T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Legate

Rune isn't being very helpful, at least in the last one, but given the stage and time of the day (resp. night), and that he's sitting here next to me, I'm going to let it pass.

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

Originally Posted by Lottie

She seems like she's being purposefully distracting but doesn't seem dangerous - cobbler, maybe. I get the feeling she's after one of the seer's dreams, so I'd suggest not wasting any on her. That being said, playing the cobbler could be a decent strategy for a wolf, so we shouldn't write her off completely...but I wouldn't waste my energies barking up that particular tree.

I don't like what Lottie says about Galadriel, she is making a reasonable amount of sense, but I really don't like it when people try to give the seer advice... So yeah, I guess I am slightly suspicious of Lottie.

About voting:

I sort of want to vote Lottie, but I also want to stay alive. Voting for Morsul or BG, seems to be the best strategy, if I wish to be around after this upcomming deadline. I am however reluctant to vote BG, purely because I am a soft-hearted man, and think she deserves a bit more playing time.

So I will probably vote for Morsul very soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Morsul

Soft hearted, self-preservation...

[Nerwen]

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1 hour to DL.

Tally:

Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro
Loslote —> Blind Guardian
Kitanna —> Morsul
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2)
Rune —> Morsul (2)

Left to vote: G55, Legate, Boro, Shasta.

There is a 3-way tie between BG, Rune and Morsul. Under the tie-breaker rules (see admin thread) this means that, currently, BG’s is the virtual head in the electronic noose.

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[Shastanis Althreduin]

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:

++Morsul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so good to see some activity, even though neither for the subjects heading now for the lynch seem suspicious to me.

I agree BG's votes are probably deserved for the non-activity, and I disagree with her(his?) interpretation of Morsul, but there's nothing that would really speak to innocence or guilt.

Rune could be or could not be innocent, I can't say from his posts.

As for Morsul, I think he is being his typical self. Probably. I won't be voting him toDay, at least, until I see more of him, because he has the habit of getting lynched for just being himself.

Boro did not post virtually (ha, ha, ha!) anything. Like some others, I did not really get what did Zil find about it that seemed like hint, but whatever.

Zil himself is maybe a bit worrying, but not more than usually.

Kitanna - analyzing a lot, could be also setting somebody up (such as sally), but with this few posts I can't say for sure. Maybe G55 has also something in saying that she's a bit avoiding the heat.

About others I spoke also a bit before... practically nobody is very special in any case.

Hmm, and now as I am writing this, I see that Shasta has voted. I really don't think Morsul is the way to go. Now the question is whether I should make a blind shot and vote either BG or Rune. Personally, if speaking objectively and about "non-participation", maybe I would even have preferred Boro on the basis of "justice", but there isn't really anything concrete to go with.

Hmm. Rune generally seems to me more shady (feeling me that I should be more careful to pay attention to him, since he may be up to something), while BG is a more wild stab, but at the same point more "unknown" and I am afraid it would remain so even in the future (based on how little I remember about him/her from the past games). So maybe actually in terms of "clarifying", and given that neither of the picks is my favourite, BG might be better.

Going to check the thread and then vote..

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I agree BG's votes are probably deserved for the non-activity, ...

Deserved, yes, but what about the flip side of the coin? Am I the only one who finds those votes extremely wrong in that they defy the point of voting on D1 even without any clear suspicions? (That's a question for everyone, not specifically Legate; he was just the last to post about it). Lottie's is a copout and the closest thing to not voting, and that after all the talk prior about voting even if your suspicion is ridiculous. Sally gives a reason for her vote, but it's a bad reason (even D1 speaking) and a suspicious vote. I have no idea about BG's guilt or innocence, but just looking at the votes she's received makes my warning lights beep. Am I the only one who sees these votes this way?

Edit: xed since my last

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Loslote

++BG

Brilliant vote. Juuuuust brilliant. You may as well have abstained.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

While I'm not sure it points to her guilt, I find it strange that BG suggested Nerwen remind other players about the start of the game, yet she hasn't shown up herself. It's 4.5 hours before the DL and she's not yet shown up, which I think means she likely won't be here at all. As much as I hate to risk lynching someone when they're not around, I do think she'd have made a point to pop in if she were "important" in the forum. If anything, at least we won't be losing anyone who has contributed thus far....

++BG

And with that, I'm gone for the night. BG, if you do show up and you're innocent, I do hope you manage to swing the ban hammer in a better direction, but at this point I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Another one? Sally, what kinda vote is that? That's an out-of game reason for one thing. Also, your metareasoning contradicts itself. If she were important would, IMO, include being a wolf. And isn't your real best bet going for someone you suspect, even if it's on a vibe feeling, and NOT someone you have no clue about? Sally, sally. You've just shot up to the upper levels of my suspect list.

Maybe I'm making a fly of an elephant (what's the English version of that?... Mountain out of a molehill?), but I'm very cross and this is a pretty sketchy vote to say the least. Sketchier than Lottie's too because it's a piggyback with a very bad reason.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

So from what little there is, I'm gonna go with either Rune or G55 being the Seer, Loslote and/or Boro and/or Satansaloser a Wolf, and either Shasta or Inzil and/or G55 being the Hacker/Cobbler.

