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Eönwë · 12-02-2012, 05:18 AM

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ok, I'm going to need to reread this all again more slowly, but here are my thoughts.

Firstly, no, I'm not claiming to have gotten an Amandil dream. This really leaves three options:

Shasta was Amandil and Zil is telling the truth. I can't see a KM making a claim when it's possible that someone else will also make such a claim, because either the KM will be lynched toDay or toMorrow, and given the numbers, I don't think that would be worth it for them.
Zil is a KM and is fairly certain that Shasta wasn't Amandil. Unlikely because he claimed it so early and didn't even wait to see whether others had claims and Shasta really was Amandil.
Irrespective of his thoughts on Shasta, Zil is worried that he'd get lynched toDay and wanted to pre-emptively put himself in a good position because he agrees with what I've said above.

So, basically, I'm quite happy trusting Zil unless something else makes me reconsider. And by happy I mean kind of worried, because I was quite certain that Zil was evil.

For Lottie, my thoughts are similar. It's either KM-on-KM or genuine, I'd think. So we might as well go along with it for now.

Nerwen · 12-02-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ok, I'm going to need to reread this all again more slowly, but here are my thoughts.

Firstly, no, I'm not claiming to have gotten an Amandil dream. This really leaves three options:[list=1][*]Shasta was Amandil and Zil is telling the truth. I can't see a KM making a claim when it's possible that someone else will also make such a claim, because either the KM will be lynched toDay or toMorrow, and given the numbers, I don't think that would be worth it for them.[*]Zil is a KM and is fairly certain that Shasta wasn't Amandil. Unlikely because he claimed it so early and didn't even wait to see whether others had claims and Shasta really was Amandil.

???And what is all this about? Has anyone doubted Shasta was Amandil? And how could the KMs know if he wasn't?

Nerwen · 12-02-2012, 08:19 AM

Anyone around?

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

???And what is all this about? Has anyone doubted Shasta was Amandil? And how could the KMs know if he wasn't?

Even if no one doubted it, Steve here is just laying out the only options for further mistrust of Zil now that we know no one else is going to contest his claim. Unless we think no one at all could have received the dream (because Shasta wasn't Amandil), we have to assume that Zil was the one to receive the dream and that he is, in fact, an ordo.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen. Hi there!

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 08:41 AM

All right- that settles it. Inzil is unchallenged. Good. I'm here only for about 45 minutes then I'm leaving, but I'll be back after a couple hours. No worries.

And Lottie is back. I do hope she's reading everything carefully, as I still could use some help figuring things out....

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

And Lottie is back. I do hope she's reading everything carefully, as I still could use some help figuring things out....

We've gotten something from everyone. Shall I reveal our wolfie now?

Also, as to your question from earlier - I can't make heads nor tails of it. Sorry.

EDIT: Wolfie, KM, same thing.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 08:53 AM

How about post #376 then, Lottie. Does anything leap out at you about it after looking at it again for a bit?

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

How about post #376 then, Lottie. Does anything leap out at you about it after looking at it again for a bit?

I'm sorry. Nothing.

Brinniel · 12-02-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Has anyone doubted Shasta was Amandil?

Sally also mentioned a scenario with the possibility of Amandil still being alive in one of her more recent posts. I don't really understand either why that's even being considered. We know Shasta was gifted. Why would he false claim as Amandil and why would the real Amandil not counter claim?

Okay, if Elendil was assuming that Anarion was Boro, I can see why he might not pick phantom or me. But why Lottie? She did seem on the more innocent side to me, but there's no way to be sure. And really, what is the bigger risk: sending a dream to a known innocent with the possibility they could die and no information is revealed? Or sending the dream to an unknown who could use that information to manipulate the village should they turn out evil?

I have to be at work for most of toDay, but I will be back for the last one to two hours before deadline.

12-02-2012, 05:18 AM	#1
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ok, I'm going to need to reread this all again more slowly, but here are my thoughts. Firstly, no, I'm not claiming to have gotten an Amandil dream. This really leaves three options: Shasta was Amandil and Zil is telling the truth. I can't see a KM making a claim when it's possible that someone else will also make such a claim, because either the KM will be lynched toDay or toMorrow, and given the numbers, I don't think that would be worth it for them. Zil is a KM and is fairly certain that Shasta wasn't Amandil. Unlikely because he claimed it so early and didn't even wait to see whether others had claims and Shasta really was Amandil. Irrespective of his thoughts on Shasta, Zil is worried that he'd get lynched toDay and wanted to pre-emptively put himself in a good position because he agrees with what I've said above. So, basically, I'm quite happy trusting Zil unless something else makes me reconsider. And by happy I mean kind of worried, because I was quite certain that Zil was evil. For Lottie, my thoughts are similar. It's either KM-on-KM or genuine, I'd think. So we might as well go along with it for now. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

12-02-2012, 08:41 AM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	All right- that settles it. Inzil is unchallenged. Good. I'm here only for about 45 minutes then I'm leaving, but I'll be back after a couple hours. No worries. And Lottie is back. I do hope she's reading everything carefully, as I still could use some help figuring things out.... __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 08:53 AM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	How about post #376 then, Lottie. Does anything leap out at you about it after looking at it again for a bit? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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12-02-2012, 08:19 AM	#3
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Anyone around? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.