T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

People have been Day 1 jumpy toDay, misinterpreting posts and accusing others then agreeing to laugh some of it off as jokes. Such exchanges will require examination later, but for now, I have to put priority on who should remain active on this forum.

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Good night, good night. Parting is such sweet sleep time.



EDIT: Oh, that's just bloody typical. Hello, BG. *waves* DL is noted above in my post. I need sleep now. G'night, folks!

Hey, right here dude. And that time thing was sincere. Thus why I'm late.

Edit: I took out the big red ++BG so it's easier for the admins. Also I managed to get the forum time to my time. Yay! Yeah, I'm not being much help, but deal with it. I'll have read through an old game by tomorrow, hopefully, and have figured this stuff out again. I haven't played for 2 years like some of you guys, and the last time I did I got my arse banned

[Blind Guardian]

Hi again.

So from what little there is, I'm gonna go with either Rune or G55 being the Seer, Loslote and/or Boro and/or Satansaloser a Wolf, and either Shasta or Inzil and/or G55 being the Hacker/Cobbler.

So to even it out:

++Rune

Adult Friend Finder, was there ever a more devilish foe? I doubt it, for aren't we all here in an attempt to find friends and likeminded people?

From Rune^

Wolf thinking he's being sneaky or a Hacker trying to find some friends? In the end it came between G55 and Rune, but this evens it out so I'm going with it. And a Wolf is worse than the Hacker right?

Good night folks,
-BG

Edit: Highlighting didn't work.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Legate

Rune isn't being very helpful, at least in the last one, but given the stage and time of the day (resp. night), and that he's sitting here next to me, I'm going to let it pass.

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

Originally Posted by Lottie

She seems like she's being purposefully distracting but doesn't seem dangerous - cobbler, maybe. I get the feeling she's after one of the seer's dreams, so I'd suggest not wasting any on her. That being said, playing the cobbler could be a decent strategy for a wolf, so we shouldn't write her off completely...but I wouldn't waste my energies barking up that particular tree.

I don't like what Lottie says about Galadriel, she is making a reasonable amount of sense, but I really don't like it when people try to give the seer advice... So yeah, I guess I am slightly suspicious of Lottie.

About voting:

I sort of want to vote Lottie, but I also want to stay alive. Voting for Morsul or BG, seems to be the best strategy, if I wish to be around after this upcomming deadline. I am however reluctant to vote BG, purely because I am a soft-hearted man, and think she deserves a bit more playing time.

So I will probably vote for Morsul very soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Morsul

Soft hearted, self-preservation...

[Nerwen]

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1 hour to DL.

Tally:

Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro
Loslote —> Blind Guardian
Kitanna —> Morsul
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2)
Rune —> Morsul (2)

Left to vote: G55, Legate, Boro, Shasta.

There is a 3-way tie between BG, Rune and Morsul. Under the tie-breaker rules (see admin thread) this means that, currently, BG’s is the virtual head in the electronic noose.

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[Shastanis Althreduin]

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:

++Morsul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so good to see some activity, even though neither for the subjects heading now for the lynch seem suspicious to me.

I agree BG's votes are probably deserved for the non-activity, and I disagree with her(his?) interpretation of Morsul, but there's nothing that would really speak to innocence or guilt.

Rune could be or could not be innocent, I can't say from his posts.

As for Morsul, I think he is being his typical self. Probably. I won't be voting him toDay, at least, until I see more of him, because he has the habit of getting lynched for just being himself.

Boro did not post virtually (ha, ha, ha!) anything. Like some others, I did not really get what did Zil find about it that seemed like hint, but whatever.

Zil himself is maybe a bit worrying, but not more than usually.

Kitanna - analyzing a lot, could be also setting somebody up (such as sally), but with this few posts I can't say for sure. Maybe G55 has also something in saying that she's a bit avoiding the heat.

About others I spoke also a bit before... practically nobody is very special in any case.

Hmm, and now as I am writing this, I see that Shasta has voted. I really don't think Morsul is the way to go. Now the question is whether I should make a blind shot and vote either BG or Rune. Personally, if speaking objectively and about "non-participation", maybe I would even have preferred Boro on the basis of "justice", but there isn't really anything concrete to go with.

