WW CVII: Restless Nights in Sleepy Hollow - Game Thread

[Inziladun]

Man, bedtime again.

I'm reluctant to follow on the Greenie train right now, mainly due to Mac.

So I'll go with ++Nerwen

based on my last.

[Nerwen]

Zil's really weird toDay, isn’t he?

[Macalaure]

I don't know what to do with Inzil anymore. I'll look at him tomorrow.

Greenie is my best bet for tonight, so here we go:

++A Little Green

[Shastanis Althreduin]

There's something strange going on between Mac and Inzil, seemingly. If Agan was killed due to looking like the Seer (I can't find another reason for her to be killed so soon after causing Legate's death, anyway) then I tend to lean towards Mac. Plus he voted me yesterday, the cad!

++Macalaure

[Rikae]

I can't stay awake any longer, and I won't be up before DL, so I'll have to vote now.

For reasons previously given, plus the way he's been extra calm since I called him panicky. I know, that sounds terrible, but just look: I feel like he's tiptoeing around me, and I don't recall innocent!Inzil being one to tiptoe.

++Inziladun

[satansaloser2005]

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys, I'm really tired and I just want to sleep. It looks like we have four different people with votes. That can't be true, can it?

Doing a quick read through, voting, and then going to bed. Back soon.

[McCaber]

Man, I didn't miss a whole lot of discussion toDay, and what is here I can't decipher much from at all.

Voting is as follows -
wilwa: LG
Inzil: Nerwen
Mac: LG (2)
Shasta: Mac
Rikae: Inzil

Left to vote are sally, myself, LG, and Nerwen.

[satansaloser2005]

Mac is not allowed to be lynched because he coined the term Aganseer and I know how much Agan will love that. Also I don't find him on the top of my suspicion list (which is most of what I'm going to focus on at the moment because again, very sleepy).


I know this is a stretch, and I may regret bringing it up in the morning, but I want to call attention to this from Wilwa.

Originally Posted by Cuddle Muffin

Slight chance I'll be up early enough to come back, but more than likely I won't be on until Day 3, when I seriously hope to have the time to do more.

Specifying that she won't be back until the next Day seems....well, how would she know she'd be around on the next Day? More importantly, why specify that she'll be back on Day 3, rather than saying she'll be gone for a couple of days? Could she be alerting her pack to an absence this coming Night? She does note that she hopes to have the time to do more, which could be taken as either a desire to participate in discussion or a desire to communicate with her pack. Perhaps just straws, but it's a distinct ping for me at this point. I believe Wilwa would be bold enough to make such a comment, being unable to communicate with her pack any other way at this point, and the specificity of her wording seems tricksy to me.


Mac is also not allowed to be lynched because he said Legate band-tricycle. You are on point today, my friend!


Meanwhile, my Nerwen radar is saying....nothing, which is distinctly unsettling. In my experience, my Nerwen radar always gives off the exact opposite impression, which is to say that I suspect her when she's innocent (especially when she's gifted) and ignore her when she's evil. I'd forgotten she was playing until I came across one of her posts, and I'll also note that she's not done nearly as much saccharine banter with Shasta as I would expect (though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?). I don't feel comfortable voting her toDay based solely on this, but it's something I must keep an eye on.


Dun's reaction to toDay's attention makes me wonder what he might be. I feel an innocent Dun would laugh and shrug it off (though the commentary to the wolves at the start of the Day was amusing and seemed typical of him), but he's gone through a range of reactions as the Day has gone on, from panic to straight face to the following comment.

Originally Posted by Dun Dun Dun

Hmm. There's still a distinct lack of activity from some, which is problematic.

Given Wilwa's quoted comment above (which comes not long before Dun's above post) I almost feel like this is some sort of sign of recognition, perhaps even disapproval, toward a semi-absent packmate. I know I'm connecting two "if then" dots, but between Dun's actions toDay and Wilwa's possibly pointed comment, I don't feel like the dots are too far apart.


Currently that makes my top options Wilwa and Dun. I feel Dun is the popular choice toDay, but I'll give it a quick think as I ready for bed and make my decision upon my return.



x'd with the McCobbler (I've missed you, by the way!)

[satansaloser2005]

++Dun to be done

I find his comments and shifting attitudes toDay too bizarre to ignore. Besides, I'm extra paranoid about him from our last game.

I'm out for the night. Sleep well, my loves.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

x'd with the McCobbler (I've missed you, by the way!)

