WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Bane Mantra]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

The thing with this game is being careful on what to say, and to note on how the Wizer's and Cobblers will try to bring up other arguments between other players to not be looked at themselves.

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Cop -> Bor

I agree with Brin on how the first day is always the worst, and while I see Cop's point on Bor not posting anything to add, I fear if Bor gets voted it is because of that, he would be an easy vote like the fate I befall so many times in the past.

Mor -> Kat

Mor's reasoning is rather picky, but I think he is just trying to justify his gut feeling to his vote. I know that feeling, as mentioned earlier.

Brin -> Ner

Makes an understandable attempt at Ner, but then again first day lynchings is always the hardest. and Ner has had the most substantial input today

Perhaps they will indeed, Gil.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Bane Mantra

Perhaps they will indeed, Gil.

So it begins. I have accepted this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" portion of the game. Nobody likes to be voted for on the first day and as much as I would love to abstain, that would draw criticisms upon oneself.

And in my defence Bane I was just summing up other players reasoning on votes. I forgot how statements can be turned against me.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

So it begins. I have accepted this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" portion of the game. Nobody likes to be voted for on the first day and as much as I would love to abstain, that would draw criticisms upon oneself.

I know, I know, people who never vote on Day One are a disgrace, aren't we- er, I mean they?

But seriously- Gil, at the point when three people each have one vote, you're certainly not limited to them only, and when you claim you are, it looks like opportunism followed by hand washing.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I know, I know, people who never vote on Day One are a disgrace, aren't we- er, I mean they?

But seriously- Gil, at the point when three people each have one vote, you're certainly not limited to them only, and when you claim you are, it looks like opportunism followed by hand washing.

Here is how I look at it, Inz threw out a name but was non-commited on it, and the troll that my gut tells me to vote for will throw another name, making it 6 individual names. I am positive more names will get thrown out there and that is the thing. As you said, this is a village of 18 with another 13 possible votes. Day one is for testing the waters, and you being so defensive and afraid that the two votes for you will spell your end reveals something. Are you hiding something Ner? The night is still young and me tipping my hand to you will determine your behaviour now.

The uncertainty will be the death of me, plus I am too nice. The Wizers want confusion and for as many names thrown out to cause discord.

Only one to trust is yourself, and it might be my past experience on day 1 lynchings, but it is too early to call the game Ner, unless you are a panicing Wizer.

[Nerwen]

Day one is for testing the waters, and you being so defensive and afraid that the two votes for you will spell your end reveals something.

It possibly would had I in fact been defensive or expressed such a fear. But as anyone can see I didn't... nice try, Gil.

What I did say was that your vote, or rather the reason you give for it, looks bad. That is still my opinion, and your posting since hasn't exactly helped.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Here is how I look at it, Inz threw out a name but was non-commited on it, and the troll that my gut tells me to vote for will throw another name, making it 6 individual names. I am positive more names will get thrown out there and that is the thing. As you said, this is a village of 18 with another 13 possible votes. Day one is for testing the waters, and you being so defensive and afraid that the two votes for you will spell your end reveals something.

If only three out of 19 have been voted and there are 15 votes to go saying that you need to keep sure the votes are not spread too wide isn't the most reasonable cause for a vote.

Then again, bringing on some pressure by exactly giving a second vote to someone that early could be reasonable tactics to see whether the dog barks the stick hits...

[satansaloser2005]

My stomach is growling for some man-flesh, but since we ain't yet decided which of us is made of man-flesh, I'll go fix myself a sammich and finish reading through all yer kerfluffle when I have a full stomach. Well, less empty anyway.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Here is how I look at it, Inz threw out a name but was non-commited on it, and the troll that my gut tells me to vote for will throw another name, making it 6 individual names. I am positive more names will get thrown out there and that is the thing. As you said, this is a village of 18 with another 13 possible votes. Day one is for testing the waters, and you being so defensive and afraid that the two votes for you will spell your end reveals something. Are you hiding something Ner? The night is still young and me tipping my hand to you will determine your behaviour now.

I think you're looking more defensive at the moment than Nerwen. Having said that, I'd say you're also the one that many seem to want to jump after and pile on right now...hence the defensiveness.