Hmm. Rune generally seems to me more shady (feeling me that I should be more careful to pay attention to him, since he may be up to something), while BG is a more wild stab, but at the same point more "unknown" and I am afraid it would remain so even in the future (based on how little I remember about him/her from the past games). So maybe actually in terms of "clarifying", and given that neither of the picks is my favourite, BG might be better.

Going to check the thread and then vote..

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Loslote

++BG

Brilliant vote. Juuuuust brilliant. You may as well have abstained.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Another one? Sally, what kinda vote is that? That's an out-of game reason for one thing. Also, your metareasoning contradicts itself. If she were important would, IMO, include being a wolf. And isn't your real best bet going for someone you suspect, even if it's on a vibe feeling, and NOT someone you have no clue about? Sally, sally. You've just shot up to the upper levels of my suspect list.

Maybe I'm making a fly of an elephant (what's the English version of that?... Mountain out of a molehill?), but I'm very cross and this is a pretty sketchy vote to say the least. Sketchier than Lottie's too because it's a piggyback with a very bad reason.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

So from what little there is, I'm gonna go with either Rune or G55 being the Seer, Loslote and/or Boro and/or Satansaloser a Wolf, and either Shasta or Inzil and/or G55 being the Hacker/Cobbler.

Excuse me, are you voting for someone you're considering a Gifted? And it's probably a better idea to keep your gifted thoughts to yourself. The wolves read everything you post same as the village.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

Rune, you did say some things, but you were very uninteractive. It was like having a one-way conversation. It doesn't work. You made your comments but you didn't reply to others' comments on you. I share Legate's thought on this, cause it was annoying me a bit that when you showed up last time you barely interacted and disappeared. You are still doing that now, btw.




At the moment, though sally is my preferred vote choice,

++RUNE

because as I've said numerous times I don't find Morsul suspicious, and although I have no clue about BG I'm extremely cross at the two votes she's got and will definitely not get a third.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:++Morsul

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm not sure where your suspicion of Shasta is coming from.
Because Rune says "ooo Legate is suspicious (but not really suspicious) because I'm not throwing accusations around or anything, but rule clarification can be used as a smokescreen"
Then Shasta says "I think because of the narration there's probably two bots" which looked to me like an interpretation and not trying to lull anyone into any sense of security. Because if we manage to take down two bots and the game is still on, well we just play as we have always played until we find the third. Shasta's statement didn't seem nefarious or lully to me at all.

Firstly, I totally didn't know about the multi quote thing AWESOME.

Secondly, TO start from the end and work backward to answer Kitanna If there are two bots we have a smidge of leeway on wrong lynches so if we think there are two but there's three we could be a tad careless.

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much

For my part I read this as "...they all look innocent, except BG, because she..." which I read as you finding suspicion in her absence. Like Sally (I believe though I could be remembering wrong) who said it was odd BG made a point to ask for a game start reminder in the admin thread, but was mysteriously absent.

Edit: fixing a typo, now bedtime for real

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Hey, right here dude. And that time thing was sincere. Thus why I'm late.

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

On to posts I haven't had sitting in open tabs since yesterday, it seems Rune wasn't the right choice either, but perhaps toDay we'll get it right.

I have some work I need to complete before this afternoon, but I hope to return after that and give Dun's posts a good look. I honestly suspect the bots went for someone who wouldn't raise flags, but perhaps Dun left clues of some sort.

I'm off for now, but will be back later. Leave me many wonderful things to read.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Also hope his arm is Ok.

Thankfully, Rune voiced the wish to break my legs instead, so I can still type.

That said, I don't know what to make of the fact that the deaths so far, even with the relatively low number of people in the village, are ordos. At least regarding the Night kill, at least it wasn't a Gifted. Which, however, probably was what the WWs wanted to happen.

