WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[Nogrod]

Do I recollect it wrong, but didn't someone make the same point just a moment ago that if X then Lottie would look better?

No time to check or grandiously revise my opinions now, but let that be checked toMorrow...


EDIT: Referring to Encai's post two above this one here...

[Nogrod]

I was ready to lynch Mac yesterDay before Skip as the wagon looked so spurious (actually Eönwë's late joining was the deciding thing and didn't gain the attention it deserved - fault also on me in that, as I only just remembered it now).

Now I'm a bit torn that we have the same candidates as yesterDay up front... yesterDay I would have felt fine but now it seems many are also sticking to Zil as an easy vote as well.

Blah.

[Nogrod]

Cop – Eomer
Eomer – Inzil
Lottie – Inzil (2)
Nerwen - Mac
Rikae - Encai
Kitanna - Encai (2)
Wyth -> Zil (3)
Zil -> Mac (2)
Gil -> Mac (3)
Enca -> Zil (4)
Mac -> Inzil (5)
Greenie -> MAc (4)

[Boromir88]

If Kit's a lion I'll flay myself...

Just got super busy at work, but the short of it
1) she's been just vocal enough to appear helpful, but not so vocal as to draw too much attention
2) she seemed very chummy D1, especially with Eomer
3) her vote for Nogrod looked very safe to me

These are reasons a blind know-nothing (but well intentioned) person has to give...there's no other choice when you truly have no special knowledge. It's the same reasons Skip's vote, as much as I didn't agree with the read he got of Gil, looked innocent.

Lions have special knowledge, they can manipulate the lynch, use rivalries and houses against each other. There is far more scheming and reasons behind their voting (of course the best lions will hide their intentions well)...Point being, if Kit is a wolf, trying to get attention off of her mate Mac, she could have done a much better job than giving a flimsy reasoned vote to try to set up Enca as another choice.

I'm saying lions were fully involved in that Mac-Inzil showdown yesterday...

[Coppermirror]

I'm here; haven't read up on what's been going on toDay yet. Going to start by analysing Maclion on Days 1 and 2, then I'll look at toDay. I'll probably be here for the next 2 hours, the next 3 if things take longer than expected, and 4 if I'm an idiot who's going to stay up until 4AM.

[Thinlómien]

Mac and Lommy
Day1: ic banter. Lommy suspects Nerwen for piggybacking on Mac's point and throwing suspicion around. Mac thinks Lommy is a bit overeager to jump on Nerwen. Mac finds Lommy's ominous maths suspicious but think it would be bold for a wolf. Mac puts Lommy in the "no clue" category. Lommy is baffled by Mac being more chaotic than in previous games. When discussing potential vote candidates, Lommy doesn't find Mac particularly suspicious.
Day2: Mac considers Lommy's Day1 vote fishy. Lommy flip-flops on whether G55 was killed for looking like a seer, concludes that if yes, Mac and/or Volo are most likely behind it. Lommy files Mac under "no idea", think he's most likely an ordo or a lover. Lommy points out Mac omitted her from his suspicion list, he puts her in his unsure category. Lommy would prefer Inzil's lynch over Mac's, but has the feeling the Inzil-Mac war is not leading anywhere.
Conclusions: I have the feeling I might not be qualified to judge.

Mac and Boro
Day1: ic banter. Mac files Boro as "somewhat fishy".
Day2: Mac mentions the possibility of Boro being a seer-dreamed innocent. Mac considers Boro's Day1 vote fishy. Mac classifies Boro as fairly neutral.
Conclusions: Could be anything.