I know, it's been a while. Good to finally be back.

Although your point on wilwa here really seems like a stretch to me. Especially when trying to connect it to Inzil like you've done. Not really a fan.

Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.

Of the people who have votes already, I most suspect Mac. I really don't like his post here, because it looks like trying to sow discontent with nothing much to go on.

[Rikae]

Nerwen -
The "Jonathan" quote was apparently from a game where she was a wolf - would a wolf make such a risky joke? I think a Nerwolf would.
A wishy-washy post about Inzil-Mac-Mc. "Might be possible fellows" but "it seems like cub-tactics".
Immediately on Day 2, exclaims "What the heck is going on in this village?", and then explains.
This looks very innocent: a little too innocent. It also is a good way of framing the discussion (if she's a wolf, she may be giving the real reason, and then immediately offering an alternative in order to keep Inzil as a possible suspect).
Analyzes Aganzir at length. In retrospect, lots of text but not much light shed on anything: same conclusions as her previous post and also mentions that Agan could have looked like the wildcard.
Calls Zil "really weird today".
Analyzes Legate. Concludes that Greenie is suspicious.
Doesn't really want to vote for Inzil. Mac and Greenie's reactions to the night kill were suspicious.
An Inzil-lynch was possible, and I could see why a wolf-Nerwen wouldn't want to be in the wagon. Funny, she's the one who started talk about a bluff, too.
Votes for Mac. Can't really conclude anything from that, it was truly pointless.
Day 3 - analyzes McCaber. Concludes Inzil is an ordo, and also possibly Greenie, Sally, Wilwa.

Sally -
"Who do I have to kill this time? "
Looks like any way you slice it, we have a wolf making a wolfy comment in her first post (if I'm right about Greenie and Inzil).
Lots and lots and lots of banter. That's Sally, though.
Day 1 vote for Inzil:
"This might sound silly, but I think he's being louder than he would be as an ordo. His behavior regarding the McPlayers is also a bit unsettling, as has been pointed out, but I am more caught by his volume at this point; I feel an ordo Dun would have been less involved in toDay's discussions (if you can call them discussions). Alas, that's the best hunch I have."
This seems reasonable enough.
"Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer"
Wait, what? Sally, were you saying Agan was pretending to be a seer who was pretending not to have dreamt of an Inzil-wolf?
Because if so, that's the most bizarre werewolf-theory I've ever heard, and I've heard some weird stuff.

Suspicious of Wilwa for mentioning she'd be back on Day 3, sees it as a possible hint to her pack. Kind of far-fetched. Wolf-on-wolf?
Argues that Inzil could be Wilwa's packmate because he's complaining about lack of participation? That's even more far-fetched. Votes him, though, for his "comments and shifting attitudes toDay".
I don't know how I feel about this. Obviously, I found him suspicious myself yesterDay, but this connection she's trying to make between him and Wilwa is really out there.


Shasta -
Weird comment about Greenie's comment about me. At first I thought he suspected her, but apparently he meant to cast suspicion on me. This "Nah, it's probably nothing. " business is a little creepy. I kind of have the feeling he's trying to use his reputation as an excuse to raise suspicions without committing himself.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

There's something strange going on between Mac and Inzil, seemingly. If Agan was killed due to looking like the Seer (I can't find another reason for her to be killed so soon after causing Legate's death, anyway) then I tend to lean towards Mac. Plus he voted me yesterday, the cad!

++Macalaure

Uh... nope, I don't understand the reasoning behind this vote at all. Can you explain, Shasta?

Wilwa -
Day 1, absent.
Day 2 - says the Agan kill makes Inzil look innocent and she doesn't think a bluff is likely, but then says it could have been random and she won't decide Inzil's innocence based on it.
Semi-fishy.
Votes for Greenie by process of elimination. There is no real explanation for anything in this post, as far as I can see.

So for these four, Nerwen and Shasta seem the most wolfish, but I really can't say Wilwa and Sally seem squeaky clean either. I can't be 100% sure about Greenie, but the chance she was a seer dream means I won't risk voting for her toDay. Inzil I'll assume is innocent.

[A Little Green]

It's outrageously late here so I'm heading to bed, I'll post (and think) properly in the morning. For now, a quick thought -

I assume that the wolves aren't keen on bussing each other toDay since they win if we lynch an innocent. If that is true, then we can also assume that Nerwen and Shasta aren't packmates, and that Rikae isn't packmates with either of them (unless they're planning to pull off an epic Legate-180 later on). I'm not sure how much this helps, but anyway.

