I'd have been a lot more forgiving of PJ and ready to believe his "artistic" intentions, if not for the glut of merchandising around the LOTR franchise. And it shows no signs of slowing down now.

Oh, how wonderful! I do hope to see someone wearing "Middle-earth" 3-d glasses "with a uniquely designed folding arm frame and hammer forged steel look" (and they look even goofier than they sound)!

[alatar]

Thinking back on the other trilogy makes me even more sad for this one: With (what seemed like) 4000 hours of footage, PJ didn't have time to show the relationship between Eomer and Aragorn, who don't even draw swords together. In fact, Eomer is just some horse captain related to Eowyn.

What a great way to waste Karl Urban's talent.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by alatar

Thinking back on the other trilogy makes me even more sad for this one: With (what seemed like) 4000 hours of footage, PJ didn't have time to show the relationship between Eomer and Aragorn, who don't even draw swords together. In fact, Eomer is just some horse captain related to Eowyn.

What a great way to waste Karl Urban's talent.

Well, the "We shall draw swords together" is actually transferred to Theoden and Aragorn at Helm's Deep. Although, Jackson, Walsh and Boyens seemed to have the impression if they switched parts of the books to different places, and different characters than they were still faithful and had the same meaning.

What I really missed was Theoden's obstinance and defiant attitude at Helm's Deep. I badly wanted to hear "I will not be taken like an old badger in a trap." One of my favorite lines from all the books. Yet, cut out for Theoden sulking despair to sudden change of heart as soon as Aragorn says "Ride out with me!" (Not to mention the continued whining "What did Gondor do for us!?" that goes on in ROTK...ugh)

I'm actually ok with Eomer's role in TTT, there isn't a need to introduce someone like Erkenbrand in the films. So having Eomer be the "exiled" knight, brought back by Gandalf to save Theoden at Helm's Deep is fine for the movies. Although, they did nothing with him in ROTK, except make a joke about the Merry's reach (at least that's the one thing I remember...oh the EE scene where he cries over Eowyn's presumably dead body was was well done).

[Mumriken]

Biggest mistakes he did with the lotr trilogy:

• No Old forest, the entire part of the first book was shorted down to 15 min or so. (This is where one should get to know the hobbits.)
• Casting of merry. (I didn't like the choice.)
• Glorfindel. (As great as it was to see Arwen save Frodo from the riders it wasn't a good idea.)
• The 2 min sections leading up to 10 min fighting scenes throughout Moria and beyond. (Now it became a action movie)
• Casting of Haldir. (A bit baby faced and one could see he had taken a shave)
• Lothlorien, I did not like the design here at all. Looked like something out of Star Wars.
• Gimli's jokes. (Just annoying, this character was raped)
• Legolas, he did not seem natural and if one contrasts him with Elrond or Haldir he looks fake.
• The camera angles throughout the entire movie. (Whenever there is personal up close action the cameras change every 2 sec. Where is the clint eastwood up close action scenes? Also in some chasing scenes it felt like watching a car chase.
• Gandalf the white, he did not live up to his title. Christopher Lee however did.
• The two towers movie in general, quite awful. Had some nice moments with the ents and Gollum but other than that horrible.
• The return of the king is one big fight, and while impressive a time waster.
• No confrontation between Gandalf and With king and the one they made was horrible horrible!
• Denethor, I hated everything about him and also Faramir's accent.
• Merry and Pippin at his point make me sick.
• The black gate, here would be a great oppurtunity to create some great emotionally loaded moments. But what we get is not that, but just another fight that couldn't live up to the first one that lasted what about an hour?
• Frodo's voiceover work at the end, I'd prefer Galadriel's and some actual explanation and not some slimy corny OHHH Saaam..voice.

Now here is what they managed to pull of:

• 10 sec of the Eowyn/Nazgul chase. To be more specific when she rode on the open road and the horse's speed matched the tempo of the song perfectly and of course when the Nazgul referred to her as she-elf. That might actually have been lost if they'd use Glorfindel instead.
• Elrond, I really liked this guy. Even though he looked like he had a massive headache most of the time he was a good choice for the noble elf.
• The little deep dialouge Gandalf has, like in Moria for example when he speaks of to follow your nose and about Gollum.
• The Balrog. (Not necessarly the scenes but the design)
• Galadriel. (Perfect chioce)
• Frodo & Sam. (I liked the actors and suprisingly most of their scenes)
• Gollum. (Only reason one would watch the second and third movie a second time)
• Ents and orcs who want to eat merry and pippin. Two orcs to be specific, these should get some kind of award for how they presented the orcs. (What about their legs, they don't need those...probably best line in the second movie)
• Saruman's reaction to the ents...ohhh yes got to love that.
• Aragorn speaking to the dead. (Great dialouge and design on the ghost thing)
• Scenes with Gollum...
• Frodo/Gollum fight at the Volcano.
• Eagles coming to save them.
• Cirdan, Elrond, Gandalf and Galadriel together and old Bilbo and the little dialouge the movie ends with.

There is some good stuff but most of it's bad, if the movies are all in all 9 hours long. I'd say 30 min or so is watchable. Overall a failure:

2/5

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

Start by banning religious people and pedophiles

How sad. If Tolkien were alive today and on the Internet, you'd have him banned for his devout Catholicism. I am not a religious person, but I know several on this forum that are. I am certain that linking "religious people and pedophiles" would be highly insulting to them.

And do not ask for restrictions on the Internet. You might not care for what you get. After all, the people that set the guidelines might not have your tact, your magnanimity and your obvious modesty.

[Mumriken]

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

You cannot know that, and this is not the place in which to discuss the matter.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

Are you channeling Tolkien presently to make such an unsubstantiated claim? One would think the transmission of spectral waves would be blocked by your tinfoil hat.

[Boromir88]

At this point, I'd say let the troll...troll. So, we don't have this thread be cluttered up by feeding it mutton. I'm sure the sun-rise is coming soon for this one.

[alatar]

Speaking of merchandizing, I still have (and recently rediscovered) my two FotR goblets that we got via Burger King. Haven't found the light-up bases yet.

So I'm not saying that all merchandizing is bad.

[Mumriken]

Evidence for this claim?

Tolkien was devoutly religious throughout his life. He was committed to Catholicism enough to insist his wife converted which wasn't a prerequisite for their marriage. He remained religious through being orphaned as a child, serving through the Somme, losing all but one of his childhood friends in WW1 and seeing two of his sons serve in WW2. His third son was a priest. I cannot see what has happened in the forty years since his death that would undermine the rather more difficult and traumatic eighty odd years of his life span.

I said if he was born like maybe in the 90s he would not have been religious today. You're talking about the tolkien that lived back in the day. Today it's common sense that there is no god and thank goodness it is! Anyway if you want to talk more about this make a topic and redirect me to it.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by alatar

Speaking of merchandizing, I still have (and recently rediscovered) my two FotR goblets that we got via Burger King. Haven't found the light-up bases yet.

So I'm not saying that all merchandizing is bad.

I suppose we could speculate on what new merchandising will be available. Mugs like barrels? Warg and spider suffies? Jools? They will have to be working overtime to come up with stuff for three films that is different from the stuff for the first three films.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

Evidence for this claim?

Tolkien was devoutly religious throughout his life. He was committed to Catholicism enough to insist his wife converted which wasn't a prerequisite for their marriage. He remained religious through being orphaned as a child, serving through the Somme, losing all but one of his childhood friends in WW1 and seeing two of his sons serve in WW2. His third son was a priest. I cannot see what has happened in the forty years since his death that would undermine the rather more difficult and traumatic eighty odd years of his life span.