T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?

Morsul, I am a girl.

Sorry for not voting last night, I fell asleep while reading... Here and rereading everything now.

Tell me it's not a coincidence that I've been redirected to the Adult Friend Finder website today?

[Morsul the Dark]

SO um... What happened with Sally? yesterday I know she was a bit odd... But not lynch odd.

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.

[Morsul the Dark]

So we have

a hacker
a seer
a hunter
two(or three) bots
and two(or one) Ordo...

Well isn't this dandy...

Innocent-

Shasta
Morsul

Trust
G55

hacker-BG(I think)

rest of everyone is in the I dunno category.

SO let's at the votes:

5 people voted for Sally.

those 5 people are still alive

I voted Shasta on the theory I have zero faith in now and BG didn't vote

so well that was helpful.

Boro and Legate pushed her over the edge though being the last two on the wagon sooo they look the worst. Not by much though...

Now basically we all have to agree on the next lynch and hope it's right because we're getting to that scary part of the game where bots bandwagonning is easy.

[Blind Guardian]

Current Living:
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Current Dead:
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave)


Day One votes (italics = dead):
Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro (Because of possible Hacker hint)
Loslote —> Blind Guardian (Because I wasn't there)
Kitanna —> Morsul (Because of a gut feeling)
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2) (Again, because I wasn't there)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2) (Self-preservation, mainly [how many times have I died on Day One now?], and at the time he seemed to be the best bet.)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta --> Morsul (3) (Something that was radar pinging?)
G55 --> Rune (3) (Wanted to vote Sally)
Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)

RESULT: Rune lynched - Ordo


Day Two:


Okay I have to go right now so I will finish this in another post later.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)
.

similar to yesterday now that you mention it... or Day two however you want to say it...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, maybe I just am.

Unfortunately, I have no wolves to offer you. What I can give you is names of people not to lynch.

However, I really want to see the interactions before I give them away. On the other hand, I'll only be home at 10pm GMT-5, and I don't want people to vote before I do that. I am debating between revealing them now and revealing them then. If you have suggestions, I'm still here for about 10 minutes before I leave.

Okay, very interesting in any case. I agree that we should not, humm, be hasty, and Boro and Kitanna speak sense in that way. But yes, sure. G55's plan is sound. If she is a real Seer, by all means, let her present us with something later on.

Let me just count it - we have seven people in total. One Seer, one Hunter, one Hacker, and two or three Wolves. That leaves one or two Ordos. Personally, I'd be more inclined to believe in one ordo and two Wolves, since three would be really deadly. But let's see...

Worst case scenario: G55 is a Hacker and there are 3 Wolves, they vote together and win. Ergo, I would have expected to happen it already if it was that way, even though given the "liveliness" of this village, as nobody seems to be posting much...

Another bad case scenario: there are two Wolves only and G55 is a Hacker. Therefore, G55 has no idea who are innocents and Wolves, therefore, if she wants to impersonate Seer, she will have to make up random names. That's why she leaves it all for later, since a) either real Seer panicks and reveals, therefore WWs can kill the Seer next time, or b) people will expose her and lynch her and she will at least die heroically for the WW's cause. It would mean in any case drastically reducing the chances of winning. Now that we don't have a Ranger, the only thing left to rely on is the Hunter, and otherwise it is very much down to lynching a baddie toDay. 7 people -> if we mislynch, 6 people -> if the WWs don't manage to get the Hunter and get killed, 5 people next Day -> showdown.

Good case scenario: G55 is genuinely a Seer and I can imagine it being so as well, then hopefully we can get some names toDay...

Well, in either case, if G55 is good, it is in her best interest to really tell us the names of the innocents ASAP after she comes home, also because this village is so quiet that it's actually counterproductive to the attempt of figuring anything out of dialogue. And if we learn the names of the innocents too late, then a real Seer cannot disprove them, if there is one, and given the amount of people in the village, that's bad.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?

This just rings "bad" to me, because while G55 was obviously using (whether she actually is a real Seer or not) her previous quote as sort of random reference, not as proof (the proof was her revelation itself), BG is taking this as "serious" thing, which is somewhat eyebrow-raising at least for me.