Other than that - I'm a bit worried about how carefully non-committal Wilwa's post toDay is. It wouldn't have alarmed me in a normal situation, but on a Day when we lose if we lynch an innocent, the wolves would have good reason to be extra flexible in who they vote for. It looks like she's trying to keep all ends open and not voice an opinion before something definite happens, exactly what a wolf might want to do on a Day like this.

Finally, a question for Nerwen: why Shasta? You might have mentioned it somewhere, but if so I missed it.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Other than that - I'm a bit worried about how carefully non-committal Wilwa's post toDay is. It wouldn't have alarmed me in a normal situation, but on a Day when we lose if we lynch an innocent, the wolves would have good reason to be extra flexible in who they vote for. It looks like she's trying to keep all ends open and not voice an opinion before something definite happens, exactly what a wolf might want to do on a Day like this.

My post had that kind of tone because I intended for it to be the first of many contributions today, not my sole contribution, but once again my stupid real life has gotten in the way of my pretend life (I was offered a job interview tomorrow that I had to make very last minute travel plans for, my day has been insane).

The one good thing about RL stuff is I will be up very early now in the morning and can therefore wait to vote and be around for DL. Though we don't want to all make last minute votes either, the wolves will likely be making every attempt to vote as late as possible so they can have control over the outcome. My best suggestion is that we shouldn't spread the votes out too much, try to reach some consensus before voting so the 4 Ordos can maintain some semblance of control by trying their best to all vote the same way. I'm aware that it's not necessarily possible to accomplish this, but we should do our best.

Perhaps since we all have seemed to agree that Inzil is very likely innocent we let him vote first and then the other 3 Ordos agree to vote the same way no matter what? The wolves will then either jump on board or vote elsewhere. If we get an innocent than yes we lose, but if we hit a wolf we might actually have an idea of who else to look at tomorrow based on who didn't want to go along with the plan?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

It's outrageously late here so I'm heading to bed, I'll post (and think) properly in the morning. For now, a quick thought -

I assume that the wolves aren't keen on bussing each other toDay since they win if we lynch an innocent.

True, but I would expect at least some token wolf-on-wolfing toDay- you know, just in case the lynch miscarried.

A thought: if indeed neither you nor Zil are wolves, then no wolf has been in real peril yet.

Finally, a question for Nerwen: why Shasta? You might have mentioned it somewhere, but if so I missed it.

It's basically just a joke based on the "psychic wolf" thing. In truth Shasta had done so little up to that point that I had no idea about him. Now he's suddenly surfaced on this crucial Day- which could point either way, really.

I don't have time for more now, but will look at people later.
Edit: x'd with Wilwa.

[Nerwen]

Legate

I am also giving other’s responses to, and opinions of, our late Ranger, leaving out Agan. Posts may not be cited in full.

Legate #24
Banter. Says that if he had to guess on the basis of "tone and gut-feeling”, his pick would be McCaber as "the only ones giving any awkward vibes on first read” and “okay, maybe possibly Mac.” Stresses that these are just first impressions. Edits this post to note that it crossed with Zil #23 (a seemingly non-serious accusation of Mac and McCaber), saying, "Notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling.”
Comments: As we will see, this post is largely what got him lynched.

Zil #26 (replying to Legate #24)
"It's a conspiracy, I tells ya. Or, more likely, a coincidence based on the fact that so few have posted toDay.’

Legate #27 (replying to Zil #25)

Originally Posted by Legate

I didn't even think about it as wolf-on-wolf, but McCab especially (and Mac a bit) was basically really the only person sounding to me somehow fake, or how to say it. But that's really the only thing. But noticing such interactions is good, if for future reference, or whatever, we shall see...

Rikae #28
Askes why Cab is suspicious, or whether it’s just banter. (This post x’d with the previous.)

Zil #31
Says Legate "doesn't have any furry vibe at the moment”.

Rikae #35
Says Legate “sounds legit”.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac

Mac #36

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Only Legate and Rikae are really trying to be helpful, which is nice, and even though it doesn't actually tell us anything about their alignment, I'd be willing to reward it by not voting for them.