Excuse me, are you voting for someone you're considering a Gifted? And it's probably a better idea to keep your gifted thoughts to yourself. The wolves read everything you post same as the village.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Maybe not very helpful, but better than staying quiet.

Rune, you did say some things, but you were very uninteractive. It was like having a one-way conversation. It doesn't work. You made your comments but you didn't reply to others' comments on you. I share Legate's thought on this, cause it was annoying me a bit that when you showed up last time you barely interacted and disappeared. You are still doing that now, btw.




At the moment, though sally is my preferred vote choice,

++RUNE

because as I've said numerous times I don't find Morsul suspicious, and although I have no clue about BG I'm extremely cross at the two votes she's got and will definitely not get a third.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Nerwen]

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Half an hour to DL.

Updated tally:

Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro
Loslote —> Blind Guardian
Kitanna —> Morsul
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta —> Morsul (3)
G55 —> Rune (3)

Left to vote: Legate, Boro.

There is now a tie between Morsul and Rune, with Morsul the current lynchee under the tie-breaker rule.

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[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Interesting post from G55. Quite strong-opinioned, but seems pretty genuine, I quite like it. I agree with lot she says, including about the two votes for BG - I had similar feelings at first, although then again, on Day 1 I can understand people vote randomly. The thing is, it is quite unlikely the two doing them would be Wolves - that'd be just so random, and the only logical explanation for them doing so would be them being three and their mate being already threatened, which is still rather weird scenario, because there would be still so many other possible lynches... So certainly I would not see a concerted evil plan in it. But I agree I have seen better reasoning.

That still says nothing about that if I am to pick one out of the wannabe-lynchees, BG might be the best option ("best"), though Rune would go as well. I would just have preferred to see more from him still.

Okay, gotta think for a second, see if I crossposted with anyone or such, then vote...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is Boro around at all? It would be also interesting to give all power to him and make it a three-way tie (then his vote would say something about him), but if he's not around, then it doesn't make any sense...

Truth be told, I really find it more likely Rune being a Wolf than Morsul.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I agree with lot she says, including about the two votes for BG - I had similar feelings at first, although then again, on Day 1 I can understand people vote randomly. The thing is, it is quite unlikely the two doing them would be Wolves - that'd be just so random, and the only logical explanation for them doing so would be them being three and their mate being already threatened, which is still rather weird scenario, because there would be still so many other possible lynches... So certainly I would not see a concerted evil plan in it. But I agree I have seen better reasoning.

I don't see a concentrated wolf plan in that either. As you say, if both are wolves, they could have piggybacked on a different subject. But then all these scenarios come into my head where either one or both are wolves, and I decided it's too early both in the game and in the morning to assuradly accuse anyone of wolvery. Suspicious - definitely, but I'll wait with the wolf theories.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Voting Boro would give me a bit of a chuckle, but I'm not that much of an anarchist at present. The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything. I'd really like to vote Sally, honestly - I can't remember ever seeing an innocent Sally go after the absent player (keep in mind it's late and I'm tired and haven't played in forever) but it's really a moot point in any case since is rather not split the vote any farther.

Very well. I'm uncomfortable voting for BG now that she's shown up (but I had better see some participation tomorrow!) and of Morsul and Rune, I've seen more from Moraul that was even remotely radar-pinging, so:++Morsul

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I'm not sure where your suspicion of Shasta is coming from.
Because Rune says "ooo Legate is suspicious (but not really suspicious) because I'm not throwing accusations around or anything, but rule clarification can be used as a smokescreen"
Then Shasta says "I think because of the narration there's probably two bots" which looked to me like an interpretation and not trying to lull anyone into any sense of security. Because if we manage to take down two bots and the game is still on, well we just play as we have always played until we find the third. Shasta's statement didn't seem nefarious or lully to me at all.

Firstly, I totally didn't know about the multi quote thing AWESOME.

Secondly, TO start from the end and work backward to answer Kitanna If there are two bots we have a smidge of leeway on wrong lynches so if we think there are two but there's three we could be a tad careless.

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul.

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

Yes, while I agree in general, I'm not so certain when I look at the stats -

9 living players total.

3 gifteds, 1 cobbler.

5 ordos + wolves.

Assuming worst case scenario: 3 wolves, no wolf lynches, no Ranger saves
D2 - 8 total; 3 wolves, 5 innocents
N3 - 7 players total; 3 wolves, 4 innocents
D3 - 6 players; 3 wolves, 3 innocents. Wolves win.

We only have 2 Days to change the scales. Yes, you can say that maybe there'll be a save, and we'll get a wolf, and maybe there are less wolves, but the thing is, if there isn't there won't be any miracle either. As I've said back in the beginning of D1, I'll join in on the hoping, but don't rely on it.