Partially stirred by you though, with how you're the typical red-shirt, and then assuming everything you say is now getting turned against to. I honestly laughed at your redshirt comment for nostalgia reasons. Maybe I just think myself more ancient than the most, but I would guess I'm one of the few who would remember your 'style'...it's been a long time for sure. It's just making you look not only defensive but paranoid.

Currently, I'm thinking you've been acting a very clumsy troll and it's been such a long time since you've graced us with your WW-presense, I'm interpretting some of this piling on against you as wizards licking their chops at the offerend redshirt. However, I think you're looking in the wrong place with Nerwen (ie you can interpret this as if it comes between voting you or Nerwen, I will vote you).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think you're looking more defensive at the moment than Nerwen. Having said that, I'd say you're also the one that many seem to want to jump after and pile on right now...hence the defensiveness.

He started that immediately, though- "so it begins", etc. And of course, even before he voted, there was the "red-shirt" routine. I just feel the martyrdom is being a bit overplayed.
edit:x'd with Ozban.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think you're looking more defensive at the moment than Nerwen. Having said that, I'd say you're also the one that many seem to want to jump after and pile on right now...hence the defensiveness.

Partially stirred by you though, with how you're the typical red-shirt, and then assuming everything you say is now getting turned against to. I honestly laughed at your redshirt comment for nostalgia reasons. Maybe I just think myself more ancient than the most, but I would guess I'm one of the few who would remember your 'style'...it's been a long time for sure. It's just making you look not only defensive but paranoid.

Currently, I'm thinking you've been acting a very clumsy troll and it's been such a long time since you've graced us with your WW-presense, I'm interpretting some of this piling on against you as wizards licking their chops at the offerend redshirt. However, I think you're looking in the wrong place with Nerwen (ie you can interpret this as if it comes between voting you or Nerwen, I will vote you).

With my time very limited during the final hours (I am typing this between classes) I wanted to stimulate the voting by trying a tactic, and Ner being the most vocal of the votee's I wanted to flesh out her defense. It is hard for me and frustrating to explain then get asked to explain that and so forth. Do I think Ner is going to get lynched? Probably not. With everyone piling on me, I need to point out Bor's comment. My gameplay is insanity. I stir the pot to get things going that typically runs my own downfall, but allows me to judge others. I will attempt to get on moments before the deadline to see the outcome. It has been a long time since I have done this game and by trying to stir the pot I have given everyone an easy vote for day 1. So vote Gil for being Gil, or surprise me and humour my insanity.

I hope I don't get asked to explain this again, I really don't know what to say. Maybe it is my thought process or how I talk but it always turns against me.

[Pomegranate]

First round of impressions, I'll be around now for about an hour and then will go to a dance class that ends so close to the deadline I'd rather cast my vote before that.

Things That Have Happened:
Nerwen vs Gil-galad. I'm not inclined to think either of them Wizers based on this dispute. Ner jumps, but reasonably, not only because of a vote for her but because of a very strangely cast vote. And despite saying that, as well as the fact that some of Gil's explanations do indeed seem forged (coming way after the vote and slowly developing more and more elaborate), the paranoia seems more like something a typical first-day-lynch innocent would be like, rather than a Wizard. It is creating discussion and pulling attention towards him. For that, and for the sake of him, after all, being a typical first-day lynch, I'd be willing to give him a pass for the day.

Cop and his vote for Boro seems worse to me than either of the two above. He has to vote early, which is understandable, but basing a vote on two IC posts and saying it's not random feels weird. Boro can be a very strong player, and in case he's innocent getting rid of him early in the game when he hasn't had time to contribute much would seem like a reasonable thing for a Wizard to do. Then again, it is hardly starting a bandwagon, because of the total lack of evidence. But he could've been trusting that people (like Gil) would rather vote for someone who already has a vote, than someone who doesn't?

These are the first two things to come in mind. Will keep reading.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

So it begins. I have accepted this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" portion of the game. Nobody likes to be voted for on the first day and as much as I would love to abstain, that would draw criticisms upon oneself.