Mac and Inzil
Day1: mild suspicion against each other. Mac files Inzil as "somewhat fishy" and votes him (2nd vote).
Day2: Inzil says he would've voted Mac on Day1, had he seen his slip. Still he agrees with Rikae that killing Gal would've been risky for wolf-Mac. Mac considers Zil's Day1 vote fishy. Mac clarifes for Kit that he suspected Zil on Day1 because Zil was so quick to suspect him over something very minor. Zil understand Mac's vote on him better than Boro's. Mac keeps suspecting Inzil. Mac makes a case against Inzil. Mac lists Inzil as suspicious. Inzil refuses to make a case for his defense, saying he's justified his actions already. Inzil votes Mac, saying his role would shed light on others'.
Conclusions: Mac voted Inzil on both days. Inzil suspcted Mac on both days but only voted him on Day2. Some of the suspicion between them was bantery and wishy-washy ("we always suspect each other"), sometimes they brought up actual points against each other and were quite vehemently at each others' throats, which would be rather risky especially in a village with a bear. I think Inzil looks fairly good but we can't definitely exonerate him yet.

Mac and Encai
Day1: Mac discusses Encai's words on Inzil. He also considers her innocent.
Day2: Encai agrees with Mac about Wilwa's possible dreams. Mac considers Encai's Day1 vote neutral. Mac lists Encai as fairly neutral.
Conclusions: could be anything.

Mac and Eomer
Day1: Discuss the hunter together. Mac puts Eomer in the "no clue" category. Banter about the bear. Mac finishes the Day with feeling better about Eomer. Eomer points out that the "Mac-voters, G55 and Wyth, are also very curious..."
Day2: Mac considers Eomer's Day1 vote fishy. Eomer thinks Mac looks fairly innocent but says he's fine if the rest of the village wants to lynch him. Mac lists Eomer as suspicious.
Conclusions: A little fishy. Mac suddenly starting to suspect Eomer on Day2 after clearing him in the end of Day1 could either be a wolf in search of people to call guilty, or it could be a wolf seeing the possibility of getting lynched and trying to make a fellow look better by throwing suspicion at them. Also if Eomer and Mac were wolves together and Mac was in danger of lynching I could see Eomerwolf trying to get someone else lynched but underlining that he's ok with Mac getting lynched too. Then again he does it in such an in-your-face manner that he would be quite bold.

Mac and Kitanna
Day1: Mac mildly suspects Kit and files her as "somewhat fishy".
Day2: Mac mentions the possibility of Kit being a seer-dreamed innocent. Kitanna discusses the hunter discussion Mac took part in on Day1 but doesn't conclude whether he looks more guilty or not. Kitanna questions Mac's Day1 suspicions. Mac considers Kitanna's Day1 vote innocentish. Kitanna thinks Mac looks fairly innocent except for his relation to Wilwa. Kitanna thinks that the Mac-voters from Day1 bear having a look at, and considers Mac himself fairly innocent unless he's the bear. Mac lists Kitanna as fairly innocent.
Conclusions: this doesn't really make me any less suspicious of Kitanna. There's a lot of flip-flopping back and forth and casual suspicion that wouldn't materialize into votes on both sides.

Mac and Rikae
Day1: lots of bear discussion and banter. Mac considers Rikae innocent.
Day2: Rikae discusses Mac and Wilwa's interactions in the light of Wilwa getting bear-killed. Doesn't really reach a conclusion. Mac mentions the possibility of Rikae being a seer-dreamed innocent. Rikae talks with Inzil about killing Galadriel being risky for wolf-Mac. She's wary of Mac, but mostly because he looks like a potential lover. Mac considers Rikae's Day1 vote innocentish. Rikae maintains that Mac probably isn't a wolf who thought G55 the seer. Rikae and Mac keep talking about the Day1 role discussion. Rikae summarizes that she's unsure about Mac, options seem to be innocent and bear. Mac lists Rikae as fairly innocent.
Conclusions: Nothing too incriminating, except from past experience I'm a little baffled why isn't Rikae toDay all "you wretched Mac fooled me and were a wolf all along" but rather just amused that he turned out to be a wolf. It's almost like she's not very surprised, which she ought to be if she thought he's an ordo or a lover. As for Mac's behavior towards her, I can see a wolf-Mac having good reasons to consider both wolf-Rikae and innocent-Rikae innocent, so that doesn't give us much.