However, there is something to this, although on a subtler level than BG puts it - rather one could ask the question, would G55 really have made such posts earlier if she were a Seer? Then again, Seer needs to hide his tracks as well, so as not to be found too early, and thus may even post stuff that a Seer would never post (such as hiding that in the banter that followed in G55's post in question, with her saying "I am also an Ordo, a Cobbler... etc...")

Originally Posted by BG

Morsul, I am a girl.

Now I just had this image of Morsul and BG being wolves and staging this... random and awful idea.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.

Now that we are at it, and people don't seem to be posting much, care to clarify in any way, or is it still too "hot topic"?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)

And I am a he. It was a choice between Morsul and Rune, and I picked Rune because I believed Morsul to be innocent more than I believed Rune to be.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

similar to yesterday now that you mention it... or Day two however you want to say it...

Yes, it defintely was. In both Days, I came back for the last hour and was basically left with the already existing votes to pick from, and wasn't very happy with either (or did not have much idea who to vote), and was waiting for several (four, if I'm not mistaken) people to come and vote, and they did not seem to be around for really long time, if at all (G55 was, but Boro appeared rather out of nowhere and BG did not vote at all), so I went with someone who could at least get lynched, and truth be told, I was influenced by what G55 said about sally.

Well, that's it. All that said, I was at work during the first part of the Day, and it was nice not to have to read too many posts when I came, but still, a bit more would be nice... Also, I have to go to sleep soon again and then I'll be back only before DL, so... here we go. Still around for a while though, hope I at least x-posted with someone.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And I haven't. How ridiculous. Okay, let me just hang around for a while, and try to figure out something on my own based on voting and all, and to go through list of people once again to try to pinpoint who might be a Wolf...

[Morsul the Dark]

OK BG actually saw the same post I did from G55I thought she posted Shasta's sig on page one as a bot hint. Like "Shasta's sig used as spam, Shasta is a spammer.."

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But I'm also getting this feeling you're what I've suspected all along, and that is the traitor hacker who now notices the good time to sacrifice yourself and try to draw out the real seer while you're at it. If this is the case, than I'm going to be kicking myself for not being around more often to make sure you were lynched as soon as possible. And for trying to convince myself "Oh come on Boro, you've been the seer and acted like the cobbler before, it's actually very good cover for a seer. Hold off and don't blow her cover."

You won't be kicking yourself. That is, unless you're a wolf.

Knowing that a "keep your head low and your behaviour conventional" technique rarely works for me, so I tried the more risky one.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Didn't you also admit to being the Cobbler and Wolf and everything else this game? And you expect us to trust you now?

Yes. The past reveals were quite clearly jokes, even if you could watch for hints in some of them. Not any really, they were just fun stuff I wanted to do. Heck, I revealed as the Seer and the wolves didn't go for me! How many times does that happen? Anyways, though, this reveal was quite dead serious, and if you didn't think so before, I'm making it clear now.

Originally Posted by BG

Tell me it's not a coincidence that I've been redirected to the Adult Friend Finder website today?

I was hoping for some Fiend Finder, to be honest, but Friend Finder it is for me.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

...would G55 really have made such posts earlier if she were a Seer? Then again, Seer needs to hide his tracks as well, so as not to be found too early, and thus may even post stuff that a Seer would never post (such as hiding that in the banter that followed in G55's post in question, with her saying "I am also an Ordo, a Cobbler... etc...")

It's surprisingly fun to play reverse psychology. I never tried it t this extent before, and I must say I rather like it.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

OK BG actually saw the same post I did from G55I thought she posted Shasta's sig on page one as a bot hint. Like "Shasta's sig used as spam, Shasta is a spammer.."

Wow, really? I must be more careful with my hints then. I picked two sigs from current players (cause that's what quite a few spammers do), and one of them was Shasta's claivoyant powers sig. Failed hint.

