WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

You are very defensive, admit that. I say one thing against you and it feels to me that you go to the ends of the earth to shut me down, and that is perfectly warranted. I just want to get it through to you that your aggression towards me is misguided, and to focus on others. I am obviously a poor wolf by the way I play, and I want us to get a wolf kill in.

Once again- none of this happening. I'm not focussing on you any more than anyone else is. You voted me, remember? Not the other way round.

Again, either you are an innocent weirdly fixated on me for no apparent reason...or this is some kind of wolf-ploy.

I don't know whether to take that last sentence as a slip, or just more weirdness.
EDIT: x'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Gil or Morsul. Those are my options. Both are too suspicious right now to be ignored, and it's obvious neither was cleared by Brinn. I'm not sure which to go for though.

I will be voting within the next half hour or so. If you want to try to persuade me one way or the other, now is the time.

[Nerwen]

After some thought I've decided Gil's recent posting looks, on the whole, more like a desperate wolf than an injured innocent.

So-

++Gil

Edit:x'd with Sally and Lottie.

[Loslote]

Personally, I think this Nerwen-Gil drama is almost more interesting than the Brinn drama. Looking at it carefully, then, to see what's going on...

Option 1 is obviously, both Nerwen and Gil are innocents at each other's throats.

Option 2: Nerwen is a wolf, poking and prodding at the obvious lynch choice Gil to make him squirm and look even more guilty, and to make herself look good for participating a lot and for 'hunting wolves'.

Option 3: Gil is a wolf trying to take innocent Nerwen down with him.

Option 4: Gil is a wolf attacking his packmate Nerwen so that whoever survives toDay's lynch looks better for having bussed their packmate.

Now, looking at the other things Gil has done. His three big suspicions - Zil, Nog, and Nerwen - seem odd for a wolf because Zil has been considered generally innocent all game for how he treated Pom and Nerwen and Nog has been suspected lightly, off and on, all game, but never seriously threatened. Were he a wolf fumbling for an innocent to take down with him, I'd think he would have chosen someone like Morsul, who has been suspected heavily all game and nearly lynched a few times. Option 3, then, seems unlikely.

Option 1 seems unlikely, given Brinn's hints.

Option 2 and Option 4 both seem fairly likely to me. Option 2 seems like a repeat of the Nerwen-Rikae kerfluffle yesterDay, and Option 4 is the sort of thing wolf packs do all the time when they know one of their own is doomed. The only thing bothering me with Option 4 is that Nerwen herself actually mentions it in one of her posts, and I don't know if a wolf would bring that possibility to the forefront of people's minds like that.

All in all, then, I continue to find Nerwen suspicious, and I think it's likely Gil is as well.

Finally, I have to work for a few hours today, but I'll be back about an hour before DL. I'll hold my vote until then.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh. Right. I think Nerwen is acting shifty, which means she's innocent. I am rarely wrong about her (or rather, I'm always wrong, which means I'm always right, or something like that). I'll fight any attempt to lynch her toDay.

x'd with Lottie

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh. Right. I think Nerwen is acting shifty, which means she's innocent. I am rarely wrong about her (or rather, I'm always wrong, which means I'm always right, or something like that). I'll fight any attempt to lynch her toDay.

x'd with Lottie

This is a very brow raising comment. Are you strongly suggesting you know the role of another player? My "knowledge" was a hypothetical yours seems to be blatant to the point of "fighting any attempt"

Also you've been very consistently and to be frank predictably voting me why the sudden change to Gil? Was your wagoning of me getting nowhere so you jumped on the gil train?

The only thing you've been saying about him is he's suspicious from day one but why? The only solid thing I can find is a mention or his annoying martyrdom.

I don't like Lottie's behavior either but I think for today...

++Sally

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

This is a very brow raising comment. Are you strongly suggesting you know the role of another player? My "knowledge" was a hypothetical yours seems to be blatant to the point of "fighting any attempt"

I've done this before, both as an innocent and as a wolf, and I know Sally does it, too, in both roles. I don't find it suspicious.

Also you've been very consistently and to be frank predictably voting me why the sudden change to Gil? Was your wagoning of me getting nowhere so you jumped on the gil train?