Mac and Lottie
Day1: Lottie considers Mac fairly innocent. Mac is not too concerned about her.
Day2: Mac considers Lottie's Day1 vote neutral. Lottie puts Mac and Inzil as her top suspects and suggests they're in cahoots. Mac defends himself to Lottie. Lottie decides to vote Zil instead of Mac but maintains they're probably wolves together. Mac lists Lottie as fairly neutral.
Conclusions: Okay, so Lottie picking Zil instead of Mac when she needs to make a decision is slightly fishy, but I wonder if as a wolf she would decide to commit like 90% of her energy on Day2 to suspecting her fellow and an unknown for being in cahoots. Seems a little unlikely, as I maintain that it's more likely the wolves would not try to cast too much suspicion on each other in a village with a bear.

Mac and Nog
Day1: Nog is very confused by Mac's fake hunter reveal. Mac puts Nog in the "no clue" category. Nog gives Mac his fourth vote, although he cross posts with Greenie who gives the third vote.
Day2: Mac considers Nog's Day1 vote neutral. Nog considers it possible that wolf-Mac wanted to kill seer-looking G55, but thinks Volo is more likely the culprit. Mac lists Nog as fairly neutral. Mac argues that Nog's vote on him doesn't look lion-on-lion. Nog is not thrilled about the vote options (including Mac), but ends up giving him his fifth vote, indicating he thinks Mac is more likely to be the bear than a wolf.
Conclusions: In theory, Nog looks fairly good for being an active part of a Macwagon on both Days. Then again, he does possibly try to get someone else than Mac lynched on Day2 before he gives up, and I honestly have no idea what on earth is Mac saying when he's stating that Nog and Greenie's votes on him don't look wolf-on-wolf. Also saying like 2min before the DL that Mac is probably the bear would be a nice touch from a fellow wolf. I'm undecided.

Mac and Eönwe
Day1: Mac notes Eönwë's absence. Eönwë disagrees with Mac about the hunter, and says that Mac (along with a bunch of other people) has said stuff he disagrees with so he'll have a look at him the next Day.
Day2: Mac considers Eönwë's Day1 vote neutral. Mac lists Eönwë as fairly neutral. Eönwë lists Mac as "worrying" without clarifying why. Eönwë gives Mac his 6th vote, cross-posting with Nogrod though. Implies he'd be happy to see either of Zil or Mac to go.
Conclusion: I think Eönwë looks fairly good because of his suspicion of Mac that doesn't look too wolf-on-wolfy, although of course I can't be sure about him either.

Mac and Greenie
Day1: Mac notes her absence. Greenie agrees with me that Mac is oddly chaotic and points out his famous "on your side" slip. Gives Mac his third vote.
Day2: Mac considers Greenie's Day1 vote innocentish. Greenie doesn't think G55's death incriminates Mac, but finds him suspicious nevertheless. Mac lists Greenie as fairly innocent. Mac argues that Greenie's vote on him doesn't look lion-on-lion. Greenie finds Mac the most suspicious in the village and notes him as one of her preferred vote candidates. Mac tries to explain his slip to Greenie. Greenie almost prefers lynching Kit to lynching Mac, but decides to vote Mac after all.
Conclusions: Greenie looks very good for pointing out Mac's slip that one else had noticed after hours had passed. If she's a wolf, she's one of the most heartless bussers I've yet seen (which would be possible but I'd wonder why did she deliberately choose the strategy on already Day1).

Mac and Copper
Day1: Mac is not too concerned about Cop
Day2: Cop discusses Mac's fake reveal without reaching a conclusion. Says Mac and Nerwen are unlikely to be wolves together. Later finds him mildly suspicious and more confusing, files him under "slightly fishy". Mac lists Cop as fairly neutral.
Conclusion: Could be anything.

