WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Coppermirror]

I have to vote within the next hour, and I intend to vote for Gil. For his fishy logic on Day 2, the possibility that Volo was killed for suspecting him, his vote yesterDay, and that I believe Brin probably dreamed of him. That's so much suspicion that I really have to find out if he's a wizard at this point. I realise that there's also a chance she might have dreamed of Nog instead and found him guilty, and indeed, Nog's Day 1 voting was suspicious, but in terms of Brin's dreams I think Gil is the better bet. If that turns out to be wrong I'd probably want to vote Nog tomorrow.

I won't vote until I have to, though, just in case someone comes up with an argument that persuades me before then.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Nog's Day 1 voting was suspicious, but in terms of Brin's dreams I think Gil is the better bet. If that turns out to be wrong I'd probably want to vote Nog tomorrow.

I will hold it to you to vote Nog tomorrow if you decide to vote for me toDay. We got super lucky on the first day, and now it is just going downhill for us and we are losing a lot of innocents. I understand that this game is about senseless lynchings, but I just want to feel good that a Wolf gets killed after me.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So... you're saying you think she did dream you, Gil? You know what that implies, right?

Of course I do. It implies that she would have known my true role in this and would have looked at other trolls aside from me toDay, if she survived.

The way it looks, Nerwen and Inz are all gung-ho to lynch me toDay along with others non-committed but leaning towards it. I will state what I have stated before: I am innocent, a lynch of me would prove that, and you can assume this is just being a tricksy wolf trying to avoid lynchings, but I have accepted the possible inevitable and just ask that look at the trolls that were so persistent on an easy kill for me.

I do not like Nerwen's postings, not since her day 1 defense against me. When she got the spotlight, she put in a lot of effort to shake it off, and when she wanted to vote for someone she did not tarry off the path. An innocent would want to get as many wolves out as possible, a Wolf would focus on one at a time. Look back at her posts and decide yourself, this is what I feel.

With that said,

++Nerwen

It is up to you my friends, we really need to get a wolf kill in here.

Xed: with Cop

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gil

Of course I do. It implies that she would have known my true role in this and would have looked at other trolls aside from me toDay, if she survived.

You said " it is hard to say if Brinn did a Seer-dream of me and hinted at being clear". No it isn't.

The way it looks, Nerwen and Inz are all gung-ho to lynch me toDay along with others non-committed but leaning towards it. I will state what I have stated before: I am innocent, a lynch of me would prove that, and you can assume this is just being a tricksy wolf trying to avoid lynchings, but I have accepted the possible inevitable and just ask that look at the trolls that were so persistent on an easy kill for me.

Actually I haven't been particularly "gung-ho" to lynch you- not more than anyone else and less than some. The person who has been strongest and most consistant in pushing for your lynchng toDay is Cop, whom you don't even mention. Why pick on me? It seems so random...

Originally Posted by Gil

I do not like Nerwen's postings, not since her day 1 defense against me. When she got the spotlight, she put in a lot of effort to shake it off, and when she wanted to vote for someone she did not tarry off the path.

My defence? You mean when you made a really dodgy-looking vote for me and I, along with various other players, said, "Gosh, what a dodgy-looking vote"? And then you just started screeching about how everyone was out to get you and how "Nerwen's evil defensiveness shows she has something to hide"?

And then you go on to vote me. Even though in your previous post it was "Inz and Nog" we needed to focus on.

Possibilities.

1. You are a framed innocent who has developed some sort of paranoid fixation on me that's making you see me as your chief persecutor.

2. You are a flailing wolf who has settled on me as the best current prospect for an innocent lynch.

3. You are a sneaky wolf who is hoping to take me down with him via over-the-top accusations that will be seen as "wolf-on-wolf".

EDIT: x'd with Sally.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

2. You are a flailing wolf who has settled on me as the best current prospect for an innocent lynch.

I find this Hilaurious that you refer to yourself as an innocent lynch. Nobody here besides myself has pointed you out for wolfishness or even voted for you (Aside from the deceased Brinn and Volo). You only have one vote for you, why do you constantly think that that means it is the end of you?

Look at my past in this game, I have found no one that has supported me, and every one that finds me suspicious. If I was a wolf, I would not throw names in that haven't been thrown in before, because the key to a Wolf in lynch-play is too bandwagon innocents one by one.

You are very defensive, admit that. I say one thing against you and it feels to me that you go to the ends of the earth to shut me down, and that is perfectly warranted. I just want to get it through to you that your aggression towards me is misguided, and to focus on others. I am obviously a poor wolf by the way I play, and I want us to get a wolf kill in.

Why did I vote for you? Because my dear, you are the most wolfish I have seen yet. Inz and Nog are up there, but they have been playing it close to the chest and still exploring other players, albeit Inz is changing.

If it turns out that we are both innocent, then this arguing towards each other is ultimately useless.

Xed: with Greenie

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

You are very defensive, admit that. I say one thing against you and it feels to me that you go to the ends of the earth to shut me down, and that is perfectly warranted. I just want to get it through to you that your aggression towards me is misguided, and to focus on others. I am obviously a poor wolf by the way I play, and I want us to get a wolf kill in.

Once again- none of this happening. I'm not focussing on you any more than anyone else is. You voted me, remember? Not the other way round.