Um, really? You're suspecting someone for a) having consistent suspicions and b) voting off of Seer evidence?

I don't like Lottie's behavior either but I think for today...

Care to elaborate?

[Inziladun]

Well, I voted for him yesterNight, and I've seen nothing toNight that convinces me I was wrong.

++Gil

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, I voted for him yesterNight, and I've seen nothing toNight that convinces me I was wrong.

++Gil

Wrong of what? That I am a wizard or that I am suspicious and uncertain?

I just feel glad that though I am an easy lynch, once everyone finds out that I am innocent, those that voted for me will be under the radar tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

Finally back, and only hastily skimming some parts of the posts I can see Gil getting the votes.

Now that wonders me not because of him being the common denominator between Volo's and Brinn's suspicions (although I must say that if the wolves thought Volo the seer there had to be another wolf he suspected heavily as his suspicion on Gil is not that much on a "secure footing").

And from the little I have gathered, Gil hasn't been especially helpful either in his own posts to cast away those suspicions.

I must join Zil's caution about Gil being the easy vote toDay, but then again I don't quite like the way he just states that and then votes for him quite immediately... I mean, yeah, I'm not sure I can stand above that standard myself (mostly because I haven't had time to read toDay fairly, but anyway). Giving as a reason that he voted for him yesterDay as well...

Give me a hint where to look at as it seems I'm not going to be able to read all in this half an hour we have left. Any other serious candidates and why? Especially "the why" would interest me.


EDIT: X'd with Gil & Morsul

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I've done this before, both as an innocent and as a wolf, and I know Sally does it, too, in both roles. I don't find it suspicious.



Um, really? You're suspecting someone for a) having consistent suspicions and b) voting off of Seer evidence?



Care to elaborate?

I did elaborate, she says Gil prbably wasn't dreamed then uses a possible dream for the basis of the vote.

As for consistency I feel she's been voting me practically every chance whether or not actually suspecting me, then when the wind starts blowing in Gils direction she goes with the winning(or losing) horse. If I'm her biggest worry (two out of three votes) why not vote me? The Gil vote feels ingenuine.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh I missed the quote about you. I thought you meant elaborate on Sally

The biggest reason you, Lottie, worry me is the whole picking up on one maybe ill-worded hypathetical and running it straight the heck. What was bad about day two was both Oz and I were innocent which means we haven't been good at even suspecting wizards... I think though you started a good run on me and then Oz sort of dropped the nail on himself unfortunately.

Also Like I said about the Pom vote your vote position was the most likely to be wizardly.

x'ed Nog

[Gil-Galad]

In all honesty Nerwen, it is our play styles that don't mesh well and I am starting to feel like Rik here. I am at the point that I would just forfeit the game and be done with it. I am that frustrated.

Am I bitter? Sure I am but not because I am getting lynched. It is because I want to focus on other players. Lynching is part of the game and I accept that.


Just that those who voice for my demise will feel silly that they lynched an innocent. Except for the grinning wolves.

[satansaloser2005]

Gil, Nerwen (as well as the others) is totally within her right to suspect you as she's done. I'm truly sorry you're upset, but when you act suspicious, you're going to be suspected, and you've been suspicious for quite some time now. Actually, you've been bloody suspicious. And now you can be bloody and suspicious.

++Gil

I must go to work. I'll try to check in, but no promises.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Gil, Nerwen (as well as the others) is totally within her right to suspect you as she's done. I'm truly sorry you're upset, but when you act suspicious, you're going to be suspected, and you've been suspicious for quite some time now. Actually, you've been bloody suspicious. And now you can be bloody and suspicious.

++Gil

I must go to work. I'll try to check in, but no promises.

Meh, I am resigned to my death and almost glad of it. Do got to say that I broke my record of surviving to day 3, since I survived till day 4! So I am happy on that, and I hope you get a wolf kill soon.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Gil, Nerwen (as well as the others) is totally within her right to suspect you as she's done. I'm truly sorry you're upset, but when you act suspicious, you're going to be suspected, and you've been suspicious for quite some time now. Actually, you've been bloody suspicious. And now you can be bloody and suspicious.

++Gil

I must go to work. I'll try to check in, but no promises.

I think my jaw just smashed the floor. Sally didn't vote me?!