Mac and Wyth
Day1: Mac is not too concerned about Wyth. Wyth gives Mac his second vote because he's one of the two that stand out to him the most.
Day2: Mac considers Wyth's Day1 vote fishy. Mac says that it's possible but unlikely that Wyth-wolf would have considered himself seer-dreamed by G55. Mac finds Wyth suspiciously defensive. Wyth replies by pointing out it's the first time ever he's been suspected. In his defense to Lottie, Mac keeps saying his suspicion of Wyth was justified. Mac lists Wyth as suspicious but won't vote for him yet. Wyth changes his mind and says Mac looks fairly good but mentions he could still be the bear.
Conclusions: I could see a wolf-Mac and a newbie-wolf-Wyth interacting in this way, especially with Mac finding Wyth suspicious but not vote-worthy and Wyth flip-flopping on Mac once it comes to voting. Then again, all this could be the interaction of a wolf and an innocent.

Mac and Gil
Day1: Mac considers Gil innocent.
Day2: Mac considers Gil's Day1 vote neutral. Mac lists Gil as fairly innocent. Gil slightly hesitantly gives Mac his 3rd vote with lack of better options.
Conclusions: Gil's vote yesterDay makes him look quite innocent to me. Since he didn't have any real suspicions, he could've gone with anyone but he decided to go with Mac.

Mac and Sally
Day1: Mac puts Sally in the "no clue" category and notes on her silence.
Day2: Mac considers Sally's Day1 vote neutral. Mac lists Sally as fairly neutral.
Conclusions: Could be anything.

Summa summarum
possible packmates: Boro, Encai, Eomer, Kitanna, Rikae, Nog, Copper, Wyth, Sally
unlikely packmates: Inzil, Lottie, Eönwë, Greenie, Gil

edit: xed with everyone, sheesh, this took ages!

[Coppermirror]

Possible votes.

Eomer:
In favour of voting him: General feel of his playing style in this game. Day 1 suspicion of Mac voters.
Mixed points: Suggests on Day 2 that Volo and Mac be looked at, but prefers Volo. Says Mac looks innocent, and leaves. Voted Inzil first on Day 2, might have been to take the heat off Mac.
Against voting him: Mac's Day 3 suspicion of him, bumping him up to his most suspected category, albeit in a lacklustre way. Could have been misdirection from Mac. His posts look slightly better toDay.

Lottie:
In favour of voting her: Positive about Mac on Day 1. At #238 and #235, it looks to me as if maybe she's trying to put suspicion on Inzil if Mac is guilty and none on Mac if Inzil is guilty.
Mixed points: Her Day 1 vote for Skip could easily have been opportunistic (or not). Second Inzil vote, might have been to take the heat off Mac.
Against voting her: Her reasoning at #245 and on Day 3 looks pretty good.

Lommy:
In favour of voting her: Her Day 2 Kitanna vote that couldn't really have led to a lynch - Boro's point at #355 that Lommy couldn't have voted Zil at that point due to statements she made earlier.
Mixed points: Day 1 panicking about double night kills while only wanting to focus on wolves.
#48 oddly bolded and italicised statement about vote conspiracies. Several times says she's confused by Mac and can't read him.
Against voting her: #360 Nog's point that she could easily have made a less controversial vote but didn't.

A lot of people have mentioned Kitanna, including people I'm tending to think are more likely innocent than not, and I'm not entirely following why. So I'm going to take a look at people's posts more closely.

If I don't see anything all that suspicious there, I think I may vote Lottie.

[Coppermirror]

Kitanna:
In favour of voting her:
Ah. Her Day #2 Enca vote that could have been an attempt to set up an alternative to a Mac (or Inzil) lynch. If somebody was trying to save him, it was most likely to be her.
Possible "no lions" Lionish slip about G55's posts.
Mixed points: Mac puts her on his Day 1 suspicious list, but says it's flimsy - good cover for her?
He continues to hedge at #131 about her and others.
Kit makes lots of mixed statements about Mac's guilt and non-guilt.
At #179 Mac might be trying to suggest one of Kit, Boro and Rikae was dreamed innocent.
Against voting her:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy had been talking about people rushing to defend Kit from left and right the whole game even if she hadn't been suspected heavily at all. Answering my query about who those would have been she gave a list which is as follows: Mac, Cop, Encai, Nog, Rikae.