I can understand wanting to give a vote, even when there's not a great deal to work with. I think your reasoning for doing so seems off though; not wanting to look suspicious yourself.

[Nogrod]

"For a couple o' pins," says Troll, and grins,
"I'll eat thee Wizers, and gnaw thy shins.
A bit o' fresh meat will go down sweet!
I'll try my teeth on thee now.
Hee now! See now!
I'm tired o' gnawing old bones and skins;
I've a mind to dine on thee Wizer now."

Two pages of banter... I'm not sure if I'm feeling nostalgic for the good ole times or just remembering why it was soo annoying back then with the huge games when there was much to read but little to chew...

I don't basically like any of the votes given as yet, if that is any starter. They all look like people wished to justify their votes a bit too much comparing to the little or non-existent evidence there was at the time of their votes.

But even there - and knowing Gil's history - I need to pick out this for the most awkward one of them:

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Brin -> Ner

Makes an understandable attempt at Ner, but then again first day lynchings is always the hardest. and Ner has had the most substantial input today.

An "attempt"? An "understandable attempt" when it is is "the hardest" Day to get someone lynched? I mean, yes it might be a language issue, but to me an attempt sounds like something you do when you know what you are doing / aiming at... And then, after saying he thinks Nerwen has been "the most substantial" poster today, he goes to vote her as well because he doesn't want to spread the vote...

I hate to be able only to put forth these two slight remarks, but I just read this through in a hurry and have a lots of work to do. I will be back later with hopefully something better later toDay (I will be back).


EDIT: X'd with the last few...

[Gil-Galad]

I suppose so Ner, what said is said. Looking back, no matter what I say or don't say draws debate but that is the heart of this game. I hope others post more to get this rolling. The tension is killing me.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nog

Then again, bringing on some pressure by exactly giving a second vote to someone that early could be reasonable tactics to see whether the dog barks the stick hits...

Yeah, but he seems to have thought of that one pretty belatedly.

And then there's this-

Originally Posted by Gil

Are you hiding something Ner? The night is still young and me tipping my hand to you will determine your behaviour now.

The uncertainty will be the death of me, plus I am too nice. The Wizers want confusion and for as many names thrown out to cause discord.

Only one to trust is yourself, and it might be my past experience on day 1 lynchings, but it is too early to call the game Ner, unless you are a panicing Wizer.

What does all that even mean, Gil? I really can't make head nor tail of it- but there are phrases in there I find rather... interesting...

[Ozban]

Allright, reading through last few hours I'm more and more concerned about this whole"Gil voting Nerwen" thingy. Gil's reasons seemed fishy from the start, especially so soon during the day, while there's obviously much more to come, and Gil isn't leaving our company just yet. Unless he would try just to make things move at last. That I find unlikely though.

Nerwen is now barking, and understandably so. I can't say I am completely sure about her, but as somebody said, right now I can trust only myself. In the end I must agree with Bore (post #86), I'm inclining to vote rather Gil than Nerve, if it comes to choosing between them.

Last thought. Am I the only one, who finds Volo's last post odd?

[Bane Mantra]

Originally Posted by Ozban

Last thought. Am I the only one, who finds Volo's last post odd?

It's bizarre, but I think it's just IC and reflections on players' styles. However, what are your thoughts on it, Oz?

[Ozban]

Gil I really don't like your last post, I understand your Insanity idea and I wouldn't discard it as valid strategy, but I don't doubt it might easily get you killed. Madmen are loved in other, real worlds, but not when our trollskins are at stake. And still I can not but to consider you trying to stir us as a Wizzer, hoping that we'll indulge you, for everyone likes to play mad-like at times. Don't take my honesty bad, but my view of you growing ever grim.

Originally Posted by Bane Mantra

It's bizarre, but I think it's just IC and reflections on players' styles. However, what are your thoughts on it, Oz?

As for that, I reread it several times and I'm actually begin' to think it's fine. Odd, yes. Bizzare, but probably just IC. My first worries were about the latter part of that post and Volo perhaps 'playing' turncloak, but it doesn't really seem likely, especially when I consider other IC posts all of us have thrown in.