So where was I going with this? Ah. The cobbler. In general, I agree 100% that a cobbler must go too. But the cobbler also counts as an innocent in the tally. We don't have much room for wiggling, so if I see someone with wolvish behaviour I'd go for that one instead of a cobbler.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

[CENTER]“Ooops...” the spectral voice whispered.

O spectral voice! Ere you are gone into the realm of mysteries.... erm, Rune too.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

Speaking of that, yes - can you please explain your vote yesterDay?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Am I the only one that things it would be a great idea to use random banter and acting to hide a seer dream? I'm going to be watching out for G55, but hopefully for good reasons. That said...

Alright. I am the Seer.

Is that true, considering that just yesterDay I revealed as a wolf the exact same way? Are you going to believe me?

The answer, by the way, is supposed to be: NO, even regardless of what I said yesterDay. Incidentally, I am also the Ranger, Cobbler, and Ordo. All at once. Maybe a bit of Hunter as well. Don't be surprised.

For the second time, BG, don't talk aloud of your gifted suspicions. Even if they prove incorrect, they still nudge the wolves towards finding one or more of them. Go one exploring potential hints, but keep your thoughts silent.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us.

The last one is more likely. And for goodness sakes, STOP WITH THE GIFTEDS!

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

If there are two bots we have a smidge of leeway on wrong lynches so if we think there are two but there's three we could be a tad careless.

My thoughts exactly.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

For the second time, BG, don't talk aloud of your gifted suspicions. Even if they prove incorrect, they still nudge the wolves towards finding one or more of them. Go one exploring potential hints, but keep your thoughts silent.
The last one is more likely. And for goodness sakes, STOP WITH THE GIFTEDS!

Umm, I didn't even think about it. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Kitanna

This is response to Morsul's response that was in response to your post that G55 is "something"

Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

I didn't think it was a bad thing I'm sorry. I'm gonna go sit in the naughty corner now...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

You know what I find absolutely hilarious? I didn't know this game was happening until way past midnight. And now everyone hates me. I feel like such a troll. /sarcasm/

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?

Yes.

Here and caught up.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Alright. I am the Seer.

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

[Blind Guardian]

I just read through all of G55's posts on the first 3 pages. Okay, she's said she was the seer twice and a wolf 1 1/2 times and maybe even the cobbler (because she does what she says someone else does). When I call her a seer she admits to being the seer, then get's protective, and then gets mad. Then her next two double posts she tries to chew me up and admits to being angry at my post.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am a wolf.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Alright. I am the Seer.

Is that true, considering that just yesterDay I revealed as a wolf the exact same way? Are you going to believe me?

The answer, by the way, is supposed to be: NO, even regardless of what I said yesterDay. Incidentally, I am also the Ranger, Cobbler, and Ordo. All at once. Maybe a bit of Hunter as well. Don't be surprised.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Just watch me. Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head.
I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*
That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

You're right, G55, I don't believe you. If you didn't say anything at all I would still be thinking you are the seer but now I'm truly not sure. The only way we could find out would be to lynch you, and we couldn't take the chance at this point that you might really be the seer and not just a wolf trying to help another wolf by taking the attention off of them.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take a look at Morsul's posts because he was the almost-lynchee.

Edit: x-ed with a LOT of people...

Edited again for misspellings and added some stuff to avoid confusion.

[Kitanna]

I think the nasty weather has finally knocked out my internet. I had hoped to do some analyses of yesterday, but doesn't seem probable since I have to post from my phone. Be prepared for a whole lot of short posts over the next hour.

[Galadriel55]

My suspicion list doesn't seem to need too much updating, but just for the record -
Galadriel55 - still the lovely me
Sally - really don't like her vote yesterDay. Waiting for an explanation.
Legate - no bad vibes, but feeling a bit... agreeable. It was there yesterDay as well, now that I think about it. Not necessarily evil, but worth investigating.
Kitanna - no change at all from yesterDay, but I can sympathise with the bad weather - we got our electricity knocked out for several days last week, and heavy frosts this week - so I will probably give her a pass for toDay. I think she deserves a chance to read and post properly, so unless something will really ping my radar she's not on the vote list.
Boromir88 - I. Don't. Know. I don't like the way he talks about Cobbler lynches; it makes me think he's subtly redirecting attention from a potential wolf to a potential cobbler. Coupled with Inzil's vote, he doesn't look fantastic. But I want to hear more from him before passing judgement.
Blind Guardian - just stop talking about gifteds, will you? Maybe evil, maybe not, but seriously, if you don't stop mentioning your gifted hints I'm either going to think you're a wolf and thus don't care, or a cobbler eager to help.
Loslote - in school.
Morsul the Dark - still don't see him as suspicious.
Shasta - a mna mnum. Mushy. I don't know. Hasn't shown up yet, right? Day2 Opinion delayed.

EDIT: xed with Kit

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much

For my part I read this as "...they all look innocent, except BG, because she..." which I read as you finding suspicion in her absence. Like Sally (I believe though I could be remembering wrong) who said it was odd BG made a point to ask for a game start reminder in the admin thread, but was mysteriously absent.

Edit: fixing a typo, now bedtime for real