I agree with what has been already said, that the WWs obviously have the main objective to kill someone who looks like Seer. How exactly Zil would have been seen as such is a question to explore, if we can gain something for it (personally, I would also side with Kitanna's theory #1 rather than theory #2, however these probably are not the only possibilities). Just as a remark, let us remember, however, that there are probably - especially in a village so small - some secondary concerns. A relatively small concern is probably not wishing to kill their own Hacker; a much bigger and more important one, given the small numbers in this community, is not to kill the Hunter and get killed in the process. Just something that we have to take into account when considering the Bots' motives - if they had, for example, several of possibilities, they likely picked those which seemed safer.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

Morsul is Morsul, and if anything, then I would find him more likely to be a Bot (actually, toDay he's been quite contributive and thoughtful in a pretty clear way, almost unusually so, so if he was supposed to be anything, I'd even be inclined to think him a Bot rather than Hacker). G55, however, I agree a bit yesterDay, and toDay too, has a kind of... "unruly manner" to her. On rereading (and I did it yesterDay and did it also with toDay's post of hers after reading everything, exactly to compare with yesterDay's experience), what she says makes sense and I can imagine her saying that genuinely, but the first impressions are just somewhat making me wary, feeling-wise, and I am not sure what to make of that. I am watching her, but rather undecided at the moment.

Originally Posted by Boro

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

I second this, or at least this time. If it comes to seeing somebody "evil", then I support the lynch just to be sure. In this small village, the danger of evil joining forces is really too great, and even then there's always the chance one lets slip a Bot dismissing it as "just Hacker". So yes, let's simply vote for whoever we think is evil. We can lose much more bickering about that.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I am very aware that my style makes me an easy target, as such I'm wary when people protect me, as it gives the baddies an easy lynch at a more critical time.

This is about the first thing that actually worries me about Morsul, although it is also true (and a big warning exclamation mark should follow). However, it could also be a clever way to dodge future suspicion. The second thing that sort-of disturbed me when reading this post of his was his somewhat ambiguous handling of Shasta:

Originally Posted by Morsul

Shasta: Put me in the lead. But could be an innocent hoping for the best or a bot looking for an easy target

But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

I also realise I don't have very much opinion about Kitanna at the moment. But then again, her big post toDay was practically weighing stuff... Well, looking forward to see more from other people toDay, and will be around later.

[Morsul the Dark]

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

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But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

So much for objective.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Just watch me. Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head.

I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*

That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

Am I the only one that things it would be a great idea to use random banter and acting to hide a seer dream? I'm going to be watching out for G55, but hopefully for good reasons. That said...

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

Maybe she is the cobbler?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Bizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.

And G55's reply:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it.

I think she's hiding something.

I'll be back later, I just thought I'd voice what has jumped out at me so far, my computer demands some attention.

Okay one more thing...

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Just a short remarc from me before i sign off [...] remarc.

*REMARK!

[Morsul the Dark]

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.

All I'm doing is voicing my thoughts - something that you've also done by voicing your opinion that Shasta may be a seer.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

I at least gave reason for my suspicion. Do tell us what you've found, Morsul, you know, if you're allowed?

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

This reasoning makes me think Sally is up to no good. Lottie voted BG too because at time BG was the only one who hadn't voted, which is flimsy, but Sally's "I wouldn't have voted for you if you posted before my vote" is eyebrow raising. Who would you have voted for if BG posted before your vote? This was a vote that put BG in the lead. This seems like a bold move, but I wouldn't put it past a Sally-bot.

[Morsul the Dark]

I want to be back before DL but can't guarantee it, I tried to stay up to give more people a chance to post but not much movement...

++Shasta

Like I said I'm working with a hint I'm about 75-85% sure about. Hope I'm right. I can't really say much more for fear of pinging anyone for the bots.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

Okay, I've had to delete what I want to say about five times now, because it's coming out really catty. Morsul, look past the fact that I voted you and actually READ WHAT I SAID.

Edit: X'ed with Kitanna. Please, point out to me where I said "BG is suspicious", because I never said that and having words put in my mouth by two different people is really, really annoying.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

Originally Posted by Shasta

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything.

How could I be suspicious of BG? She wasn't even here to be suspicious of!