Now Mac was a lion - but Kit tried to run for Encai I myself had been suspecting for other reasons. And Lommy was hoping to vote for Kit or Encai, not willing to vote Mac. Very interesting mess indeed!

This has caught my eye. I'm going to re-evaluate my suspicions.
Most suspicious: Kit and Lommy
Medium suspicion: Eomer and Lottie
(rest of list as before)

I'm going to vote for either Kit or Lommy, but I haven't decided which yet.

Edit: crossed since Lottie at #297

[Coppermirror]

++Kitanna

Edit: crossed since Nog at #406

[Thinlómien]

Err Sally and Kit??

[Coppermirror]

Wow, the currently active users list says 13. It's so strange to have that many players in the game. Interesting, but hard to keep track of everybody.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++BORO

He's up to something. I know this is "throwing my vote away" apparently but I'll hopefully get to look into it next day.

[Eönwë]

Looking at some interactions I've found suspicious.
{} = my own comments
{*} Added more of the original post for context than is actually quoted.

Day 1

Originally Posted by Macalaure

On second thought, I think Inzil looks quite innocent. I will ignore him for now.

{Mac's previous post for context.}

[Eönwë]

Zil's vote:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can't see anyone else who pings the radar as much, so it's

++skip

Mac deciding who to vote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

While I'm not feeling particularly well about Skip myself, I do not like that bandwaggon at all.

Of my "top suspects" only Inzil has gotten a vote, but I don't feel remotely confident enough about him either to try and get a bandwaggon for him on the rails. Voting for Kitanna or Boro would seem like a throwaway at this point, too, not that I feel strongly about them either.

I do not know who to vote for.

Mac's vote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I have to dash, so here's my vote real quick now.

++Inziladun

Don't lynch me, ok.

Thoughts: The constant flirting (for want of a better word) of the "Oh, I suspect you! Not really!" or "I always suspect you haha! Vote!" sort made me suspect they might actually be really bold lovers on Day 1. But the fact is, Zil is talking about how Mac's suspicious but he won't actually vote him because he's 'giving him a pass for the Day', and Mac is voting Zil but with no actual backing. (I mean, it is Day 1, but still...) And he waits until he sees Skip has a clear lead, and then votes for Zil. That seems suspicious to me, because he could just about claim that there was still time for a Zilwaggon (and that it wasn't really a throwaway vote, which he denounced), but he left it long enough that it was unlikely.

Now onto Day 2...

[satansaloser2005]

I am inclined to vote....

Lommy - My biggest warning light is for her comment on Dun vs. Mac (where she feels Dun would be a better choice but votes Kit after saying she's not keen on voting either of the lads), which to me seems like avoiding candidates for her own reasons, something that looks not great in light of the fact that we now know Mac was a wolf. My pet theory about that at the moment is that Lommy knew Dun to be an innocent, but suspected Kit might be gifted and tried to make a run at eliminating her instead. Also for the bad vibes I am getting from her posts toDay, particularly how she tells us to focus on Mac's wolfishness rather than the Night kill. Using a dead wolf's words against him is useful, certainly, but Night kills can also be telling, and I feel her push away from that is something to be concerned about.

Copper - Not going to lie, this is for entirely grudge-based reasons.

Prince Boro - He has been oddly quiet (though with this deadline I'm not entirely surprised), and what he has said seems oddly....cautious, perhaps? I'm not sure how to describe it, but I feel he's hiding something, and at this point I'm more inclined to think he is hiding guilt rather than innocence, partly for reasons I'm a bit too rushed to corroborate.