Again, either you are an innocent weirdly fixated on me for no apparent reason...or this is some kind of wolf-ploy.

I don't know whether to take that last sentence as a slip, or just more weirdness.
EDIT: x'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Gil or Morsul. Those are my options. Both are too suspicious right now to be ignored, and it's obvious neither was cleared by Brinn. I'm not sure which to go for though.

I will be voting within the next half hour or so. If you want to try to persuade me one way or the other, now is the time.

[Nerwen]

After some thought I've decided Gil's recent posting looks, on the whole, more like a desperate wolf than an injured innocent.

So-

++Gil

Edit:x'd with Sally and Lottie.

[Loslote]

Personally, I think this Nerwen-Gil drama is almost more interesting than the Brinn drama. Looking at it carefully, then, to see what's going on...

Option 1 is obviously, both Nerwen and Gil are innocents at each other's throats.

Option 2: Nerwen is a wolf, poking and prodding at the obvious lynch choice Gil to make him squirm and look even more guilty, and to make herself look good for participating a lot and for 'hunting wolves'.

Option 3: Gil is a wolf trying to take innocent Nerwen down with him.

Option 4: Gil is a wolf attacking his packmate Nerwen so that whoever survives toDay's lynch looks better for having bussed their packmate.

Now, looking at the other things Gil has done. His three big suspicions - Zil, Nog, and Nerwen - seem odd for a wolf because Zil has been considered generally innocent all game for how he treated Pom and Nerwen and Nog has been suspected lightly, off and on, all game, but never seriously threatened. Were he a wolf fumbling for an innocent to take down with him, I'd think he would have chosen someone like Morsul, who has been suspected heavily all game and nearly lynched a few times. Option 3, then, seems unlikely.

Option 1 seems unlikely, given Brinn's hints.

Option 2 and Option 4 both seem fairly likely to me. Option 2 seems like a repeat of the Nerwen-Rikae kerfluffle yesterDay, and Option 4 is the sort of thing wolf packs do all the time when they know one of their own is doomed. The only thing bothering me with Option 4 is that Nerwen herself actually mentions it in one of her posts, and I don't know if a wolf would bring that possibility to the forefront of people's minds like that.

All in all, then, I continue to find Nerwen suspicious, and I think it's likely Gil is as well.

Finally, I have to work for a few hours today, but I'll be back about an hour before DL. I'll hold my vote until then.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh. Right. I think Nerwen is acting shifty, which means she's innocent. I am rarely wrong about her (or rather, I'm always wrong, which means I'm always right, or something like that). I'll fight any attempt to lynch her toDay.

x'd with Lottie

[Gil-Galad]

In all honesty Nerwen, it is our play styles that don't mesh well and I am starting to feel like Rik here. I am at the point that I would just forfeit the game and be done with it. I am that frustrated.

Am I bitter? Sure I am but not because I am getting lynched. It is because I want to focus on other players. Lynching is part of the game and I accept that.


Just that those who voice for my demise will feel silly that they lynched an innocent. Except for the grinning wolves.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Personally, I think this Nerwen-Gil drama is almost more interesting than the Brinn drama. Looking at it carefully, then, to see what's going on...

Option 1 is obviously, both Nerwen and Gil are innocents at each other's throats.

Option 2: Nerwen is a wolf, poking and prodding at the obvious lynch choice Gil to make him squirm and look even more guilty, and to make herself look good for participating a lot and for 'hunting wolves'.

Except I haven't 'poked' at him any more than anyone else has. He just suddenly started screaming that I was persecuting him- why me rather than others I don't know. See for yourself: the "Nerwen-Gil" drama is of Gil's making, not mine.

Edit:x'd since self.

[A Little Green]

I won't have much time to play toDay I'm afraid, but I'll do my best!

Originally Posted by Cop

And Greenie, presumably your reasons from yesterDay weren't the only ones you had for suspecting Boro. Could you tell us now about what the rest was?

That takes us to the embarrassing part. Basically, I thought you were the Seer and had dreamed him a Wizard. I had considered that a possibility since Day 1 (which was why I didn't vote for you though I found your vote a bit dodgy). That coupled with his odd behaviour yesterDay made me pretty convinced he was a Wizard. I obviously didn't want to say aloud that I thought him a Seer-dreamed baddie; actually I was thinking to stay off him until toDay and if you still weren't dead, drop the issue. But in lack of other decent lynch candidates on the block, and given that he got more blatantly suspicious by the minute, I decided to go with it already yesterDay. A mistake, obviously.

Regarding Brinn: I agree that her Seerishness pretty much clears Rikae. As for Gil and Nog - I'm not sure she dreamed either of them; Gil is a possibility but I don't think Nog is. As in - if she had dreamed a Nogzard, I seriously doubt she would have specifically said that her preferred lynch choice was someone else.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Interestingly, though, she talks about Nogrod as "one to watch" (#187) and says she will "keep an eye on him" (#203). At this point, it looks a lot more like she's planning to dream Nog then Gil.

I feel a bit stupid asking this, but why would a Seer hint beforehand at who she means to dream of? Seems risky to me, and I don't see Brinn as a risk-taking Seer.


EDIT: x-ed with Sally and Nerwen