[Loslote]

++Morsul
++BG

Just on principle, mind. I've given myself a headache from facepalming over you two, and I'm waiting for it to die down before I try and get an actual opinion on either of you. Just...stop with the gifteds, stop trying to be mysterious, stop pulling rabbits out of hats and calling them theories.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game

You are my favorite person.

On another note, I've had a really long first day back in classes, and I need to go to sleep soon, so I'm afraid toDay is not going to see an awful lot of me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

There, there, darling. I see exactly what you said, and I agree with you. It's not saying, "BG is suspicious because she's in a different category as everyone else," so much as saying, "No one is suspicious, except BG, but that's because she's not even here." Except actually saying that, rather than kind of saying that.

That paragraph got away from me.

*nuzzles Shasta*

Morsul, on the other hand, does have some explaining to do, for this post, in which he implies he's picked up on a seer hint that incriminates Shasta but doesn't want to point it out. You realize of course that the bots can now find the seer more easily, even without your hint about the hint you found?

It bothers me that Morsul didn't try to build a case (even a flimsy one) against Shasta beforehand, but instead put it right out there that he found a seer hint implicating the lad. It almost would bother me more if he turns out innocent than it would if it turns out he's guilty, because I can't think of why any innocent would think to betray a gifted like that.

Also, Kitanna suspects BG and then votes me for my "suspicious" vote of BG. Iiiiiiiiiinteresting indeed. I don't like the deflection there, especially since BG has in fact been acting off.

On that note, I'll certainly offer a brief explanation. I was operating under a similar thought process that Lottie and, to some extent, Shasta were. When you don't see a suspicious character among you, you suspect the one you don't see. Well, not suspect, really, given that she wasn't there to be suspected, as Shasta said, but this sums up my vote nicely.

Originally Posted by me

I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

Another point of interest entirely is the following vote post from Legate, which doesn't sit right with me at all.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, okay. I feel really bad because a) I haven't played with Rune for a long time, b) I really don't think he is that suspicious that he would deserve a vote (but nobody is), c) Rune is still here at Finlandmoot for one day, so I just hope I get off with it without having arms broken as repayment... Then again, hopefully this game will be short so we can interact soon in some other game, and even more hopefully he is just a Bot.

++Rune

Let's hope for the best.

The jocular tone of this is just fine. However, the fact that he goes out of his way to point out that Rune is suspicious *and* that "hopefully he is just a Bot" doesn't seem like the way the real Legate would explain such a vote. It's mostly gut instinct, but it's such a strong instinct that I can't ignore it. His question about the rules, and then the fact that he happened to vote Rune after Rune called him on said question about the rules, also makes bells tingle.

Oh, wait. That's my alarm clock going off, or rather the thought of my alarm clock going off in a few short hours. Time to summarize then.

My top suspects are Legate, Morsul, and Kit, more or less in that order. I also think BG is acting far too wacky to be an ordo, though everyone's clanging so loudly about her that I'm not sure if those are my own bells I'm hearing go off or if I'm merely hearing echoes.

I've a few brief things to do before bed, but I'll be voting soon.

[Kitanna]

Final thoughts, vote, then bed:
G55: I thought she might be the hacker based on yesterday's posts. Today I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward innocent, with no hacker traits

Morsul: been speaking mostly sense. I had a vad feeling about him yesterday and today even though I've read his posts and Shasta's I'm still not sure what exactly he thinks is so suspicious about Shasta. I'm wary of Morsul, but not enough to vote that way a second day ina row.

Shasta: The only odd thing is his vote. Says BG is suspicious, but votes Morsul, otherwise there's not much there. Closer attention to be paid though.

Boro, Lottie, Legate: No idea. With the exception of Boro's post about the hacker lynching none have said anything that stood out.

BG: I'm annoyed at your the gifted comments. I don't think BG is a bot though, the gifted hints are just too reckless for a bot.

Sally: Her vote just doesn't sit right with me. The placement pushed BG ahead and her reasoning/explanation raised a red flag.

++Sally

I'm done. Typing these posts via phone is too much effort.