I will pause for now before I get on with my reading so if people are around they have time to respond/ask questions/whatever.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Legate

This just rings "bad" to me, because while G55 was obviously using (whether she actually is a real Seer or not) her previous quote as sort of random reference, not as proof (the proof was her revelation itself), BG is taking this as "serious" thing, which is somewhat eyebrow-raising at least for me.

I find that quote interesting because BG also said

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Also the nightkill makes me pretty much sure that my theory from yesterday was wrong. So Shasta is back on my nice list.

Originally Posted by Morsul Yesterday

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

Can you shade some light on these hints now? Or will you just keep quiet until we discover if G55 is seer or not?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I find that quote interesting because BG also said

Hmm. Yes, well, care to elaborate what exactly you think about it, then?

(I am still going through people's posts earlier and preparing a summary-ish thing)

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Hmm. Yes, well, care to elaborate what exactly you think about it, then?

I got the impression BG thought G55 looked more gifted than hackery. She said G55 was something (including hacker) but the way I read her posts she seemed more convinced of a gifted role. Now when G55 makes a reveal BG asks why we should trust her.

[Blind Guardian]

Current Living:
Galadriel55
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88
Blind Guardian
Morsul the Dark
Shasta


Current Dead:
Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder.
Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers.
Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.)
Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.)
Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave)


Day One votes (italics = dead):
Morsul —> Rune
Inziladun —> Boro (Because of possible Hacker hint)
Loslote —> Blind Guardian (Because I wasn't there)
Kitanna —> Morsul (Because of a gut feeling)
Sally —> Blind Guardian (2) (Again, because I wasn't there)
Blind Guardian —> Rune (2) (Self-preservation, mainly [how many times have I died on Day One now?], and at the time he seemed to be the best bet.)
Rune —> Morsul (2)
Shasta --> Morsul (3) (Something that was radar pinging?)
G55 --> Rune (3) (Wanted to vote Sally)
Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.)

Note: Boro didn't vote

RESULT: Rune lynched - Ordo
WOLF KILLED: Inziladun


Day Two (italics = dead):
Morsul --> Shasta (No reason, just some "hint")
Kit --> Sally (1) (Doesn't like Sally's reasoning for voting for me)
Loslote (This is Lottie right?) --> Morsul (1) (Wanted to vote for Morsul and I; voted Morsul because he was mysterious and threw out gifted hints)
Satansaloser2005 (this is Sally right?) --> Legate
Shasta --> Sally (2) (She was between Lottie and Sally, no reason given it seems.)
Legate --> Sally (3) (Didn't like Sally's vote the day before [?])
G55 --> Sally (4) (Didn't like how Sally was behaving towards Morsul and I, thought she was suspicious)
Boro --> Sally (5) (Didn't like Sally's votes)

Note: I (BG) didn't vote

RESULT: Sally lynched - R.A.N.G.E.R
WOLF KILLED: LOTTIE

Okay these were the results of the last two days and people reasons for them - feel free to correct it, some people gave confusing reasons or none at all that I can see. Shasta and Boro mainly.

That leaves us with 1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, X number of Wolves, and X number of Ordos. I would like to think 2 Wolves and 2 Ordos also, that leaves us with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter (right?), and 2 Ordos in our side. While they have 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. If not it would be, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, and 1 Ordo, with them having 1 Hacker and 3 Wolves.

I haven't read anything since my last post... and nothing happened since my last post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, so what I'm seeing so far is G55 has come out as the Seer and Morsul the Hunter. At the very least, everyone has posted now since G55's reveal, so I'm going to believe it since no one has countered her claim. I'm tentatively believing Morsul's reveal as well. Since I know I'm innocent, that means there's two bots and one hacker in the following group -

BG
Boro
Legate
Kitanna

Hopefully G55 has dreamt of one or two of those names. With a 75% chance of hitting a baddie, though, I'm tentatively hopeful!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, if I sound confident that there are only two bots, it's because I am - besides the fact that the narrations pretty clearly only have lucyyenic and tomtom, if there were three bots they could have already won by now by voting with the Hacker.

[Kitanna]

My day went to crap very quickly in my last hour at work and my brain is very tired. I've set my alarm and will wake up before DL to read, comment, and vote.