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)

McCaber #49 (Vote-post)

Originally Posted by McCaber

I'm not sure I agree with lynching the silent ones Day 1. In my experience, the people with something to play for are the ones who tend to show up early, while the lurkers tend to be ordinary innocents.

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)
McCaber —> Legate

Greenie #50
Comments on Legate's edit to #24:

Originally Posted by Greenie

This looks - a bit panicky? Or not panicky, but he does seem to overreact a little. Possibly just innocent Legate phrasing oddly, but I also see a possibility of wolf-Legate getting worried that his harmless suspicion would lead to actual consequences. Maybe wolf-on-wolf he had thought risk-free this early and then freaked out when somebody else even jokingly suspected the same, or else just plain old not wanting to be associated with what might turn out to be a bandwagon against an innocent. Even if it was wolf-on-wolf, though, I find it unlikely that both Cab and Mac are wolves, that would be too bold for Legate, but if it's only one of them, why was Legate so concerned about Inzil suspecting "the same two people"? Gah. Too much speculation! I think there's something off in here, I'm just not sure what.

Comments: that last is something I’ve seen (and used) before as a wolf-tactic– drawing attention to a tussle between multiple players as “suspicious” in a noncommittal, non-specific way, thus leaving one’s options open. That said, “something off in here, not sure what” was pretty much my own reaction to the whole thing at that.

Legate #52
Sally's reasoning for her vote “seems innocentish”; is “uncertain” about Rikae's, as the grounds she gave seem thin. Comments on McCaber #34

Originally Posted by Legate

This has more or less the same vibe I got earlier from McCab, which could be this sort of wishy-washy "I am pointing at someone, but never mind me, I didn't actually say anything". Of course it has reasons behind it, but . The question is also whether voting for me after that is a sign of independant mind or further dodge: a Wolf mentions person X as suspicious and then votes person Y, because he doesn't want to be associated with the lynching of person X. Cab is still in my orange zone, essentially.

On Mac #36

I hope this is not the classical case of a Wolf "buddying up" or talking nicely to other people in order to get on their good side. Villainy wears many masks, none of which so dangerous as virtue. Also, I have hard time remembering whether Mac has always been so cheerful as he seems from all his posts, or whether it is a result of his merry Nightly frolicking.

(This post x’d with Greenie's entrance.)

Greenie #55
Replaying to Legate #52:

Originally Posted by Greenie

I don't really know what "vibe" you talk about, that quote gave me no vibes whatsoever. Interesting point about Cab's vote, though, even if I don't really think it was a wolfish vote. I mean, look at the reason he gives:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cab
So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.
I don't really see Cabwolf openly declaring he votes for someone solely because they suspected him - not even on a Day 1 with little to go on. If he was a wolf, I'm sure he could have invented another reason for voting Legate. Gut-feeling or something.

Legate #56
Replies to Greenie; makes list:

Originally Posted by Legate

True; well, he says "unnecessarily and prematurely", which is a sort of accusation (in fact, a kind of veiled one again, could be again more or less in the same style as his earlier posts). But yes, you have a point.

Anyway, as for some general evaluation, from my part at this time:

On the innocentish side:

sally
Zil

Leaning no particular way:

Nerwen
Greenie

Yellow zone:
Rikae - but simply because I would like to hear about the vote, otherwise nothing bad
Mac?

Orange zone:
McCaber

Absent:
Shasta
Wilwa
Aganzir (technically, hasn't posted yet)

So my strongest pick would in most ways be McCaber, even though I would definitely like to see more from him, too, but guess we can't have everything. Taking into account also Greenie's point; the question is however whether a Cabwolf would simply not invent a case for voting me because he simply wants to make it a throwaway vote, after messing around with other people earlier, and simply wishing to stay out of sight or whatever. Still around and pondering, though.

Greenie #58
Suspicion-list. On Legate
"His jumpy reaction to Inzil "suspecting" the same people was a bit fishy, and I think he's grasping at straws with his suspicion of Cab. It's also interesting that while he was all the time more after Cab than Mac, he dropped Mac altogether after Inzil voted for him. Eyebrow-raising.”

(The next few posts are all from Agan, and have been treated separately by me in an earlier post.)

Greenie #62 (Vote-post)
Replying to Agan #59 (where she disputes Legate's edit to #24 being “panicky”):

Originally Posted by Greenie

I see what you mean. But I also think the way he phrased his surprise (notwithstanding joking, to name the same two people is somewhat... unsettling) seemed like he was more disturbed than surprised. Like I said, I might be reading things into an innocent Legate phrasing things oddly, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.