Back and reading... I had my days mixed up so I ended up working today instead of tomorrow... so have to catch up

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Personally, I think this Nerwen-Gil drama is almost more interesting than the Brinn drama. Looking at it carefully, then, to see what's going on...

Option 1 is obviously, both Nerwen and Gil are innocents at each other's throats.

Option 2: Nerwen is a wolf, poking and prodding at the obvious lynch choice Gil to make him squirm and look even more guilty, and to make herself look good for participating a lot and for 'hunting wolves'.

Except I haven't 'poked' at him any more than anyone else has. He just suddenly started screaming that I was persecuting him- why me rather than others I don't know. See for yourself: the "Nerwen-Gil" drama is of Gil's making, not mine.

Edit:x'd since self.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Except I haven't 'poked' at him any more than anyone else has. He just suddenly started screaming that I was persecuting him- why me rather than others I don't know. See for yourself: the "Nerwen-Gil" drama is of Gil's making, not mine.

Fair enough. In this case, it is mostly Gil. Option 2 is probably much less likely than Option 4, though I still don't think a wolf!Gil and an innocent![/b]Nerwen[/b] would be acting like this.

EDIT: xed with Gil.

[Rikae]

Ok, so Nerwen said:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And part of her case on Nog the next Day (#371)– she finds it suspicious that he would bother analysing the kill.

Which is the most absurd strawman I've ever seen. What Brinn actually said was

Originally Posted by Brinn

While Volo's death needs to be discussed to an extent, Nogrod spends a lot of time analyzing his posts and coming up all sorts of possibilities (mostly based on the assumption the wizards thought Volo was the seer).

Italics mine. Now, I was wondering how committed Nerwen was to promoting the idea that Brinn dreamed Nog, so I went along with it, and she carefullly reinforces it:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I wouldn't want to rule it out. Though there's also what I said: It could simply be that she knew you were innocent, and therefore was inclined to look askance at anyone pushing the significance of a kill that seemed to point to you. But she didn't seem so inclined to suspect other people for that reason.

Now, I don't know if the wolves would think it was possible to save Gil today by lynching Nog (or at least follow it up with a Nog lynch), but by Brinn's posting a Nog dream seems highly unlikely.

Sally (and I can't help but remember Brinn's point about there being a possible wolf among Sally and Shasta, explaining their survival) is pushing the same idea and more so - she actually says Nog is more likely! Then she actually feels the need to say

Originally Posted by Sally

I think Nerwen is acting shifty, which means she's innocent. I am rarely wrong about her (or rather, I'm always wrong, which means I'm always right, or something like that). I'll fight any attempt to lynch her toDay.

Does anyone seriously see Nerwen getting lynched toDay? Why does Sally (who maybe feels comfortable with her innocentish status in our eyes) feel the need to preemptively state that she will defend Nerwen? Regardless of Nerwen's role, it reflects badly on Sally.

As for Gil, he knows he's a goner and he's being sloppy.

Originally Posted by Gil

it is hard to say if Brinn did a seer-dream of me and hinted at being clear

The fact that Nerwen notes this but basically prompts Gil to correct himself looks very bad.

Also

Originally Posted by Gil

I am obviously a poor wolf by the way I play, and I want us to get a wolf kill in.

Okay then. However, he's definitely still trying something with the Nerwen squabble. It comes out of the blue and looks staged to me; Nerwen says:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

3. You are a sneaky wolf who is hoping to take me down with him via over-the-top accusations that will be seen as "wolf-on-wolf".

Which I think is the most likely possibility after 4. It is wolf-on-wolf.

There is no question in my mind about

++Gil

But now I very much have my eye on Sally and Nerwen. As for which of the two looks worse, I could toss a coin at this point.

EDIT: Bah, the whole post I put italics in is in italics! Replaced with bolding. Also highlighting vote.

[Gil-Galad]

My question to you Rik is that by claiming Ner and myself to be doing a wolf on wolf tactic, after I get lynched are you going to go after her? At least, once you discover the truth.

[satansaloser2005]

Re: My possibly moot defense of Nerwen. See Boro and how rather sudden that was. Wackier things have happened.

I see little people. I'm off. Do well, fair village, and try not to bicker more while I'm gone.