Three Times The Hobbit?

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

Start by banning religious people and pedophiles

How sad. If Tolkien were alive today and on the Internet, you'd have him banned for his devout Catholicism. I am not a religious person, but I know several on this forum that are. I am certain that linking "religious people and pedophiles" would be highly insulting to them.

And do not ask for restrictions on the Internet. You might not care for what you get. After all, the people that set the guidelines might not have your tact, your magnanimity and your obvious modesty.

[Mumriken]

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

You cannot know that, and this is not the place in which to discuss the matter.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

Are you channeling Tolkien presently to make such an unsubstantiated claim? One would think the transmission of spectral waves would be blocked by your tinfoil hat.

[Boromir88]

At this point, I'd say let the troll...troll. So, we don't have this thread be cluttered up by feeding it mutton. I'm sure the sun-rise is coming soon for this one.

[alatar]

Speaking of merchandizing, I still have (and recently rediscovered) my two FotR goblets that we got via Burger King. Haven't found the light-up bases yet.

So I'm not saying that all merchandizing is bad.

[Mumriken]

Evidence for this claim?

Tolkien was devoutly religious throughout his life. He was committed to Catholicism enough to insist his wife converted which wasn't a prerequisite for their marriage. He remained religious through being orphaned as a child, serving through the Somme, losing all but one of his childhood friends in WW1 and seeing two of his sons serve in WW2. His third son was a priest. I cannot see what has happened in the forty years since his death that would undermine the rather more difficult and traumatic eighty odd years of his life span.

I said if he was born like maybe in the 90s he would not have been religious today. You're talking about the tolkien that lived back in the day. Today it's common sense that there is no god and thank goodness it is! Anyway if you want to talk more about this make a topic and redirect me to it.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

I said if he was born like maybe in the 90s he would not have been religious today. You're talking about the tolkien that lived back in the day. Today it's common sense that there is no god and thank goodness it is! Anyway if you want to talk more about this make a topic and redirect me to it.

It ought to be "common sense" that you have only your opinion on that matter, and it isn't suitable for debate here. Even a devoted thread on the topic of whether a "modern" Tolkien would have been Catholic is pointless.
For one thing, despite your words, many millions of people even in this day believe in God, and you can bring absolutely no evidence to support your claim that Tolkien would have been any different in that respect.

I suggest you lay the matter to rest. Or, if you like, make a topic about it and leave it up to the forum Administration to judge the appropriateness.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

I said if he was born like maybe in the 90s he would not have been religious today. You're talking about the tolkien that lived back in the day. Today it's common sense that there is no god and thank goodness it is! Anyway if you want to talk more about this make a topic and redirect me to it.

I don't. You brought it up and unsubstantiated opinion isn't fact and liable to be challenged. There are many intelligent, sincere believers around now. some of them post on this board.

Whether you, or I agree with them is irrelevant to whether Tolkien would be among their number. And not agreeing with people doesn't mean it is acceptable to treat them discourteously. It is a discussion board. The point is to discuss and if applicable, persuade by force of argument not ranting prejudice.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by alatar

Speaking of merchandizing, I still have (and recently rediscovered) my two FotR goblets that we got via Burger King. Haven't found the light-up bases yet.

So I'm not saying that all merchandizing is bad.

I suppose we could speculate on what new merchandising will be available. Mugs like barrels? Warg and spider suffies? Jools? They will have to be working overtime to come up with stuff for three films that is different from the stuff for the first three films.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I suppose we could speculate on what new merchandising will be available. Mugs like barrels? Warg and spider suffies? Jools? They will have to be working overtime to come up with stuff for three films that is different from the stuff for the first three films.

A talking wallet like William's, that speaks when it's touched by the wrong person? Now that, I'd actually buy.

I think I'd avoid Gollum*™ brand suishi though.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I suppose we could speculate on what new merchandising will be available. Mugs like barrels? Warg and spider suffies? Jools? They will have to be working overtime to come up with stuff for three films that is different from the stuff for the first three films.

One of the reasons I liked the goblets were that they were reasonably priced and made (or is that two reasons?). I still can use them, unlike T-shirts that wear out and that bric-a-brac statuey stuff that stays on your desk only until your children decide to use it to mix paint.

And the other reason is I'd acquired the goblets before I saw FotR...

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I suppose we could speculate on what new merchandising will be available. Mugs like barrels? Warg and spider suffies? Jools? They will have to be working overtime to come up with stuff for three films that is different from the stuff for the first three films.

They should just ask me what to make, seeing as I'll probably buy most of it

The earliest merch is always the best quality though, thinking about my Green Dragon pottery drinking....err...pot. I still kick myself that I didn't get the matching Prancing Pony one because not even years on eBay has found me one. It's a good quality item though. Very handy for hiding pens and glue sticks from the nipper in. As is the metalwork keyring which is so heavy I daren't put car keys on it or the ignition system might fall out (this might say more about French cars though), though it would make a superb offensive weapon.

The same went for the action figures, with the early ones being in the best packages (which I have destroyed in my lust to get at the goods) and with the best accessories/sculpts etc. The later ones got so bad you could even buy them in Poundland.

I'm hoping for a Bag End cake tin, a dress-up Thorin and a Radagast dog whistle.


EDIT - I forgot about the pair of nodding Gollums I've got - probably the worst collectible you could think of but ruddy brilliant in the back of the car!!!!

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Mumriken

If Tolkien lived today he wouldn't have been religious.

Evidence for this claim?

Tolkien was devoutly religious throughout his life. He was committed to Catholicism enough to insist his wife converted which wasn't a prerequisite for their marriage. He remained religious through being orphaned as a child, serving through the Somme, losing all but one of his childhood friends in WW1 and seeing two of his sons serve in WW2. His third son was a priest. I cannot see what has happened in the forty years since his death that would undermine the rather more difficult and traumatic eighty odd years of his life span.