That said -

++ Legate

(This is followed by Agan's vote on Legate.)

Tally
Inzil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil
Rikae —> Zil(2)
McCaber —> Legate
Greenie —> Legate
Agan —> Legate

Legate #67
Replying to Greenie’s vote-post.

Originally Posted by Legate

Very interesting, LG. I'm really wondering about your reasoning there, because didn't you effectively disqualify that being disturbing yourself? As in, okay, let's say that what I said is odd, but what does it effectively mean? What would I accomplish by saying it if I were a baddie? More so if it seemed like I was disturbed? In your train of thoughts, the only thing that could point it to would be that one of the guys in question (or both) would be fellow Wolves and I am panicking - so why would I bring more attention to it all? Very, very odd reasoning you have, indeed.

Legate #71 (Vote-post)

Originally Posted by Legate

And what the??? And can I even save myself anymore???

Well, of course I have to

++Zil

But seriously?????

Legate #72.
Realises he can’t save himself; is generally furious.

Legate #73.

I can assure you, it WON'T look hilarious to the village.

First person to get the votes is lynched, ergo me.

For that matter, I believe Agan innocent and I don't know about Greenie now. (50/50 I'd say. And it isn't just because of the vote.)

Final posts are dialogue with Agan (known ordo) and a a final “don’t do this again” admonishment to the village.

Comments; So yes, that was weird, even for a Day One lynch. The reasons given for voting him were
1. Retaliation for being suspected at #24. (McCaber.)
2. “Panicky” edit to #24. (Greenie.)
3. Saving Zil (Agan.)

Of the three, Agan is dead and a known innocent and McCaber posted very little. Greenie, though, is noteworthy for the way she keeps coming back to #24, and apparently somehow finding it more suspicious with each iteration. An obvious inference would be that Greenie is packmates with Mac or McCaber (whom she defends, especially the latter) or else with Zil (who was actually in danger). That, however, would make the Night-kill of Aganzir, the other Legate-voter, an odd choice.

Note: I started this some hours ago and had to go out just before finishing, so though I am aware of later posts I haven’t read them properly and they are not taken into account here.

EDIT: typo.

[Nerwen]

Tally

Wilwa —> Greenie
Inzil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie
Shasta —> Mac
Rikae —> Inzil
Sally —> Inzil

Which means that Greenie is leading, based on this game’s tiebreaker rule.

EDIT: x’d with McCaber

[Nerwen]

Now Zil… I really don’t think I want to vote him toDay, since though there are other possibilities, which I have covered, the Night-kill does seem like a distinct point in his favour.

This is a pity, as frankly he hasn’t been acting all that innocently toDay!

Then we have Mac and Greenie, both of whom have had, essentially, the same interesting reaction to the Night-kill:

#100

Originally Posted by Mac

Why Aganzir? Her mistake-vote made her look very innocent, I think. Wolves don't panic like that when voting one innocent over the other. Maybe some people were going to suspect her, but I doubt it. There was no way she was going to be the seer either, though I keep reading about that. If Aganseer had dreamt of Legate, her mess-up would have been incredible, and if she dreamt of an ordo-Inzil, she would have been more subtle about saving him. For a seer, it's better to have a known-to-you innocent die than to risk your own life by sticking out like that.
I don't see how her death makes Inzil look neither better nor worse, to be honest.

#106

Originally Posted by Greenie

Well, if the wolves thought Agan was the Seer and had dreamed Inzil, they either consider her completely dishonourable or didn't read the thread very carefully. Agan only found out the game had started two hours before deadline yesterDay, so unless she lied about that, there's no way she could have dreamed anybody. Mind you, they might still have thought she was the Seer on some other grounds, but as to what those might be, I've no idea. Or else they just figured that her voting mistake would make her look very innocent and decided to be rid of her for that reason? Then again, targeting anyone but a potential Seer doesn't really make sense at this stage so I don't know.

”Hey! Do you villagers think we’re stupid? That’s not why we killed her at all!"

I mean: maybe. Obviously, not everyone is going to interpret things the same way. But I have seen wolves give a similar, “Huh? What are you talking about?” response to Night-kill theories.

Still, they’re both doing it, and meanwhile Mac has voted Greenie in what would be a rather unnecessarily risky bit of wolf-on-wolfing at this stage.