Rikae - This is based mostly on gut, but also because of her comment in this post where she says she thought Mac might have a special role. This of course leads me to believe her bear rather than wolf (as why would she say that as a wolf unless she were playing a very bold game and were willing to throw poor Mac under the bus in such a grotesque fashion, something I believe her capable of but simply don't think was necessary), but reducing the Night kills improves our chances against the wolves, so ridding ourselves of the werebear is still a priority.


I am inclined to trust....

Nog - Apart from his vote on Day 1, which makes me think him innocent-ish anyway, I honestly feel more quiet players would be dead by now if Nog were a wolf (or the werebear, for that matter), because reindeer irritate the man so.

Eomer - See that which was discussed earlier toDay, which I believe a wolf or an Eobear would have avoided.

Kit - Despite what others have claimed of her, I feel she would be more of a smooth criminal (I regret nothing) than she has played herself to be thus far. That could be a trap, of course, but that's where my mind currently stands. (Also see notes on Lommy above.)

Dun - I don't think Lommy would be sloppy enough to introduce another candidate if the two front runners were her packmates. Seriously, that's kind of it. If I am proven wrong about either Dun or Lommy, the other will almost certainly switch categories, but Lommy is my stronger feeling at present.


I am inclined to ignore....

Everyone else - Because there's simply not enough time to list everyone.



x'd to an insane level

[WythDryden]

I think I'm ready to put my vote in. After feeling pretty convinced about Mac being a lion, I managed to talk myself out of voting for him yesterDay, and it's fortunate that he got lynched in spite of that. I think when Nog posts:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

but also to avoid the situation where we need to mull over the same question toMorrow.

he makes a pretty good point.

++Kitanna

Edit: Wow, X'd since Boro #399

[Loslote]

++Kit

For the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post.

EDIT: xed since Wythy D

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Sally

Prince Boro - He has been oddly quiet (though with this deadline I'm not entirely surprised), and what he has said seems oddly....cautious, perhaps? I'm not sure how to describe it, but I feel he's hiding something, and at this point I'm more inclined to think he is hiding guilt rather than innocence, partly for reasons I'm a bit too rushed to corroborate.

Cautious? Not toDay at least, with his loud defense of Kitanna and attack against me.

Also, I agree that it's better to find out about

++Kitanna

(plus if I'm the other vote candidate, even more reason to go for her)


edit: xed with Kit and Lottie

[Boromir88]

Oh right...

*vanishes*

[Thinlómien]

Maybe the wolves killed Volo to baffle us. I can't think of a reason why they'd go for him, because at least to me Volo didn't give any gifted vibes, and almost as little bearish vibes. Maybe Nogrod has a point though and the wolves thought Volo was a bear/lover because of his pro-bear attitude?

Our best lead toDay, however, is definitely not Volo but Mac. I'm personally quite impressed by the fact that he managed to convince half of the village (yours truly included) that he's the werebear. Since he was a wolf, though, we have a nice bunch of data to analyze to see who might be his fellows. I'll get to that at some point today.

Why is Kitanna again trying to steer the discussion to the lovers' motivations instead of those of the wolves' by lengthily analyzing Nerwen? This combined with the fact that Mac was one of the ones to side with her yesterDay looks very fishy to me.

And Boro has reappeared? Good.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if there was someone who tried to save Mac (on top of Mac himself and now known innocent Volo), then that person is Encaitare. Her vote-placement looks pretty bad indeed.

Agreed. That combined with her non-committal posting doesn't really look too good to me.

Originally Posted by Boro

So she does the only thing she can do...try to argue Mac vs Inzil will lead us no where and we should drop it to look some place else.

Well I'm glad you guys didn't listen to me, because Mac vs Inzil did definitely lead somewhere. (I'm not entirely sure people should listen to me at all in this game, given that I managed to vote the seer on Day1. ) That said, I didn't honestly think Mac with his odd chaotic behavior would be a wolf, rather the werebear or an ordo, and lynching the werebear when all the wolves were still alive wasn't my choice number one. As I didn't find Inzil particularly suspicious either, what should I have done? When I voted, there were still quite a few people who hadn't voted yet, many of whom suspected for example Kitanna whom I found and still find very fishy. (And before we know her role, you can't say she would've been any worse a choice, unless you have more information than you should.)

Originally Posted by Boro

Point being, if Kit is a wolf, trying to get attention off of her mate Mac, she could have done a much better job than giving a flimsy reasoned vote to try to set up Enca as another choice.

Flimsy-reasoned? As far as I recall, quite many people were finding Enca suspicious, and she even got a couple of more votes.

Okay, so either Boro and Kit are lovers, or Borowolf is going a bit too far in latching onto Kit who he knows is innocent. This does not fit with my theory that Wilwa dreamt of innocent!Boro though. But seriously, I don't understand at all why Boro has suddenly decided to become Kitanna's knight in shining armour, again when really hasn't been that much suspicion against her. (Notable also that he attacks me, the person who has probably suspected Kitanna the most.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Mac’s almost perfunctory suspicion of Inzil, on Day 1, has been commented on. He also softly suspects Lommy early in Day 1, in #38.

(Volo comment in #43 about “sign language.” Ordo trying to get attention away from the gifted? Noble, and successful, if so.)

Onto Mac again:

#70: Kit, Lommy and Inzil all lined up as slightly suspicious.

#96 puts Lommy back a bit on the suspicion list. Inzil and Kit at top with Boro.

#114 is (now) an obvious lion post, as he’s ‘feeling better’ about Gala (known innocent) and Eomer (I know I’m innocent, so this is only striking to me). A chummy post designed to get us two onside, which may well have worked because I thought Mac was probably innocent right up until the lynch. Gala voted for him, though, and paid for it that night.

Votes for Inzil, who has been my top suspect for two days. Now I am really unsure about this. Inzil had 1 vote and Skip had 5. Still plenty votes still to come and it was conceivable the inn would have preferred to push Inzil ahead of Skip at that stage. Why didn’t he vote for Wilwa, who was suspicious for her identical vote (for Skip)? Had he backed himself into a corner by already talking about his lion-buddy earlier? Or is Zil simply innocent?

Greenie and Nogrod look particularly good for their late votes for Mac, although they’re obviously clever and experienced enough to be pulling the wool over my eyes. It’s a long shot, though, surely…

Mac analyses Day 1’s votes in #197. Lots to dig into here, and everyone should probably have a look at it.

#211 – this interaction plus Wyth’s vote for Mac make Wyth seem innocent. It doesn’t sound planned (obviously I could be wrong here).

#270 is where Mac really sets himself up against Inzil.

#274 is another big suspicion list. Interesting reading.

---------

Inzil's interaction with Mac does seem a bit planned to me, and I suspect Inzil anyway for independent reasons; however, simplest answer is surely that Inzil is probably no lion.



I'm gonna go ahead and say that Wyth, Nog and Green are not lions either.

[Rikae]

So, no vote from Boro yesterDay?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

Kitanna seems to try and ease pressure on Mac in a careful fashion while making a slip worthy of comparison with Mac's own slip...

It would be funny if we had a game where two lions gave themselves away with classical slips of tongue!

That's basically what I'm thinking - could it be that easy?

I'd love to do some analysis of voting, as well as take a closer look at Kitanna. Also, Boro is acting weird.

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Do I recollect it wrong, but didn't someone make the same point just a moment ago that if X then Lottie would look better?

No time to check or grandiously revise my opinions now, but let that be checked toMorrow...


EDIT: Referring to Encai's post two above this one here...

Could be, I'm not sure. I brought this up not because of Lottie, but because the use of the phrase "fellow lion" in Eonwe's post made me wonder if he was a Lion, and slipped. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but you never know.